Prop 14 lolI see - google is difficult for you. Does mommy still spoon feed you too?
2014 California Proposition 47 - Wikipedia
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Prop 14 lol
Your graphic says Prop 14. You expect people to accept a chart from a source that can't even avoid typos? We aren't all as gullible as you. How about you find some actual facts. While you are at it, maybe include some facts regarding actual increases in crime as opposed to a reduction in arrests.Yes, a proposition in 2014. Is this difficult for you to follow?
And the only study in that link (public policy institute of california) found....no link between prop 14 and any increase in crime.I see - google is difficult for you. Does mommy still spoon feed you too?
2014 California Proposition 47 - Wikipedia
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Build dense housing around transit. There is some real shitty land use around many BART stations for starters.
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Urban dwellers are the most efficient consumers of energy and water that exist. So you want more of them and fewer tract subdivisions in the Central Valley.
Indeed, but who wants to live in high density areas? It sucks. Lots of people want a home in the burbs because it's a nice way to live. Apartments are for people that can't afford a home.
Uhmm, apparently you do - see below.
Why would you think that owning property nearby gives you the right to dictate what someone else does with their property? Does this work both ways? Should people be able to demand you knock your house down and build an apartment building there? If not, what’s the difference
If you want to prohibit high density housing from being built next door you’re free to buy that property and then do whatever you want with it.
The lengths people that are part of the haves will go to keep housing away from the people that are the have nots. Pretty despicable.buddy of mine worked for Habitat for Humanity for several years, many years ago. He told me a story about one project, where some wealthy widow donated her estate, something like 5-10 acres in the middle of some fancy suburb community to Habitat, I want to say ~Florida somewhere?
So, Habitat moves in, builds about 2 dozen homes for single mothers on that land, and the entire time, the neighborhood thugs are roaming around threatening the workers on a daily basis. Town council meetings, violence, they have to stop work several times (because of violent "I own all this property" types that are afraid of single mothers). The houses eventually got built.
...I fucking love stories like this.
eskimospy: No One is leaving California - it's only the poor people lol enjoy your poor people! We love our rich people - but we also condemn them because were dumb hypocrites lol.....
Nice try, moron lol.
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California Fleeing
Some longtime Californians view the continued net outmigration from their state as a worrisome sign, but most others in the Golden State’s media, academic, and political establishment dismiss this demographic decline as a “myth.” The Sacramento Bee suggests that it largely represents the “hate”...www.city-journal.org
Even in some cities in the US it is much more common. I have lived in a luxury high-rise and loved it. The city I am in now are finally allowing more residential high-rise and they are defiantly not for poor folks @ $6,365 a month for a 2/2 (1,316 Sq.Ft.).probably not actually true. The rest of the world outside of a few backwards US states live perfectly well and happy in denser clusters of homes, apartments, attached homes, etc. It's not like a detached home is even an option in a lot of places where jobs exist.
Once again, attacking the messenger, not the message.
A common tactic of the low intelligent.
When you can't argue against the data - you dismiss it because of the person presenting it.
Regulations favoring densification, particularly in the Bay Area and Los Angeles, have not prevented those areas from having the nation’s highest-priced housing. California also has the nation’s highest urban density and increased the most in the last decade at an incremental rate of 11,000 people per square mile—a density comparable to that of the city of Chicago—and 5.5 times the national rate. Yet prices relative to incomes have grown far faster than in the rest of the country, including in such thriving areas as Dallas–Ft. Worth and Austin, where prices remain far lower. Housing, according to a recent Berkeley poll, was by far the biggest factor cited by people wanting to move.
By my rough estimate, that chart shows 90% of out migration being in the $200k or less category...so you proved his point?eskimospy: No One is leaving California - it's only the poor people lol enjoy your poor people! We love our rich people - but we also condemn them because were dumb hypocrites lol.....
Nice try, moron lol.
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California Fleeing
Some longtime Californians view the continued net outmigration from their state as a worrisome sign, but most others in the Golden State’s media, academic, and political establishment dismiss this demographic decline as a “myth.” The Sacramento Bee suggests that it largely represents the “hate”...www.city-journal.org
By my rough estimate, that chart shows 90% of out migration being in the $200k or less category...so you proved his point?
I'm not sure if I'm more confused than you are at this point.
Edit: you MIGHT have an argument if you grouped that by normalizing the percentage of each bracket that left; i.e. larger number in the lower brackets but smaller as a percentage of total pop in that bracket.
eskimospy: No One is leaving California - it's only the poor people lol enjoy your poor people! We love our rich people - but we also condemn them because were dumb hypocrites lol.....
Nice try, moron lol.
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California Fleeing
Some longtime Californians view the continued net outmigration from their state as a worrisome sign, but most others in the Golden State’s media, academic, and political establishment dismiss this demographic decline as a “myth.” The Sacramento Bee suggests that it largely represents the “hate”...www.city-journal.org
I hear this POV, and I hate living in the city, but I cant control city planning man… that shit is what it is and if that is how it is its my job to gtfo before it happens… move a bit further out.I have no desire to ban anyone from living the way they want to. If I buy a home in a quiet neighborhood with like minded people don't we get to keep it a quiet neighborhood? Why do I suddenly have to have high density housing next door?
There are areas for high density, there are areas for low density, there are areas for industrial and areas for farming. This is called zoning, it's a good thing.
But god damn there are TOO MANY PEOPLE here. Carpet baggers can pack their shit and go back to Iowa or wherever the fuck.
He has an argument that isn't so much "the poor" as the middle class, because in the more expensive places in CA, $200K is just middle class.
Unfortunately it is also impossible to tell from this purported compilation of IRS data if it shows individual or family income. I suspect it's the latter. If so, it's a deception.
It may surprise people who aren't too bright that even a $200K salary does not automatically qualify you to afford a house around here. Your down payment is probably 2 years of unadjusted gross income, 3 years of net income, and monthly payments probably average about $8000 for the mortgage alone. Think about how you afford that on, say, $125K net total income. Not very well.
You probably need about $300K total family income to afford a new house in either the bay area, or the LA or San Diego areas. The places where most of the population resides. Most Californians don't make that much. But most homeowners bought their property long ago when prices were more reasonable, and they never want to sell because they have locked in low property taxes in perpetuity due to prop 13. This unwillingness to sell is another reason prices remain high.
Remember, all we are asking of you is two things:When I was young I bought a house I couldn't afford so I wouldn't have to drive a million miles to work. The result was that I worked for the rest of the pay off time 6 days a week and overtime. When the property tax rolled around twice a year I would have to put it on credit as well as the home owner's insurance. I was able to buy it because nobody else wanted it for that price. Now I won't sell it for 20 times what I paid because it's been my home for most of my adult life.
So I get blamed for all the homelessness and liberals stay up at night thinking of ways they can force me out owning to my tremendous and accidental good luck because I was able to hang on in good part thanks to Prop 13.
The only thing that happens in my neighborhood when houses sell is they get huge additions because they don't cut it with the people who can afford to buy them. And no homeless people are moving into those additions.
And when the taps run dry and the air conditioners stop property values in California will probably drop and the homeless will move to Alaska.
Remember, all we are asking of you is two things:
1) pay the same tax rate as anyone else who might move into your house.
2) stop banning other people from building houses on their own property.
Is it really so much to ask that you pay the same rate as new, struggling families? Is it really so much to ask that you allow people to build a house on their own property? If you can just find the humanity to allow these two very modest things you could alleviate mass human suffering. Wouldn’t that make you feel good?