Remember, all we are asking of you is two things:
1) pay the same tax rate as anyone else who might move into your house.
2) stop banning other people from building houses on their own property.
Is it really so much to ask that you pay the same rate as new, struggling families? Is it really so much to ask that you allow people to build a house on their own property? If you can just find the humanity to allow these two very modest things you could alleviate mass human suffering. Wouldn’t that make you feel good?
Yes?
I don’t know what the maximum population NYC can support is but the densest city in the world is more than 400% more dense than NYC so let’s be cautious and start with just triple the current population and then see where we end up.What is the maximum population that NYC can support?
NYC, like any city has a max carry capacity for human footprint.
Waste disposable, water, power, transportation (roads, rail etc ect).
NYC currently supports 8.5mil+
At what point does the NYC watershed system fail to support NYC water needs?
At what point do neighboring states and Central NY stop accepting the trash that NYC generates?
The call to fill every square foot of NYC real estate with cheap affordable housing has a societal cost .
What is the number that you have arrived at for NYC population that is supportable?
Where the max cap has been identified and capacity for growth established, WHERE in NYC do want to see housing built?
Where in NYC is infrastructure, roads etc underutilized and ripe for construction?
I don’t know what the maximum population NYC can support is but the densest city in the world is more than 400% more dense than NYC so let’s be cautious and start with just triple the current population and then see where we end up.
So my starting number would be 25 million or so in the city proper. (We are at like 8.4 now or something) Lots more ability for density in the suburbs though, so we can probably ramp the population up there even more.
American cities are extremely sparsely populated by global standards. LA is like one third the density of Paris! We have a LONG way to go before we even start approaching normal density instead of this weird sprawl we have now.
This is saying that for publicly traded companies each employee generates $500k/mo revenue. For someone earning $120k/yr that is $10k/mo which is 2% of revenue. Many people do not earn close to $120k/yr and relatively few earn more.
It seems exceedingly lopsided for an employee get such a small % of that revenue.
It seems that would greatly contribute to a lower-middle class wanting to move on to a more affordable area.
I’m not sure, I would need to read more about it.Would you support restricting growth North of the city to protect areas surrounding the various watersheds?
Yes, as a start. Maybe more than that as time goes on.You are proposing tripling the current population.
Export it just like we do now. There is no shortage in any of our lifetimes of places willing to take NYC’s trash.Where does the trash go?
Generally speaking we should be moving off gas but the good news is that dense construction is more energy efficient than sparse construction so chances are good the new residents will be consuming less net energy than wherever they live now. A big win!Where NY imports a lot of Natural gas today, are you going to be supportive of fracking in the Marcellus Shale to meet the needs of tripling the population?
NYC has the lowest per capita carbon footprint of any city in the US so you bring up another huge point in favor of it. The more people we fit into NYC the better it is for the climate.What sort of carbon footprint is going to result of tripling the population in 321sq mile area to 25 million people?
That’s why you build more housing! It’s not like we are cloning all the residents and tripling the population overnight. As you can see though, increased density brings a lot of benefits not just to the residents but to the rest of the country too.What do you think is going to real estate prices when you increase inventory in to support 25 million people.
What are real estate prices in these larger cities you speak of?
Would you support restricting growth North of the city to protect areas surrounding the various watersheds?
You are proposing tripling the current population.
Where does the trash go?
Where NY imports a lot of Natural gas today, are you going to be supportive of fracking in the Marcellus Shale to meet the needs of tripling the population?
What sort of carbon footprint is going to result of tripling the population in 321sq mile area to 25 million people?
What do you think is going to real estate prices when you increase inventory in to support 25 million people.
What are real estate prices in these larger cities you speak of?
Yes, I’m not saying we reverse Thanos snap 16 million people into existence, I’m mostly just saying we should be happy to allow more density because it’s basically a win win situation. Lower environmental impact, higher economic impact, etc.I'll let fskimospy reply to the bulk of this, but as to your point about the carbon footprint, I'm pretty sure he isn't assuming that all these new people just wink into existence. We're undergoing urbanization in this country, where people move from rural or suburban into cities. Presumably all of these people already have a carbon footprint wherever they live now.
In answer to your question: we have to get off fossil fuels and on to renewables and nuclear. But this is a separate issue because you are discussing population moving from one place to another and it is unclear that this will increase our total carbon footprint.
If what you're really talking about is local air quality rather than total global carbon emissions, then the answer is the same: we need to get off fossil fuels. I strongly suspect that if this has not happened before NYC reaches anything near 25 million people, we're all toast anyway.
Yes, I’m not saying we reverse Thanos snap 16 million people into existence, I’m mostly just saying we should be happy to allow more density because it’s basically a win win situation. Lower environmental impact, higher economic impact, etc.
Enjoy a life of ants living on top of eachother - where the person in the apartment next to you is banging with a creeky bed everynight, the people to the other side of you have a meth lab, and the people on top of you are professional stompers.
Are you somehow so stupid as to not realize I live in a dense apartment building right now and have for the last ten years?Enjoy a life of ants living on top of eachother - where the person in the apartment next to you is banging with a creeky bed everynight, the people to the other side of you have a meth lab, and the people on top of you are professional stompers.
Over-crowding on streets would be a better argument.
Are you somehow so stupid as to not realize I live in a dense apartment building right now and have for the last ten years?
Housing has become so expensive in the United States that the typical minimum wage worker cannot afford rent, according to a new report.
There is no state, county or city in the country where a full-time, minimum-wage worker working 40 hours a week can afford a two-bedroom rental, a report from the National Low Income Housing Coalition showed.
Examples? Honest question. You brought it up and curious about what is subsidized.Although those quiet suburban lifestyles are over-subsidized and taking up too much property for the return on investment, so it's time to pay up. Urban areas generally subsidize the suburban, and then the rural areas are additionally subsidized.
Examples? Honest question. You brought it up and curious about what is subsidized.
Thank you. You found more than I did in my cursory check on the net. It does explain it and I never realized it.Starving the cities to feed the suburbs
A new report finds that of the $450 billion the federal government spends on real estate each year, the lion’s share subsidizes suburban growth -- at the expense of both cities and the planet.grist.org
here is some more history. of course segregation is part of the history:
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
you can find articles that talk about how it's simply more expensive to do a lot of things in the burbs, such as the roads per amount of people they serve, etc...
here is a little article about one town and their experience, and how they maintain their suburban lifestyle by jamming some density in a fraction of the town https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/4/16/when-apartment-dwellers-subsidize-suburban-homeowners
You were expecting someone who works a minimum wage job to be able to afford a 2 bedroom?I guess these days it isn't only an issue in California:
Minimum wage workers can't afford rent anywhere in America
Housing has become so expensive in the United States that the typical minimum wage worker cannot afford rent, according to a new report.www.cnn.com
Yikes, that's not good.
asburd? more like sad. and there is only compounding irony in that, ~$24/hr being the required wage to have rent be affordable, is also EXACTLY what minimum wage would be had it kept pace with productivity.You were expecting someone who works a minimum wage job to be able to afford a 2 bedroom?
Are you high? That's absurdly stupid to even think is reasonable lol.
A person working minimum wage can't afford housing of any kind.. not even a studio apartment in most places, so you can get off the 2-bedroom BS argument. What you are saying is that people who work 40 hours a week should not get the basic necessities like a roof over their head.. All you are doing is showing just how stupid you are.You were expecting someone who works a minimum wage job to be able to afford a 2 bedroom?
Are you high? That's absurdly stupid to even think is reasonable lol.
Are you somehow so stupid as to not realize I live in a dense apartment building right now and have for the last ten years?
And you like to accuse liberals of being elitist... lol.Enjoy a life of ants living on top of eachother - where the person in the apartment next to you is banging with a creeky bed everynight, the people to the other side of you have a meth lab, and the people on top of you are professional stompers.