Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
1. 90% of blacks vote democrat
2. Obama is black
Rocket science!
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: techs
Wow. Obama got 80 percent of the black vote on Super Tuesday!
Funny, Ihave never heard, not once, any potential voter who was interviewed nor any political commentator say ONE thing that Obama has done that could explain this huge support. Not one piece of legislation, not one political statement, NOTHING.
So I don't get it. How can he get such a huge, overwhelming vote from one race?
From Merriam-Webster:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
So, I ask you, in all honesty. Why did a candidate with NO record of legislation, no record of political statements that could be construed as advancing or helping the majority of black Americans get over 80 percent of the black vote?
This surprises you?
It is the same reason the overwhelming majority of illegal immigration supporters are Hispanic. With minorities as a whole it is their ethnicity above all else, I bet Obama could be a convicted baby killer and still get most of the black vote simply because he is black.
Minorities are far more racist that Whites in the US because they are allowed to be and because they are allowed to be you can?t call them that.
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
1. 90% of blacks vote democrat
2. Obama is black
Rocket science!
But how did he get only 80% instead of 90%?
Can rocket science explain that?
Originally posted by: techs
Wow. Obama got 80 percent of the black vote on Super Tuesday!
Funny, Ihave never heard, not once, any potential voter who was interviewed nor any political commentator say ONE thing that Obama has done that could explain this huge support. Not one piece of legislation, not one political statement, NOTHING.
So I don't get it. How can he get such a huge, overwhelming vote from one race?
From Merriam-Webster:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
So, I ask you, in all honesty. Why did a candidate with NO record of legislation, no record of political statements that could be construed as advancing or helping the majority of black Americans get over 80 percent of the black vote?
Originally posted by: Rainsford
By the way, in the interest of pursuing the truth (hah, that's a good one), I think it's worth pointing out that in the 2004 election, Kerry got almost 90% of the black vote. Based on the logic displayed in this thread, I think it's only reasonable to conclude that John Kerry is in fact black...blacker than Obama, in fact, if his support among black voters is any indication.
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Rainsford
By the way, in the interest of pursuing the truth (hah, that's a good one), I think it's worth pointing out that in the 2004 election, Kerry got almost 90% of the black vote. Based on the logic displayed in this thread, I think it's only reasonable to conclude that John Kerry is in fact black...blacker than Obama, in fact, if his support among black voters is any indication.
More techs bullshit swept under the rug :thumbsup:
His race trolling is getting to be a bit much IMO.
Originally posted by: Vic
Does this thread have any other purpose besides blatant trolling?
One of the big developments on the Democratic side last night was the huge turnout by Latinos for Sen. Hillary Clinton, winning that key demographic by a two-to-one margin in two states Sen. Barack Obama lost -- New Jersey and California.
Forget for our purposes the black-brown divide, as seen with the comment by Clinton pollster (and Latino voting expert) Sergio Bendixen who told the New Yorker "the Hispanic voter -- and I want to say this very carefully -- has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."
Originally posted by: Socio
Here is another example where race decides votes among minorities;
Hillary Si! Obama No! -- Que?
One of the big developments on the Democratic side last night was the huge turnout by Latinos for Sen. Hillary Clinton, winning that key demographic by a two-to-one margin in two states Sen. Barack Obama lost -- New Jersey and California.
Forget for our purposes the black-brown divide, as seen with the comment by Clinton pollster (and Latino voting expert) Sergio Bendixen who told the New Yorker "the Hispanic voter -- and I want to say this very carefully -- has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."
Reading through the article it seems the "black-brown divide" is as strong as ever.
This coupled with Obama getting the majority black vote it looks like race is the biggest issue with voters in minority communities, and they wonder why things never get better only worse.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
By the way, in the interest of pursuing the truth (hah, that's a good one), I think it's worth pointing out that in the 2004 election, Kerry got almost 90% of the black vote. Based on the logic displayed in this thread, I think it's only reasonable to conclude that John Kerry is in fact black...blacker than Obama, in fact, if his support among black voters is any indication.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
obama won the whitest states in the union by dramatic margins. The op fails.
wtf!? LOL!Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Holy cow batman . I can't even believe OP asked that Question . Have you forgot already the OJ trail . Did you see the who the judge was the attornies jury. I can't even believe you asked that Question. They got that racist pig cop tho. Its like the pot calling the kettle black.
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Alan Keyes ran against Obama in the Illinois senate race. I assure you that the Black vote was not split 50/50 between the two of them. It seems that the Black voters are not as racist or stupid as the OP insinuates. It's not about the color of the candidate, but how close his positions match theirs.
I congratulate the OP. It's not many people that would be suprised that a demographic overwhelmingly votes for the person that they believe best represents that demographic's interests.
I also find it funny that people constantly argue Obama has no positions that would explain his support. Just because you don't take the time to watch debates, interviews, or go to Obama's website, that doesn't mean that other people aren't interested in and capable of doing so.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Alan Keyes ran against Obama in the Illinois senate race. I assure you that the Black vote was not split 50/50 between the two of them. It seems that the Black voters are not as racist or stupid as the OP insinuates. It's not about the color of the candidate, but how close his positions match theirs.
I congratulate the OP. It's not many people that would be suprised that a demographic overwhelmingly votes for the person that they believe best represents that demographic's interests.
I also find it funny that people constantly argue Obama has no positions that would explain his support. Just because you don't take the time to watch debates, interviews, or go to Obama's website, that doesn't mean that other people aren't interested in and capable of doing so.
All well and good. But please state if you are denying that what is likely a strong factor in the overwhelming african american vote for Obama has to do with race. Is there any other group with a natural born characteristic (race, gender, nationality, religion) that is supporting either candidate in such numbers?
It is not surprising that when the first african american candidate with cross-appeal to every demographic appears to have a viable shot at the presidency that blacks would come out in massive numbers to support him. But refusing to make the observation, or worse, denying what plainly is happening, doesn't improve race relations. As that dude in "Stand and Deliver" said, there are two types of racial prejudice: singling out a group because of their race and NOT singling out a group because of their race. To say that 80+% of black americans are voting for obama simply because of his positions and not at all because of his race takes a healthy dose of self-delusion.
Please continue to call everyone who makes these observations racist.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Alan Keyes ran against Obama in the Illinois senate race. I assure you that the Black vote was not split 50/50 between the two of them. It seems that the Black voters are not as racist or stupid as the OP insinuates. It's not about the color of the candidate, but how close his positions match theirs.
I congratulate the OP. It's not many people that would be suprised that a demographic overwhelmingly votes for the person that they believe best represents that demographic's interests.
I also find it funny that people constantly argue Obama has no positions that would explain his support. Just because you don't take the time to watch debates, interviews, or go to Obama's website, that doesn't mean that other people aren't interested in and capable of doing so.
All well and good. But please state if you are denying that what is likely a strong factor in the overwhelming african american vote for Obama has to do with race. Is there any other group with a natural born characteristic (race, gender, nationality, religion) that is supporting either candidate in such numbers?
It is not surprising that when the first african american candidate with cross-appeal to every demographic appears to have a viable shot at the presidency that blacks would come out in massive numbers to support him. But refusing to make the observation, or worse, denying what plainly is happening, doesn't improve race relations. As that dude in "Stand and Deliver" said, there are two types of racial prejudice: singling out a group because of their race and NOT singling out a group because of their race. To say that 80+% of black americans are voting for obama simply because of his positions and not at all because of his race takes a healthy dose of self-delusion.
Please continue to call everyone who makes these observations racist.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: techs
Wow. Obama got 80 percent of the black vote on Super Tuesday!
Funny, Ihave never heard, not once, any potential voter who was interviewed nor any political commentator say ONE thing that Obama has done that could explain this huge support. Not one piece of legislation, not one political statement, NOTHING.
So I don't get it. How can he get such a huge, overwhelming vote from one race?
From Merriam-Webster:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
So, I ask you, in all honesty. Why did a candidate with NO record of legislation, no record of political statements that could be construed as advancing or helping the majority of black Americans get over 80 percent of the black vote?
Because his name is NOT Ron whats his name...plain and simple!!
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Alan Keyes ran against Obama in the Illinois senate race. I assure you that the Black vote was not split 50/50 between the two of them. It seems that the Black voters are not as racist or stupid as the OP insinuates. It's not about the color of the candidate, but how close his positions match theirs.
I congratulate the OP. It's not many people that would be suprised that a demographic overwhelmingly votes for the person that they believe best represents that demographic's interests.
I also find it funny that people constantly argue Obama has no positions that would explain his support. Just because you don't take the time to watch debates, interviews, or go to Obama's website, that doesn't mean that other people aren't interested in and capable of doing so.
All well and good. But please state if you are denying that what is likely a strong factor in the overwhelming african american vote for Obama has to do with race. Is there any other group with a natural born characteristic (race, gender, nationality, religion) that is supporting either candidate in such numbers?
It is not surprising that when the first african american candidate with cross-appeal to every demographic appears to have a viable shot at the presidency that blacks would come out in massive numbers to support him. But refusing to make the observation, or worse, denying what plainly is happening, doesn't improve race relations. As that dude in "Stand and Deliver" said, there are two types of racial prejudice: singling out a group because of their race and NOT singling out a group because of their race. To say that 80+% of black americans are voting for obama simply because of his positions and not at all because of his race takes a healthy dose of self-delusion.
Please continue to call everyone who makes these observations racist.
The OP did a lot more than just make that observation. :roll:
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Next, when you find another group with the history of Black people, i'll find you another group that votes in a block as much as they do. It's been pointed out at least 10 times in this thread that black people vote for Democrats at a 90% rate. Your position seems to be that when Blacks support a white democrat at 90% it's not because of race, but if 80% support a Black candidate it is because of race. That's where i find the delusion to be. Show me any evidence that your claim is true other than your belief.
Voters over 65 favored Clinton by a 2 to 1 margin. Was it ageism, or did they believe that she would best represent their interests?
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I'm not the OP
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Well 65% != 80%. As to seniors, I have little doubt that many of the seniors do in fact think Obama is too young. This is not a universally held opinion, which is why its closer to 2-1 rather than 4-1. I don't know that they think she better represents their interests as much as they think she'd be the better president because she is in fact, over 60, and they see Obama as a spring chicken at 47.
Yes, blacks vote democratic, that's not relevant in this discussion since both Hillary and Obama are democrats. The black vote has never been as unified as it is now between 2 candidates. Sharpton only got 17% in the SC primary in 2004, with Edwards getting 37%, Kerry 34%. Do you really think Obama is bringing together the overwhelming black vote only because of his take on the issues? Maybe not only that he's black, but black and viable as a candidate? Do you deny race may actually play any role, and possibly an important role?
Hillary wins the women at about 60-40, and many women are not ashamed to say they think it's time a woman got elected.
And again, so what if age/religion/sex/race are one factor considered in a voter's decision? So long as the candidate selected is also clearly competent and intelligent there is nothing wrong with also picking someone because of a personal preference due to their personal characteristics. It's when someone votes for a candidate solely because of some affiliation that I find it problematic (ex. "I could care less that Bush has no foreign policy experience, and that I think he's as bright as a glow in the dark sticker. He's accepted Jesus as his personal lord and savior so I'm giving him my vote.")
Because blacks aren't racist right???Originally posted by: Deeko
I believe I read somewhere that the NAACP rates all candidates' voting records on issues pertaining to the plight of blacks, and Obama scored a 100%.
But go ahead...insinuate that those 80% are all racist.
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Why is 65% different from 80%? Where is the line, and more importantly, what objective criteria are you using to draw it? Does it stop being some type of -ism when it crosses 70%? If so, why? Now, do I think race plays no role at all? Of course not. I'll be the first to tell you that race matters with everything in America. But it matters far less than the OP and others on his side are suggesting. I'll say it definitely accounts for far less than the 15% difference between 65% and 80% among any demographic.
The reason why it matters is also not what the OP tries to make it. It's about credibility. If a gay person was running for office and said "I support the issues that are important to gay people", he would have more credibility among gays than anyone else who said it. Gays are going to assume he's less likely to break his promise and support a gay marriage amendment. It's the same way with Obama among Blacks. Those who don't study the candidates will assume that, all else being equal, the Black candidate is more trustworthy to not push policies that harm his wife and daughers. But it's bigger than that. For the people who do study the candidates, Barack comes across as more genuine and credible, race aside.
Yes there are some people who will say, "I'm voting for Barack only because he's on my team (black)". But those numbers are no greater than those who vote for Clinton because she's a woman, Huckabee because he's baptist, McCain because he's a veteran too..... or any other demographic. Black voters
are no dumber or smarter than any other group. That is the crux of my argument.
I'm black by the way. I support Obama less because he's going to support any particular "black" issue I care about, than that i'm convinced he's going to focus on inclusion more than any other candidate. He won me over with his speech at Kerry's DNC where he talked about "there are no red or blue states". I emailed that speech and later on that youtube video to all of my friends and family. I said to myself as he was talking..."Finally, there's a viable candidate that gets it. I want healthy compromises, not a win at all cost mentality." When Obama says he'd talk to our "enemies", I hear something that no other candidate will say. His pragmatism is what won me over, not his race.
When you or anyone else tries to tell me why i'm supporting Obama, I don't consider it to be racist.... I just consider it to be incredibly insulting. When i tell you my reason, are you going to say "well you're one of the good ones, but all the other Blacks are just looking at his race." Then as each one tells you his reason, are you going to say it's all the others that you haven't spoken to? I and every other Black voter has a mind just as good as yours, and is capable of using it for more than comparisons on a color wheel. You can look at the aggregate data till you're blue, but don't ignore the fact that each person within the group has only one vote, and each person has a unique reason for casting that vote.
It's also incredibly insulting to Obama. Notice that Obama won by 75% in the Alaska Caucus, 80% in the Idaho Caucus, and has over 65% in every Caucus since it became a two person race.... all in overwhelmingly white states. If a state of mostly white people can realistically vote 80% for Obama based solely on the issues, why do you find it hard to believe that Blacks can too? The trend is that the better people know him, the more they vote for him. Don't you think Black people would take the time to know the first viable Black candidate in history? When you look at the right set of numbers like those, you'll come to understand that race is playing a minor role.
Edited a few times for clarification.
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Oprama will swing the tide and make America a black country.