how difficult is it to obtain a gun, am worried about my families safety

[CZroe]

He's Canadian, and almost right, with a Concealed Carry permit, there's no waiting period.

That would be ID.

Also, it seems that he actually believed the Columbine shooters, teenagers, just walked into K-Mart and bought those things. He has demonstrated a twisted idea about The State's where he thinks it's guns and violence and mayhem and racism everywhere. Our shame and focus on such things has given the entire world the wrong impression.

 

[pete6032]

Please elaborate on the legal ways.

Private party sales of firearms do not require a background check, unless mandated by a state state government. I just looked and I see that a total of 18 states have some kind of regulation of private party gun sales, and 8 states fully require a background check for all gun transactions. The other 32 states do not regulate private party transactions.

http://smartgunlaws.org/universal-gun-background-checks-policy-summary/#state

 

[x26]

Yeah but you act like that's hard. I've been convicted of 2 felonies and I still bought a few guns this year.You just can't buy automatics, but those suck anyways.

BS
Noted and Reported to DOJ/FBI

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah but you act like that's hard. I've been convicted of 2 felonies and I still bought a few guns this year.You just can't buy automatics, but those suck anyways.

You just admitted to committing even more felonies on the internet? Not the brightest bulb in the box are you...

 

[Artdeco]

Yeah but you act like that's hard. I've been convicted of 2 felonies and I still bought a few guns this year.You just can't buy automatics, but those suck anyways.

I have a couple of friends that have worked in prisons, one of the truisms they told me is that only stupid criminals get caught. You want to go to prison? Because I gotta tell you, people can figure out who you are and turn you in, hell, you can't even possess a single bullet.

http://felonyrestrictions.com/Owning-a-Gun.php

 

[DCal430]

LMFAO the pro nuts love top spread fud. The so called back ground checks are nothing, they are instant and check poorly maintained database. It is not extensive by any means, and their are loop holes such as private sale and gun shows. You can walk to a gun store today and walk about with a weapon of mass murder, capable of killing dozens if not hundreds in seconds.

 

[DCal430]

Also OP please don't get a gun, the gun you buy will likely be used to kill your loved own or another innocent person. Most guns purchased for self defense are never used for such, and instead are used for suicide and murder.

 

[Red Squirrel]

No you cant. Contrary to what the anti gun nutters would like you to believe. Try to purchase a handgun from any store and there is automatically a background check run somewhere in the process. In Michigan where I live if you plan on purchasing a handgun from any store that sells them pencil in at least 2 hours to complete the process. I already have a cpl so I get to skip the purchase permit process. Takes even longer if you don't have a cpl.

Honestly had no idea there was such a process. I'm pretty sure I heard you could just walk into any store to buy one, is this something recent? Only thing, I wonder how easy it is to get past the process, will some young kid that just started at Walmart or a gas station even know the process? He/she might just scan it through and not bat an eye.

Either way, it's obvious that criminals are finding ways of obtaining guns without having to go through this process anyway, so it probably does not serve much purpose. We had a gun registry here in Canada and they scrapped it. (one of the few things Harper did that was actually positive) as it was just a waste of time. Why would a criminal register their gun? I'm sure the Hell's Angels and other biker gangs have all their guns registered.

 

[Artdeco]

RS, it was implemented in 1993, made "instant" in 1998. And it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

Typically, guns are purchased for criminals by family members.

Convicted felons are not allowed to own guns in the US unless their conviction is overturned, IIRC, they can't even possess ammo. The rules are pretty strict, it's pretty much another automatic felony if they're caught, even with just ammo, on their own property. Also, if anyone is convicted of a domestic abuse charge, they won't pass the background check. That one took out a lot of police officers, BTW.

Also, don't confuse reality with Hollywood, I mean, you're a sharp guy, and look at your misconceptions.

 

[Ferzerp]

Typically, guns are purchased for criminals by family members.

Which in and of itself is a felony if the buyer is buying for someone they know can't buy for themselves.

 

[CZroe]

Honestly had no idea there was such a process. I'm pretty sure I heard you could just walk into any store to buy one, is this something recent? Only thing, I wonder how easy it is to get past the process, will some young kid that just started at Walmart or a gas station even know the process? He/she might just scan it through and not bat an eye.

Either way, it's obvious that criminals are finding ways of obtaining guns without having to go through this process anyway, so it probably does not serve much purpose. We had a gun registry here in Canada and they scrapped it. (one of the few things Harper did that was actually positive) as it was just a waste of time. Why would a criminal register their gun? I'm sure the Hell's Angels and other biker gangs have all their guns registered.

No. They are restricted and in a display case that only particular employees have access to. You can't just take them to the checkout. A trained person specific to that department with a key has to retrieve it.

It's a bit like buying cigarettes.

 

[pete6032]

Honestly had no idea there was such a process. I'm pretty sure I heard you could just walk into any store to buy one, is this something recent? Only thing, I wonder how easy it is to get past the process, will some young kid that just started at Walmart or a gas station even know the process? He/she might just scan it through and not bat an eye.

Either way, it's obvious that criminals are finding ways of obtaining guns without having to go through this process anyway, so it probably does not serve much purpose. We had a gun registry here in Canada and they scrapped it. (one of the few things Harper did that was actually positive) as it was just a waste of time. Why would a criminal register their gun? I'm sure the Hell's Angels and other biker gangs have all their guns registered.

See posts #33 and #102.

 

[IEC]

Honestly had no idea there was such a process. I'm pretty sure I heard you could just walk into any store to buy one, is this something recent? Only thing, I wonder how easy it is to get past the process, will some young kid that just started at Walmart or a gas station even know the process? He/she might just scan it through and not bat an eye.

Either way, it's obvious that criminals are finding ways of obtaining guns without having to go through this process anyway, so it probably does not serve much purpose. We had a gun registry here in Canada and they scrapped it. (one of the few things Harper did that was actually positive) as it was just a waste of time. Why would a criminal register their gun? I'm sure the Hell's Angels and other biker gangs have all their guns registered.

No, a form 4473 and associated FBI NICS check has been law of the land for decades. Penalties for violating federal firearms laws (of which there are MANY) can be extraordinarily harsh and are incentive enough for dealers and retailers to be very picky about who they will do business with. We're talking minimum 10 years Federal felony for even what some might consider "minor" violations.

Also, for the poster in here who is posting that they are a felon in possession of firearms... please keep in mind that you are in a public space that may or may not be frequented by local, state, and federal law enforcement. Certain situations and felonies punishable by fewer than 1 year in prison are not immediate disqualifiers (YMMV at State/Local jurisdiction level), but it isn't too difficult to link your online presence to a real name and place of residence if there is any question about legality...

 

[emperus]

You mentioned once that you are schizophrenic. I would hope that that alone would exclude you from purchasing a firearm.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37700270&postcount=13

Good Sleuthing. If this isn't a troll thread, it just turned outright scary. I hope there are enough provisions that OP never owns a gun.

 

[olds]

Want to buy in California?
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=503873
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=901836

 

[XavierMace]

Want to buy in California?
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=503873
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=901836

Thanks for the reminder of why I don't want to live there.

 

[lxskllr]

Thanks for the reminder of why I don't want to live there.

That's just a symptom of the greater cancer. I'd rather live in NJ than CA.

 

[Rumpltzer]

Thanks for the reminder of why I don't want to live there.

I own long guns and hand guns in California. It's not really a huge problem/impediment. I'm not saying that the California laws/rules make sense, and I don't believe that they're much of a deterrence. But it's not really such a problem.

I will very much admit that gun shows in California are nowhere near as fun as those in Arizona.

 

[Paladin3]

LMFAO the pro nuts love top spread fud. The so called back ground checks are nothing, they are instant and check poorly maintained database. It is not extensive by any means, and their are loop holes such as private sale and gun shows. You can walk to a gun store today and walk about with a weapon of mass murder, capable of killing dozens if not hundreds in seconds.

Also OP please don't get a gun, the gun you buy will likely be used to kill your loved own or another innocent person. Most guns purchased for self defense are never used for such, and instead are used for suicide and murder.

No, the background check does not occur in seconds. The NCIC database is the same database law enforcement uses to run someone for wants and warrants when they stop them in the field. It's far from perfect, but nowhere near as shoddy as you imply.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000), 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). Only 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.LINK

If those numbers are true, and we assume each US gun death in 2013 was from a separate gun, that means that only about .009% of guns in the US were used to murder someone. If we include accidental deaths, suicides and nonfatal injuries, the number goes up to about .032% of guns in the US were used to hurt someone.

Or we could say that 99.968% of guns were NOT used to murder or injury anyone.

I'm not sure those numbers support guns being the weapons of mass murder you claim, even with the gun show loophole. People are NOT "likely" to have their guns used against them or someone they love. It's actually pretty rare.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The guns are taking over. They are becoming self aware and multiplying. We must arm ourselves to fight them!

 

[squirrel dog]

Maybe he only 'thinks' he needs a gun .

 

[Skel]

Yes! That's the most disturbing thing about gun violence in America. ()

Touche

I was trying to say that I find it disturbing that a lot of people debating gun laws don't know what they are. If you just add gun violence into it, you're right, but I was just talking about the debates themselves. Of course I'm one of those people that likes to know what I'm debating before going Holy Warrior on it.

 

[pontifex]

LMFAO the pro nuts love top spread fud. The so called back ground checks are nothing, they are instant and check poorly maintained database. It is not extensive by any means, and their are loop holes such as private sale and gun shows. You can walk to a gun store today and walk about with a weapon of mass murder, capable of killing dozens if not hundreds in seconds.

lmao, anti-gun nutter saying pro-gun people spread FUD. you guys are the champs at it.

 

[CZroe]

LMFAO the pro nuts love top spread fud. The so called back ground checks are nothing, they are instant and check poorly maintained database. It is not extensive by any means, and their are loop holes such as private sale and gun shows. You can walk to a gun store today and walk about with a weapon of mass murder, capable of killing dozens if not hundreds in seconds.

That's funny because it took Chris Kyle about a decade to rack up his 160 kills with actual weapons of war that you can't just pick up at the store "today." Somehow, no one has managed to top his record. Something tells me that you pulled this out of your tiny little rear. Speaking of who is prone to "spread FUD..."

 

[Rakehellion]

You mentioned once that you are schizophrenic. I would hope that that alone would exclude you from purchasing a firearm.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37700270&postcount=13

Schizophrenic with a felony gun crime on his record wants to purchase a gun to protect his family. But who will protect his family from him?