how did black people get "white" last names?

[invidia]

MY NAME IS KUNTA KINTA.....

YOUR NAME IS TOBY BOYAA!!

 

[BoomerD]

Dey bin wuz gibben dem by dey's slave ownahs massah.

Dat be why Malcomb X called all non-afreekan names "slave names."

 

[KingGheedora]

Do you realize that almost every single African American has a "white" name? Slaves took the names of their masters (they didn't have a say in the matter). It would make more sense to ask how African Americans got "Black names" (e.g. Darnell, Laetishia, Shanaynay).

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Where did first names like "Latisha", "Rodaysha", "Shanaynay", "Montasha", "Quinisha" , ect... You know very common names for those of black decent.

they came out of a back lash to black people during the slave days being forced to become a "Jason Smith" or something that was deemed white. It use to be more simple, maybe the same name but spelled different like "jenipher" and it sort of snow balled. I went to school in the ghetto and a lot of the black people with interesting names said their parents named them what they did to give them an identity of their own. I'm sure a lot just come up with wild names and have no reason beyond that. But there are reasons for many of them to have thhe names they do.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

All I know is what I've read & heard, I wasn't there & I'm obviously not a fan of slavery, I've got no dog in this fight.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

i thought that was how all extended families functioned

 

[J]

This is an idiotic discussion with moronic statements left and right,i think it speaks volume about this forum to let blantant racism go without warning.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Byakuya
This is an idiotic discussion with moronic statements left and right,i think it speaks volume about this forum to let blantant racism go without warning.

hey what i said is actually true (thanks world history class)

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
this is a serious question.

names like MacGrady, McNabb (just to name a few of the more popular black sports iconic names), or anything Mac*, Mc* are of Irish descent.
how did black people 'adopt' these surnames?

is it because in the days of slavery, slave owners raped their women and their kids took on the last name?

its because black people were completely stripped of their cultural wealth and therefore scavenged things like names from white people.

You're a simple minded bigot. Great job distorting history, what else are you going to conceptually butcher today?

He's a bigot for saying that slaves were stripped of their cultural wealth? This must be part of the whole new speak thing. First you couldn't point out inequality and oppression, and now you can't say anything bad about slaveowners or you're a reverse racist.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

All I know is what I've read & heard, I wasn't there & I'm obviously not a fan of slavery, I've got no dog in this fight.

You are repeating what you heard in your revisionist "southern pride" history class. Extended family! Yeah, they were keeping them in shackles for their own good, to get them to heaven. The fact that these ideas that were used to justify slavery to other states that were free and to themselves are still around is disgusting.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

All I know is what I've read & heard, I wasn't there & I'm obviously not a fan of slavery, I've got no dog in this fight.

You are repeating what you heard in your revisionist "southern pride" history class. Extended family! Yeah, they were keeping them in shackles for their own good, to get them to heaven. The fact that these ideas that were used to justify slavery to other states that were free and to themselves are still around is disgusting.

Yeah, 100 % of all slaves were shackled, and did I in any way suggest that nice slave owners (and there were quite a few) were any justification for the practice?

Didn't grow up in the South, but live here now, I've read a bit and made a point to listen to interviews of black authors on the subject.

There was a similar thread in P&N and I did the research to prove my point and educate the poster that was calling me a liar & revisionist, I feel no need to educate anyone else.

<----runs from thread & topic as if I'm on fire and laughs at the retards...

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

All I know is what I've read & heard, I wasn't there & I'm obviously not a fan of slavery, I've got no dog in this fight.

You are repeating what you heard in your revisionist "southern pride" history class. Extended family! Yeah, they were keeping them in shackles for their own good, to get them to heaven. The fact that these ideas that were used to justify slavery to other states that were free and to themselves are still around is disgusting.

Yeah, 100 % of all slaves were shackled, and did I in any way suggest that nice slave owners (and there were quite a few) were any justification for the practice?

Didn't grow up in the South, but live here now, I've read a bit and made a point to listen to interviews of black authors on the subject.

There was a similar thread in P&N and I did the research to prove my point and educate the poster that was calling me a liar & revisionist, I feel no need to educate anyone else.

<----runs from thread & topic as if I'm on fire and laughs at the retards...

you're an idiot...please don't post in this topic anymore.

 

[Pliablemoose]

One more time, the saddest part of all of this kind of BS is that the canned responses & name calling make even the discussion of the subject nearly impossible.

 

[meltdown75]

i'm gonna knock you out

mama said knock you out

breakdown!

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

All I know is what I've read & heard, I wasn't there & I'm obviously not a fan of slavery, I've got no dog in this fight.

You are repeating what you heard in your revisionist "southern pride" history class. Extended family! Yeah, they were keeping them in shackles for their own good, to get them to heaven. The fact that these ideas that were used to justify slavery to other states that were free and to themselves are still around is disgusting.

Yeah, 100 % of all slaves were shackled, and did I in any way suggest that nice slave owners (and there were quite a few) were any justification for the practice?

No, but slaves understood that if they did anything wrong they could be tortured or murdered in a blink of the eye. You don't have to shackle someone if you scare them into submission.

Simply put, the ideas you are expressing were the same ideas used by southern apologiest, which used anecdotes of "nice" slave owners roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll, who were far and few between, to justify slavery and to show that it "wasn't that bad."

And SLAVES WERE GIVEN THEIR NAMES, they did not choose them.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

i thought that was how all extended families functioned

lol

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
One more time, the saddest part of all of this kind of BS is that the canned responses & name calling make even the discussion of the subject nearly impossible.

Did you really think you could have a nuanced discussion on this subject here given that there is so little history taught in schools today that the OP even had to ask the question?

 

[eits]

this is quite possibly the dumbest op ever...

pay attention in history class next time.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
this is a serious question.

names like MacGrady, McNabb (just to name a few of the more popular black sports iconic names), or anything Mac*, Mc* are of Irish descent.
how did black people 'adopt' these surnames?

is it because in the days of slavery, slave owners raped their women and their kids took on the last name?

its because black people were completely stripped of their cultural wealth and therefore scavenged things like names from white people.

you know what the funny thing is - the root of slavery is africa itself.

coastal towns of africa would raid the inside of the continent and capture men, women, and children to sell to the europeans that stopped by during the colonial period. previously, female slaves were particularly wanted by the sultans of both arab empires IIRC (can't remember the 1st one, the second is the Abbasid (sp?) empire). slavery in africa goes much farther back than 1600ish.

This is a red herring because there was this thing called the Declaration of Independence that included this text:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The United States was supposedly more ethical and moral than Arab empires. Now, some states thought that it was hypocritical to affirm documents such as the Declaration, the US Constitution, the various state constitutions, and innumerable Enlightenment writings while also enslaving large populations of human beings. That's why the state supreme court of Massachusetts declared slavery unconstitutional in 1783, & why all northern states took various routes to emancipation following the Revolutionary war.

The southern states? They had a difference of opinion, and went the hypocritical route of moral equivalence with Arab empires.

 

[0roo0roo]

slavery exists in africa to this very day.

 

[PeteRoy]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
because they were 'john's son' and 'will's son'

slave sons of course...

I don't think your correct, Johnson is a bible like name, the son of John.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
People think the plantations were like concentration camps, while there obviously were moral & ethical issues with all the issues around & about slavery, and of course the abuse of slaves, many slave owners weren't horrible people, and their slaves were akin to extended family.

For those people who make their "extended family" their property who cannot voluntarily leave their land, who beat them and whip them as adults if they don't behave, who allow them only hand me down rags to wear, who forcibly forbid the speaking of their native languages, who occassionally lynch or beat to death a few, who forcibly fuck some of the females on occasssion, and treat the issue of these unions as sub-human property, who may or may not allow their property to marry, but then can and do sell the wives and/or the children to other owners.

Yeah, those darkies sure had it good! :roll:

All I know is what I've read & heard, I wasn't there & I'm obviously not a fan of slavery, I've got no dog in this fight.

You are repeating what you heard in your revisionist "southern pride" history class. Extended family! Yeah, they were keeping them in shackles for their own good, to get them to heaven. The fact that these ideas that were used to justify slavery to other states that were free and to themselves are still around is disgusting.

Yeah, 100 % of all slaves were shackled, and did I in any way suggest that nice slave owners (and there were quite a few) were any justification for the practice?

No, but slaves understood that if they did anything wrong they could be tortured or murdered in a blink of the eye. You don't have to shackle someone if you scare them into submission.

Simply put, the ideas you are putting forth that used anecdotes of "nice" slave owners roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll, who were far and few between, to justify slavery, and that now are used to say that it "wasn't that bad."

And SLAVES WERE GIVEN THEIR NAMES, they did not choose them.

Exactly, it's well known that there was a propaganda effort to paint slaveowners as paternal figures. I can't believe the myth is still being paroted here, 150 years later.

 

[0roo0roo]

nothings black and white.
some were shackled, some weren't.
some were sadistic, others relatively enlightened.
i think jefferson and others couldn't really rationalize slavery and thought it was a necessary evil at best.
do you really think about that 3rd world farmer growing your coffee or the sweat shop laborer when you shop at walmart? it is how it is, we let some things go.. and they did back then.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
nothings black and white.
some were shackled, some weren't.

I didn't mean literally shackled. That's besides the freaking point. They were slaves. How would it even make sense for me to talk about slaveowners using excuses to justify keeping their slaves literally shackled as opposed to not shackled?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
nothings black and white.
some were shackled, some weren't.
some were sadistic, others relatively enlightened.
i think jefferson and others couldn't really rationalize slavery and thought it was a necessary evil at best.
do you really think about that 3rd world farmer growing your coffee or the sweat shop laborer when you shop at walmart? it is how it is, we let some things go.. and they did back then.

Yes I do, and I don't buy any brand that is known to use sweatshops.