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yobarman

Lifer
Jan 11, 2001
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i dont think cholestrol is a problem for most healthy people. a lot of my weightlifting friends eat a lot of eggs and they are very active.

it's your a dormant fat turd putting down 3-4 eggs a day then it would bea problem.

of course that's just my opinion, and im probably wrong
 

PG

Diamond Member
Oct 25, 1999
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So what do you anti-egg people think we should eat every morning?
Cereals that are nothing but dolled up processed white flour and white sugar?
Obesity keeps going up and up and the ignorant masses think real foods like meat and eggs are the problem even though we eat less of them than our parents and grandparents did.

 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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I can eat tons and tons of cholestrol, and my blood cholestrol level wont even blip.

 

Spac3d

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Originally posted by: PG
So what do you anti-egg people think we should eat every morning?
Cereals that are nothing but dolled up processed white flour and white sugar?
Obesity keeps going up and up and the ignorant masses think real foods like meat and eggs are the problem even though we eat less of them than our parents and grandparents did.
Fruit, juice, milk, yogurt. That type of stuff.

 

dullard

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May 21, 2001
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Your body produces a ton of cholesterol - you eat some too. So simply eating a bit less won't affect your overall levels very much since your body still will produce your own. Similarly, eating a bit more won't raise your levels very much. But everything should be done in moderation - of course if you only eat pure cholesterol it will dramatically raise your overall levels. You don't want to overdo any one food. Eggs (just like all foods) have lots of benefits and some drawbacks - but in moderation, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

Plus you can learn a lot about cholesterol from the TV drug ads. They all say they lower cholesterol significantly, yet they also state in fine print that the lowered cholesterol has no effect on heart attacks. So if high cholesterol caused heart attacks, wouldn't that be inconsistent? Doctors and researchers should look at that and immediately know that the conventional theory has something wrong. I will now submit my opinion (note this isn't proven fact, but it does match the evidence): Cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks, but rather there is a cause of heart attacks that simulataneously causes high cholesterol. People just saw a correlation between heart attacks and cholesterol and assumed that cholesterol caused them.

How about a silly example. Suppose everytime I got angry I punched one of my friends in the face and I broke a window. After years of research, doctors determine that whenever there is a high number of broken windows, there are a high number of people coming into the hospital with broken noses. Thus broken windows causes broken noses! No, they are correlated, but one doesn't cause the other.
 

yobarman

Lifer
Jan 11, 2001
11,642
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Originally posted by: PG
So what do you anti-egg people think we should eat every morning?
Cereals that are nothing but dolled up processed white flour and white sugar?
Obesity keeps going up and up and the ignorant masses think real foods like meat and eggs are the problem even though we eat less of them than our parents and grandparents did.

the healthiest breakfast is 100% whole natural oatmeal. No sugar no additives. If you're serious about eating healthy then suck it up and eat plain oatmeal.

the cereal on the market on this day is so full of sugar its not even funny.
 

GasX

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: brtspears2
If I just eat the whites, thats like wasting half the egg. Im not going believe a quote from an egg producer website, it just seems too corrupt to be true.
it's true

 

Analog

Lifer
Jan 7, 2002
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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
QUESTION:
But what about the cholesterol in eggs, is that okay as far as healthy eating goes?

ANSWER
It's a well-known fact that eggs contain cholesterol. However, dietary cholesterol has very little impact on blood cholesterol levels in most healthy individuals. Recent research findings clearly indicate that when eggs are consumed as part of a low fat eating pattern, they are unlikely to alter blood lipid levels (1,2).

Eliminating cholesterol-rich foods from the diet could limit the availability of other important nutrients. If you are worried about your heart health risk, it is much more important for you to cut back on your total fat intake than to worry about a single food that contains cholesterol, like eggs.

If you are at risk for heart disease, have had a heart attack or have high blood cholesterol levels it is important for you to cut back on your total intake of fat, especially saturated fat, and trans fat and to follow the diet that has been prescribed by your doctor or dietitian.


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SnapIT

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Jul 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: brtspears2
If I just eat the whites, thats like wasting half the egg. Im not going believe a quote from an egg producer website, it just seems too corrupt to be true.

It's true though, egg yolks are very high in cholesterol...

100g of egg yolks brings a whopping 33g of fat (saturated fat) while the white provide 0,0g of fat...

It's more expensive, but a better solution would be to eat one yolk with every six whites, you do need saturated fats for hormone production...

Then you substitute the saturated fat from the other five eggs with 9 grams of Omega 3 (or your favorite EFA oil, in the amount needed)...

It's an expensive solution, but it's a good one...

The yolk is still higher than the white in protein and has a better protein profile (both are complete proteins that contain all eight essential amino acids, but the yolks profile is still better), if i only had the equipment to hydrolyze it (don't think it CAN be hydrolyzed even, if it could be someone would have done it as it would be better than hydrolyzed whey)...

 

Whisper

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Feb 25, 2000
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Reasons for most people being overweight today:

1) Fast-food and its subsequent supersizing of ALL portions in ALL types of restaraunts (i.e. we eat larger portions than the generations before us, even if they did eat more meat and such)

2) Sedentary lifestyles

3) Increase in sugar intake

4) Sedentary lifestyles

5) Increased stress and inability to cope

6) Sedentary lifestyles

There you have it, the secrets to America's obesity problem.
 

SnapIT

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Jul 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: yobarman
Originally posted by: PG
So what do you anti-egg people think we should eat every morning?
Cereals that are nothing but dolled up processed white flour and white sugar?
Obesity keeps going up and up and the ignorant masses think real foods like meat and eggs are the problem even though we eat less of them than our parents and grandparents did.

the healthiest breakfast is 100% whole natural oatmeal. No sugar no additives. If you're serious about eating healthy then suck it up and eat plain oatmeal.

the cereal on the market on this day is so full of sugar its not even funny.

No it isn't, the best breakfast is a balanced breakfast containing both carbs and protein (don't worry about fast carbs like sugar in the morning, your body is screaming for the energy)...

Cereals and eggs would be a better choice than oatmeal as it would be a complete meal... carbs are just energy...
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Whisper
Reasons for most people being overweight today:

1) Fast-food and its subsequent supersizing of ALL portions in ALL types of restaraunts (i.e. we eat larger portions than the generations before us, even if they did eat more meat and such)

2) Sedentary lifestyles

3) Increase in sugar intake

4) Sedentary lifestyles

5) Increased stress and inability to cope

6) Sedentary lifestyles

There you have it, the secrets to America's obesity problem.

I don't think #s 1 or 3 would be any problem at all if it weren't for #s 2, 4 and 6.
 

SnapIT

Banned
Jul 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Whisper
Reasons for most people being overweight today:

1) Fast-food and its subsequent supersizing of ALL portions in ALL types of restaraunts (i.e. we eat larger portions than the generations before us, even if they did eat more meat and such)

2) Sedentary lifestyles

3) Increase in sugar intake

4) Sedentary lifestyles

5) Increased stress and inability to cope

6) Sedentary lifestyles

There you have it, the secrets to America's obesity problem.

The biggest problem isn't the size of the portions but the actual food, it's so refined that it is ridiculous... We were not meant to eat white bread with butter and a slice of high fat cheese or salami...

That and the lack of excersise is the biggest problems...

We weren't made to sit still all day long, eating fried potatoes and ground beef in white bread with sauces high in saturated fats...
 

SnapIT

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Jul 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Whisper
Reasons for most people being overweight today:

1) Fast-food and its subsequent supersizing of ALL portions in ALL types of restaraunts (i.e. we eat larger portions than the generations before us, even if they did eat more meat and such)

2) Sedentary lifestyles

3) Increase in sugar intake

4) Sedentary lifestyles

5) Increased stress and inability to cope

6) Sedentary lifestyles

There you have it, the secrets to America's obesity problem.

I don't think #s 1 or 3 would be any problem at all if it weren't for #s 2, 4 and 6.

It's well known that simple carbs and saturated fats decrease insulin sensitivity, you cannot cure that by excersising, you need both the right diet and the excersise to be healthy and feel good...

Oh, and #5 can be reduced by excersising...
 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
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Originally posted by: yobarman
i dont think cholestrol is a problem for most healthy people. a lot of my weightlifting friends eat a lot of eggs and they are very active.

it's your a dormant fat turd putting down 3-4 eggs a day then it would bea problem.

of course that's just my opinion, and im probably wrong


Agreed.

On my low-carb diet I eat 5 eggs, three strips of bacon, and a bowl of pure oatmeal every breakfast, six days a week. I also ususally have several slices of melon or strawberries. Without this breakfast, my workouts later in the day suck ass.

 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: SnapIT


The biggest problem isn't the size of the portions but the actual food, it's so refined that it is ridiculous... We were not meant to eat white bread with butter and a slice of high fat cheese or salami...

That and the lack of excersise is the biggest problems...

We weren't made to sit still all day long, eating fried potatoes and ground beef in white bread with sauces high in saturated fats...

I grew up on white bread, cheese, salami and burgers. I had extremely low fat levels until I started sitting on my ass all day. And that was easily cured by exercising. I eat more whole wheat breads now, but I'll still favor a cheese burger (or three) on a white bun, thank you very much
 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
11,169
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Originally posted by: yobarman
Originally posted by: PG
So what do you anti-egg people think we should eat every morning?
Cereals that are nothing but dolled up processed white flour and white sugar?
Obesity keeps going up and up and the ignorant masses think real foods like meat and eggs are the problem even though we eat less of them than our parents and grandparents did.

the healthiest breakfast is 100% whole natural oatmeal. No sugar no additives. If you're serious about eating healthy then suck it up and eat plain oatmeal.

the cereal on the market on this day is so full of sugar its not even funny.

Coming from someone posting a T-net link in their sig, I'm very, very disappointed. You are hereby stripped of the right to call yourself a T-Man How could you advocate no protein for breakfast?
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Whisper
Reasons for most people being overweight today:

1) Fast-food and its subsequent supersizing of ALL portions in ALL types of restaraunts (i.e. we eat larger portions than the generations before us, even if they did eat more meat and such)

2) Sedentary lifestyles

3) Increase in sugar intake

4) Sedentary lifestyles

5) Increased stress and inability to cope

6) Sedentary lifestyles

There you have it, the secrets to America's obesity problem.

I don't think #s 1 or 3 would be any problem at all if it weren't for #s 2, 4 and 6.

It's well known that simple carbs and saturated fats decrease insulin sensitivity, you cannot cure that by excersising, you need both the right diet and the excersise to be healthy and feel good...

Oh, and #5 can be reduced by excersising...

You know, people say that all the time. But it flies in the face of my own personal experience. As long as I exercise four days a week, I can shovel anything into my mouth I damn well please, and I wont gain fat. In fact, I have to force feed myself just to gain muscle mass if I'm doing any cardio at all.

The only thing high sugar foods cause me is a burnout when my sugar levels dip later.

BTW, I drink pure sugar while working out (poweraide). Are you telling me this is bad?
 

SnapIT

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Jul 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: yobarman
i dont think cholestrol is a problem for most healthy people. a lot of my weightlifting friends eat a lot of eggs and they are very active.

it's your a dormant fat turd putting down 3-4 eggs a day then it would bea problem.

of course that's just my opinion, and im probably wrong


Agreed.

On my low-carb diet I eat 5 eggs, three strips of bacon, and a bowl of pure oatmeal every breakfast, six days a week. I also ususally have several slices of melon or strawberries. Without this breakfast, my workouts later in the day suck ass.


If i were you i would try to decrease my saturated fat intake as it will reduce the insulin sensitivity, that is, it will make it harder for insulin to push protein into your muscle cells... Some saturated fats are needed, but looking at your breakfast i see NOTHING but saturated fats, not one gram of EFA's...

EFA's can increase insulin sensitivity...

Of course, not everyone is as extreme about their diets and training as i am, just sharing what i know...
 

zbalat

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Oct 9, 1999
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Sedentary lifestyles
BINGO!

If you stay active you really don't have to worry to much about what you eat as long as it is somewhat healthy.

Enjoy the unhealthy things in life in moderation and get off your ass and do something physical for 45 minutes a day.
 

beer

Lifer
Jun 27, 2000
11,169
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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: yobarman
i dont think cholestrol is a problem for most healthy people. a lot of my weightlifting friends eat a lot of eggs and they are very active.

it's your a dormant fat turd putting down 3-4 eggs a day then it would bea problem.

of course that's just my opinion, and im probably wrong


Agreed.

On my low-carb diet I eat 5 eggs, three strips of bacon, and a bowl of pure oatmeal every breakfast, six days a week. I also ususally have several slices of melon or strawberries. Without this breakfast, my workouts later in the day suck ass.


If i were you i would try to decrease my saturated fat intake as it will reduce the insulin sensitivity, that is, it will make it harder for insulin to push protein into your muscle cells... Some saturated fats are needed, but looking at your breakfast i see NOTHING but saturated fats, not one gram of EFA's...

EFA's can increase insulin sensitivity...

Of course, not everyone is as extreme about their diets and training as i am, just sharing what i know...


I have a powerlifting meet in 3 weeks and I'm still 5 lbs under max weight. If I don't qualify for collegiate nationals I'm going to be pissed. I need every single calorie I can get....once I leave to go home for summer, then I start the bodybuilding-style training, rather than sets of three like I've been doing the past week or so

 

dethman

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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Originally posted by: dullard
Your body produces a ton of cholesterol - you eat some too. So simply eating a bit less won't affect your overall levels very much since your body still will produce your own. Similarly, eating a bit more won't raise your levels very much. But everything should be done in moderation - of course if you only eat pure cholesterol it will dramatically raise your overall levels. You don't want to overdo any one food. Eggs (just like all foods) have lots of benefits and some drawbacks - but in moderation, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

Plus you can learn a lot about cholesterol from the TV drug ads. They all say they lower cholesterol significantly, yet they also state in fine print that the lowered cholesterol has no effect on heart attacks. So if high cholesterol caused heart attacks, wouldn't that be inconsistent? Doctors and researchers should look at that and immediately know that the conventional theory has something wrong. I will now submit my opinion (note this isn't proven fact, but it does match the evidence): Cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks, but rather there is a cause of heart attacks that simulataneously causes high cholesterol. People just saw a correlation between heart attacks and cholesterol and assumed that cholesterol caused them.

How about a silly example. Suppose everytime I got angry I punched one of my friends in the face and I broke a window. After years of research, doctors determine that whenever there is a high number of broken windows, there are a high number of people coming into the hospital with broken noses. Thus broken windows causes broken noses! No, they are correlated, but one doesn't cause the other.

in contrast to your window/nose theory, there is a proven pathophysiology of why increased serum cholesterol causes heart attacks. increased cholesterol directly increases the number and thickness of atheromatous plaques on the endothelial lining of your blood vessels. the resultant narrowing of the arteries reduces blood flow, and that combined with possible rupture of the plaque and occlusion of the vessel causes myocardial ischemia and infarct. it's a specific cause/effect relationship, with one event directly leading to the other. there is no specific correlation between broken windows and broken noses.

a possible reason why lowered cholesterol may have no effect on mortality due to heart attacks is because any time cholesterol reducing medication is started, the patient is symptomatic and this process has already begun. plaques have already begun to form, and arterial occlusion is already significant and non reversible. therefore a lower serum cholesterol may not significantly reduce any chance of future heart attack.
 

silverpig

Lifer
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Cholesterol + Sunlight = Vitamin D

Vitamin D -> lets you absorb calcium

--> Some cholesterol is good for you.


When I was in my best shape I ate 6 eggs a day; 3 fried, 3 hard boiled.
 
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