How do hospitals get away with having volunteers?

Leros

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I was at a hospital today and several of the workers were teenage volunteers. A girl at the front desk, a girl handling paperwork in another area, and a girl who was cleaning up a patient room.

I remember a couple of my friends volunteered at the local hospital back when I was in high school.

How is it legal for a business to let volunteers do what would normally be a paid job?
 

sourceninja

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I was at a hospital today and several of the workers were teenage volunteers. A girl at the front desk, a girl handling paperwork in another area, and a girl who was cleaning up a patient room.

I remember a couple of my friends volunteered at the local hospital back when I was in high school.

How is it legal for a business to let volunteers do what would normally be a paid job?

How do I get away with not paying my interns to write code that I should be paying a programmer to do?
 

Leros

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How do I get away with not paying my interns to write code that I should be paying a programmer to do?

I've never of heard of unpaid internships for software engineers.

I also find it weird that unpaid internships are legal.
 

Leros

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If they hired them to do the exact same job and paid them $5/hr, they would be breaking minimum wage laws. But somehow having them do the job for free is legal. Doesn't make sense.
 

Bignate603

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How is it legal for a business to let volunteers do what would normally be a paid job?

Easy, they volunteer to do it. There's no law that says they need to pay somebody if the are willing to do it for free. Minimum wage only comes into effect if its a paid position.
 

Leros

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Easy, they volunteer to do it. There's no law that says they need to pay somebody if the are willing to do it for free. Minimum wage only comes into effect if its a paid position.

I don't understand that. So, I can volunteer to work for $0, but not for $3. That's stupid.
 

Gibson486

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From what I read, it would be legal to have an unpaid intern and have them do useless work to evaluate them. If you have them do useful work, you would have to pay them.

http://community.sba.gov/community/...s-law-advisor/truth-behind-unpaid-internships

They are legal. You are being paid by getting experience that you would otherwise not get. It's only illegal if the internship ever gets in the way of school or other jobs (ie, you work more than 24 hours) or they are being used in place of paid workers. Also, you can't pay them $3 an our. Either you pay them minimum wage or you do not pay them at all.
 

her209

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You can (effectively) choose to work $3/hr. Get paid. Donate earned excess of $3/hr to charity.
 

Juked07

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I think the OP should volunteer somewhere, it would give him some insight into this.

Meh.. I volunteered quite a bit, especially in HS. If anything it made the whole idea more trivial in my mind. Tons of people who just needed to write things on college apps, etc, not really contributing anything.

Edit: If it's not clear, I wasn't all that altruistic in my motivations either. I did contribute though. To what extent do motivations vs contributions matter?
 

her209

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Meh.. I volunteered quite a bit, especially in HS. If anything it made the whole idea more trivial in my mind. Tons of people who just needed to write things on college apps, etc, not really contributing anything.

Edit: If it's not clear, I wasn't all that altruistic in my motivations either. I did contribute though. To what extent do motivations vs contributions matter?
During my time in high school, students were offered training on filling out a 1040EZ/A and 540EZ/A. We then got to skip class for an entire day and fill them out for people from the local community who needed help.

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Leros

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I think the OP should volunteer somewhere, it would give him some insight into this.

I've done plenty of volunteering for worthy causes.

It's weird when you see two receptionists doing the exact same job. One is full-time and paid. The other works 10 hours a week for free. Same job.

It would be like "volunteering" as a cashier at a grocery store while every other casheir is a paid employee. Volunteering doesn't mean doing a normal job for free.

They're basically exploiting teenagers who need volunteer hours for free labor.
 
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Sunburn74

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The volunteer work is non critical. Thats how they get away with it. (thought the cleaning up a patients room is highly questionable activity)

Most volunteers I've come across either man stations where they give people directions, offer then snacks, do things like translate for families who don't speak english well (for non critical things, like in the cafetaria or the parking garage, not for talking with doctors about medical problems). The most I've ever seen is they can sometimes wheel patients down from their rooms only when they are being discharged home and even then they need training before they are allowed.

Like I said, non critical jobs that if all the volunteers called in sick would go on without anyone noticing they all called in sick. (there are already professional direction givers, already professional translaters, already professional wheelers of patients and more then enough to do the job on any given day)

To be honest, most of these volunteers (assuming they are doing it because they are interested in medicine or hospital work of some sort) would be better of just finding a doctor who works in the hospital and asking if they can shadow him regularly. Then they'd be in operating rooms and cathether suites seeing (but not touching) cool stuff rather than doing work that no one really cares about or would miss if they were utterly useless at it.
 

Bignate603

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I've done plenty of volunteering for worthy causes.

It's weird when you see two receptionists doing the exact same job. One is full-time and paid. The other works 10 hours a week for free. Same job.

It would be like "volunteering" as a cashier at a grocery store while every other casheir is a paid employee. Volunteering doesn't mean doing a normal job for free.

They're basically exploiting teenagers who need volunteer hours for free labor.

It used to be that people thought of healthcare as something to help others, not just an opportunity to make money.

Personally, I'd love to see more people volunteer to help at hospitals. It would bring down our healthcare costs.
 

AreaCode707

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I've done plenty of volunteering for worthy causes.

It's weird when you see two receptionists doing the exact same job. One is full-time and paid. The other works 10 hours a week for free. Same job.

It would be like "volunteering" as a cashier at a grocery store while every other casheir is a paid employee. Volunteering doesn't mean doing a normal job for free.

They're basically exploiting teenagers who need volunteer hours for free labor.
But one of those receptionists knows her job and has a value on the market. The other has no experience and no skills and is learning and gaining from the training and hands-on work that they could not get elsewhere if they looked for a paid job.

Volunteer work and unpaid internships will help you go from being pretty much worthless to a company to having a value the company is willing to pay for. You are being compensated, by gaining the job experience you need to be employable.
 
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