Consider 3770k vs 4770k:
- 1-5% increase in average performance, but performance regressions in specific tests.
Correction: 8% increase in average performance at the same frequency.
Consider 3770k vs 4770k:
- 1-5% increase in average performance, but performance regressions in specific tests.
Consider 3770k vs 4770k:
And that is the short list.
- 1-5% increase in average performance, but performance regressions in specific tests.
- Higher power consumption.
- Run hotter.
- Poor OC.
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Correction: 8% increase in average performance at the same frequency.
"Only a 10% increase..."
Sounds like a first world problem to me.
So? Do you think they care? Intel's got lots of problems - ARM, Windows 8, fab costs, physics, economic realities...
10-11% faster than Ivy Bridge @ same frequency according to Hardware.fr, which makes it ~15% faster clock per clock than Sandy Bridge. Meanwhile AMD has yet to beat 2009 Phenom II IPC with its Bulldozer-based designs. A new version of this chart would be interesting:
"Only a 10% increase..."
Sounds like a first world problem to me.
Performance regression:
1. Start by not crippling chips by fusing off TSX and VT-d.
2. Then fix the thermal issues. If they can fabricate silicon at 22nm, they can surely fix the micrometer range gap between heatspreader and silicon underneath.
3. Bring Broadwell to desktop in 2014, instead of coasting on Haswell for 24 months. I could definitely do with a nice boost in iGPU and lower power consumption, even though there are plenty who say "these things do not matter for desktop".
You won't see bandwidth regression on final hardware.
I see:
3770k 21.37 21.37 Gb/s
4770k 17.76 17.80 Gb/s
http://www.technic3d.com/review/cpu-s/1543-intel-core-i7-4770k/5.htm#sisoft_sandra
Another example of performance regression:
http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1306034-UT-INTELCORE31&sha=505359a&p=2
You have been just reading too much of net reviews and rumors sir,I think you guys should think about the future of the desktop market.
It's easy to see why Intel is dropping the ball here. Intel needs high margins because it needs to fund their bleeding edge tech. That said, with most of the consumer market moving to mobile, Intel will obviously focus their resources there. Instead of desktop, notebooks and servers Intel will go for mobile, notebooks and servers. Mainstream desktop is becoming an afterthought for Intel, a market where Intel doesn't even bother to field a good thermal solution. Cheap is the name of the game here. And the reason for that is not lack of competition, it's lack of returns. Intel doesn't feel compelled with ROI for the desktop markets.
The big elephant in the room isn't that Intel is cheaping on the IHS, but that Intel isn't designing, much less tuning their mainstream parts for desktop usage. Their mainstream parts are being tuned for mobile usage. Instead of investing money in develop a new fancy instruction to improve IPC or to make the core beefier, Intel is spending time and money in developing Cx sleeping states and other gimmicks to keep power under control. Instead of going for a clock speed uber alles process, they are going for a low leakage dense process. Once you have this kind of trend, other subjects like the cheap IHS become a non-issue, because whatever they field on the desktop it will be just an afterthought, a byproduct of their mobile designs.
And what about AMD? AMD doesn't need high margins. With forecast margins around 40%, why isn't AMD focusing all their resources on the desktop when Intel is dropping the ball? AMD doesn't appear to want this market for themselves, and the only explanation is that forecast returns for a high level premium mainstream desktop chip will be low, very low. Far lower than anything AMD can think of, and AMD pipeline isn't exactly a ROI star.
AMD strategy since Bulldozer reflects this reality. They designed two parts, one for mobile and other for servers. The leaky mobile parts become mainstream APU, and the defective/leaky junk silicon becomes FX chips. When an unprofitable company like AMD decides to leave a market on the backburner, why would a profitable company like Intel do the opposite?
It's easy to bash Intel for what they have been doing now, cheaping out the IHS, fuzzing off features. I'd be happier if they weren't doing this. But in the end, the real problem is that returns on the desktop market appear to be diminishing to the point that not even AMD finds desktop worth the investment. And there is no amount of features or better IHS that could make up for that.
Desktop is and will remain for many years to come main platform for computing.
You have been just reading too much of net reviews and rumors sir,
You have been just reading too much of net reviews and rumors sir,
Desktop is and will remain for many years to come main platform for computing.
Outselling has nothing to do with desktops being more or less common in general point of view, or dying or extinct or whatever else terms being used on this board lately.Nice wall of text. The problem is it's wrong in the second sentence. Just look at CPU sales. Mobile x86 parts started outselling desktop parts some years ago, and the trend is accelerating. And we won't even mention computing devices that aren't x86 based.
Right. Nobody said that desktops will disappear overnight. However, intel is focusing their R+D on a market that is selling, not one that is declining by 20% per quarter - so it is all too understandable as to why intel isn't completely focused on all out desktop IPC.
That's what I was speaking about, I talked about working activities where desktops are important, business sector, workplace, serious stuff, servers(servers are technically desktops anyway), even workers in terrain still use rugged laptops and that ofc leaves much more desktop computers to be used beside hobbysts and enthusiasts. I know that people who just use facebook and read mail will use tablets instead of desktops and that will cause a good shrink of them ofc, but I said that desktops will retain considerable market share for long time still due to their nature. And I noticed IRL that desktops are not somehow decreasing, as I said everywhere I go I see desktops to be still most prevalent type of computers.Right. Nobody said that desktops will disappear overnight. There is still a role for desktops and intel will still sell chips for high performance computing, but the average person doesn't need such a high performance device. Intel is focusing their R+D on a market that is selling, not one that is declining by 20% per quarter - so it is all too understandable as to why intel isn't completely focused on all out desktop IPC.
Than again I was speaking about computing, social networking, youtube etc are not computing, they are media type money generators which is more of TV nature rather than computing nature.Could you please explain your statement? Notebooks surpassed desktops sales since since 2008 or 2009. The number today is closer to 65%/35% (units) in Intel mix, 50%/50% in AMD.
Than again I was speaking about computing, social networking, youtube etc are not computing, they are media type money generators which is more of TV nature rather than computing nature.
I think the OP is definitely picking the wrong thing to complain about in this review. The real problem is that a $150 35W AMD processor is compared only to $300 15-17W intel processors.