(How) Do divining rods work?

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John Connor

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I just said I had evidence my grandpa had a guy use willow to find water to dig a well. Plus the guy I quoted said he used diving rods and they worked.
 

Gibsons

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Mr. Pedantic

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I just said I had evidence my grandpa had a guy use willow to find water to dig a well. Plus the guy I quoted said he used diving rods and they worked.

That's not evidence.

You are confusing anecdotes with evidence. If your standard of evidence is that low, you're going to have to accept

Reflexology

Astrology

Homeopathy

Magnets!

Tarot cards

Psychics of every flavor

Do you accept all of the above? The evidence for them is essentially the same as that for dowsing.

Dammit, I just had to click on the Magnets link. Now I actually feel dumber...
 

John Connor

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Tarot cards work my aunt and sister read them. Trust me they work... My aunt told me about things in my life that was true and she said my parents would be buying a house and it happened. Most people can't do it right it takes meditation, etc to know how to do it right and she only did it for close friends and relatives.

Psychics are kinda hit and miss some don't know anything and some are damn good I dealt with two who were damn good! If you don't believe me then look at the "evidence" where psychics helped law enforcement to solve crimes. Ever watch John Edward or the Long Island Medium?

Let me just tell you that I knew one that was able to access my password protected laptop just by me thinking of the password.
 
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Gibsons

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Tarot cards work my aunt and sister read them. Trust me they work... My aunt told me about things in my life that was true and she said my parents would be buying a house and it happened. Most people can't do it right it takes meditation, etc to know how to do it right and she only did it for close friends and relatives.

Psychics are kinda hit and miss some don't know anything and some are damn good I dealt with two who were damn good! If you don't believe me then look at the "evidence" where psychics helped law enforcement to solve crimes. Ever watch John Edward or the Long Island Medium?

Let me just tell you that I knew one that was able to access my password protected laptop just by me thinking of the password.

I don't trust you, why should I? Nor do I expect you to trust me.

Find any psychic you like, I'll send them $100 if they can guess the encryption password for the laptop I'm typing from. I'll do them a favor and think of it whenever they like.

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdote
 

John Connor

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It's like being in the Twilight Zone. Unless you experience yourself you won't know and other people will say your full of it and won't believe you. It's like ghosts or aliens once you seen it you will be a believer, but to others they won't believe you. Gotta have an open mind man.

When she guessed my password she had to have her hands on the laptop and I had to think of it. Psychis like to touch things. I don't know what it is they must get a felling or something just from touching an object.
 
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Mr. Pedantic

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Tarot cards work my aunt and sister read them. Trust me they work... My aunt told me about things in my life that was true and she said my parents would be buying a house and it happened. Most people can't do it right it takes meditation, etc to know how to do it right and she only did it for close friends and relatives.

Psychics are kinda hit and miss some don't know anything and some are damn good I dealt with two who were damn good! If you don't believe me then look at the "evidence" where psychics helped law enforcement to solve crimes. Ever watch John Edward or the Long Island Medium?

Let me just tell you that I knew one that was able to access my password protected laptop just by me thinking of the password.
Wow. Just...wow.

Have you watched the Mentalist, by any chance?

It's like being in the Twilight Zone. Unless you experience yourself you won't know and other people will say your full of it and won't believe you. It's like ghosts or aliens once you seen it you will be a believer, but to others they won't believe you. Gotta have an open mind man.

When she guessed my password she had to have her hands on the laptop and I had to think of it. Psychis like to touch things. I don't know what it is they must get a felling or something just from touching an object.

These are your beliefs and you have every right to believe whatever you want. But I see no reason to believe anything you say unless you provide some kind of evidence that doesn't involve "my [insert relative here] has seen it work".
 

DrPizza

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There isn't any real such thing as psychic ability. If anyone feels that they are genuinely psychic, there's a million dollar prize waiting for them.
 

intx13

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I just said I had evidence my grandpa had a guy use willow to find water to dig a well. Plus the guy I quoted said he used diving rods and they worked.

This is what we call an observation, not evidence. An individual observation can be accurate, inaccurate, misleading, or flat-out fake. To weigh the value of somebody's observation we have to weigh the strength of their personal testimony, compare their observation to the body of validated observations, consider the circumstances, think of alternate explanations, and so on.

Eventually we develop a collection of observations that are well-understood and validated. Those can be considered evidence for or against any particular theory.

In your case, you should consider your observation and determine if it's strong enough to be included in the body of knowledge for or against magical abilities. For example, I know a very nifty card trick where it appears that I can control your mind into picking certain cards from a deck. If you observed this trick, would you consider it evidence that I'm telekinetic? Probably not, because you've probably seen tons of card tricks.

But I doubt you've seen as many dowsers as you have card tricks. The thing is, there are people who've seen tons of dowsers. And every single one of these people who have observed dowsers under test have concluded that, like card tricks, it's not really magic.

So your choice is this: consider your extremely limited observations of dowsing to be evidence that dowsing works, despite being far more rational when it comes to things like card tricks, or trust people that study these things all day every day, assume that your one observation was a clever gimmick that you can't explain, and put your faith in science.
 

Munashiimaru

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People say they don't work, however ive seen them work first hand on farms a few times with no records of underground pipes(we checked with the city first) and the rods were over 90% accurate, and the guy using them had no way to find out before hand where the pipes were as we called him and he showed up a few hours later and we were in the field the whole time so no chance for him to bring in underground sonar or anything.

Hard to disbelieve something you have seen work flawlessly with your own eyes.

How accurate do you think someone experienced or even not in working with underground pipes would be just making best guesses? 90%? Did you keep a running tally of that?
 

Matt1970

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There isn't any real such thing as psychic ability. If anyone feels that they are genuinely psychic, there's a million dollar prize waiting for them.

Next time you see one of those so-called "psychics" walk up and slap them in the face. Then tell them if they were a true psychic they would have seen that coming.
 

AD5MB

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the psychic hotline does not call you and say "You will be using Visa number 1234....."?
 

tcsenter

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How accurate do you think someone experienced or even not in working with underground pipes would be just making best guesses? 90%? Did you keep a running tally of that?
Friend of my family used to own a contracting and excavating company, he's in his 70s now. They did a lot of everything, but specialized in utility stuff for decades, water mains, electrical lines, gas lines, and all that.

He could survey any parcel of land on foot and just tell you the most likely locations of things like water mains and gas lines would have been placed, if they were there, with a pretty good success rate. He could even "see" tell-tale signs of prior construction or excavation that anyone else (including lesser experienced equipment operators) just thought was a natural feature of the land, or whatever.

No magic involved. Just a lot of experience, extensive knowledge of the practices in the region, and things like code or regs. e.g. where a prior contractor might have decided against placing a water main or gas line, or have re-routed it, due to some feature of the land, even though it departed from the plan. He was even familiar with antiquated practices that may have been customary 50 years prior but nobody did anymore due to regulations or whatever.
 
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Broheim

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Friend of my family used to own a contracting and excavating company, he's in his 70s now. They did a lot of everything, but specialized in utility stuff for decades, water mains, electrical lines, gas lines, and all that.

He could survey any parcel of land on foot and just tell you the most likely locations of things like water mains and gas lines would have been placed, if they were there, with a pretty good success rate. He could even "see" tell-tale signs of prior construction or excavation that anyone else (including lesser experienced equipment operators) just thought was a natural feature of the land, or whatever.

No magic involved. Just a lot of experience, extensive knowledge of the practices in the region, and things like code or regs. e.g. where a prior contractor might have decided against placing a water main or gas line, or have re-routed it, due to some feature of the land, even though it departed from the plan. He was even familiar with antiquated practices that may have been customary 50 years prior but nobody did anymore due to regulations or whatever.

you see this kind of thing an all fields, a master craftsman or whatever who seems to have a 6th sense through his extensive knowledge and experience. There's nothing magical about it.

honestly I think divining rods just got started as an inside joke on the new guys, kind of like how older carpenters will ask the newbie for the lefthand screwdriver or a spare bubble for the bubble level or some other silly thing.
the joke just got a little out of hand.
 

silverpig

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you see this kind of thing an all fields, a master craftsman or whatever who seems to have a 6th sense through his extensive knowledge and experience. There's nothing magical about it.

honestly I think divining rods just got started as an inside joke on the new guys, kind of like how older carpenters will ask the newbie for the lefthand screwdriver or a spare bubble for the bubble level or some other silly thing.
the joke just got a little out of hand.

My uncle (in construction) bought/made my dad (also in construction) a special hammer for his birthday one year. He went and bought a cheap wood-handled hammer from the hardware store, drilled a hole into the end of the handle, and epoxied in an air compressor nozzle fitting.

He was gonna bring it to work and tell one of the new guys to go use the "air hammer" to see what happened
 

AD5MB

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honestly I think divining rods just got started as an inside joke on the new guys, kind of like how older carpenters will ask the newbie for the lefthand screwdriver or a spare bubble for the bubble level or some other silly thing. the joke just got a little out of hand.

the second book printed on a printing press ( first was the Bible ) was De Re Metallica,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_re_metallica

a treatise on detecting and mining minerals. this was also the first book to have "Dowser uses divining rod A to detect..."

they are wearing hoods because in those days mining was done by monks.

De Re Metallica was translated into English by a young mining engineer named Herbert Hoover.

 
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flotsam1

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Divining rods DO work. For years, I have used a couple of pieces of bent wire coat hanger to find underground pipes and conduits. Many times, I have found buried services which have not been located by sophisticated equipment or have been wrongly indicated on drawings. It does not seem to matter what the pipe material or content is. It does not seem to matter if I am wearing rubber-soled shoes or other footware with electrical insulating properties. It does not seem to matter if a trench was dug and, after consideration, the pipe was laid elsewhere and the trench was backfilled. It does not matter if the work was completed fifty years ago. My theory is that the dessicated material at the surface of the earth has, by natural process, been laid in a general orientation with the magnetic poles. In addition, the atmosphere is mainly composed of ionized gases. The dessicated materials, sea water and other surface materials are mostly ionized compounds and, as such, are like little magnets. So, you could illustrate this phenomonum by drawing lines parallel to longitudinal lines on the earth's surface. The lines will deviate from the parallel, due to the deviation of the earth's magnetic field, as shown on marine charts. The ionized compounds in the atmosphere, adjacent to the ground will orient themselves roughly parallel to the lines of longitude. If you then dig a trench, you will disturb this natural rythm and cause an electromagnetic potential, in the soil, from one side of the trench to the other. In reaction, the immediately adjacent atmospheric compounds must reorient themselves to align with this anomaly. The human body is polarized. There are quite strong differences in polarity between one side and the other. When you walk across a disturbance while holding a bent rod in each hand, the abrupt interaction between your polarity and the disturbed properties of the air and soil adjacent to the backfilled trench causes the rods to turn. Ususlly the rods consistently turn towards each other but, in some cases, consistently turn away from each other. I am a retired Professional Engineer and I would have no hesitation in demonstrating the effectiveness of this technique to any of the sceptics. So, while I know it does not work for some, it will for most. Initially, when I witnessed someone using this technique, I was derisive. I soon became a convert. Since then, I have chosen unknown areas, worn blind folds, avoided indications which could initiate preconception and tested the system time and again so that now I can say without any hesitation: Divining rods DO work.
 

SMOGZINN

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Since then, I have chosen unknown areas, worn blind folds, avoided indications which could initiate preconception and tested the system time and again so that now I can say without any hesitation: Divining rods DO work.

So, I guess you just don't want the million dollars that is on offer to anyone that can prove dowsing rods work?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Dowsing is specifically listed as a paranormal ability that would be eligible for the prize.
 

SecurityTheatre

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Divining rods DO work. For years, I have used a couple of pieces of bent wire coat hanger to find underground pipes and conduits. Many times, I have found buried services which have not been located by sophisticated equipment or have been wrongly indicated on drawings. It does not seem to matter what the pipe material or content is. It does not seem to matter if I am wearing rubber-soled shoes or other footware with electrical insulating properties. It does not seem to matter if a trench was dug and, after consideration, the pipe was laid elsewhere and the trench was backfilled. It does not matter if the work was completed fifty years ago. My theory is that the dessicated material at the surface of the earth has, by natural process, been laid in a general orientation with the magnetic poles. In addition, the atmosphere is mainly composed of ionized gases. The dessicated materials, sea water and other surface materials are mostly ionized compounds and, as such, are like little magnets. So, you could illustrate this phenomonum by drawing lines parallel to longitudinal lines on the earth's surface. The lines will deviate from the parallel, due to the deviation of the earth's magnetic field, as shown on marine charts. The ionized compounds in the atmosphere, adjacent to the ground will orient themselves roughly parallel to the lines of longitude. If you then dig a trench, you will disturb this natural rythm and cause an electromagnetic potential, in the soil, from one side of the trench to the other. In reaction, the immediately adjacent atmospheric compounds must reorient themselves to align with this anomaly. The human body is polarized. There are quite strong differences in polarity between one side and the other. When you walk across a disturbance while holding a bent rod in each hand, the abrupt interaction between your polarity and the disturbed properties of the air and soil adjacent to the backfilled trench causes the rods to turn. Ususlly the rods consistently turn towards each other but, in some cases, consistently turn away from each other. I am a retired Professional Engineer and I would have no hesitation in demonstrating the effectiveness of this technique to any of the sceptics. So, while I know it does not work for some, it will for most. Initially, when I witnessed someone using this technique, I was derisive. I soon became a convert. Since then, I have chosen unknown areas, worn blind folds, avoided indications which could initiate preconception and tested the system time and again so that now I can say without any hesitation: Divining rods DO work.

OK.

Sure.

Are you a wealthy man?
 
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