How do people NOT know how to swim?

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Adrenaline

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Learn how to swim - Do not end up like Joe Delaney. He died during one of the summers that I taught swimming at the local pool.

MotionMan

Great read.

To the OP, some people just never get near a swimming pool. Another reason could be that someone who could swim played to much with someone who couldn't and attempted to "dunk" them in the pool, thus making them hate water even more.
 

nickbits

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The concept of not learning to swim is absurd to me. I think it should be required to pass a swim test in gym class at some point.

Growing up around lakes and rivers in the Midwest, and the oceans when I've lived on the coasts, I just don't understand how some people have never been in a position where they've needed to swim...even if only in the pool at a rec center.

Schools have pools?
 

bignateyk

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All you have to do is flail your arms around. I mean it helps if you do it in a coordinated fashion, but you aren't going to drown as long as you keep flailing.

It seems like it would just be common sense anyway.
 

kranky

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I can't swim. Never had a pool, never had friends with a pool, never went to a pool. Don't have a boat.

I suppose I could take lessons, but why?
 

DT4K

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Thats debatable. Put a infant in water and it just might start dog paddling as well. After all, we all spent 9 months in a space filled with liquid. I dont see how we as humans dont have the instinct to swim.
You realize there's nowhere to go in there, right? Thus no swimming required. I've read about teaching infants to swim by just putting them in the water and letting the instincts take over. But like other instincts, I suspect you lose them when you don't have an opportunity to use them for awhile.

All you have to do is flail your arms around. I mean it helps if you do it in a coordinated fashion, but you aren't going to drown as long as you keep flailing.

It seems like it would just be common sense anyway.

For those of us who know how to swim, it seems incredibly easy and natural, but I think it requires more skill than you think.

Randomly flailing your arms around will not keep you from drowning. It's not just helpful to do it in a coordinated fashion, it's absolutely essential. Just flailing without any coordination is as likely to push you under the water as keep you above it.

It does seem like common sense. Push the water down to keep yourself up. But when someone who doesn't know how to swim ends up in the water, they panic and common sense isn't that common.
 

darkxshade

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I can't swim and took lessons last year. My body has a problem with floating... no matter how hard I try my legs keep dragging down into the water if I don't paddle them. I'm told I have a dense body @ 170lbs with 10% bodyfat.
 

DT4K

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We had a pool at my highschool. We had to take 2 semesters of swimming in order to graduate.

It really sucked because they didn't heat the pool.

Most of the high schools in my hometown didn't have pools, but they all had a swim team and nearby rec centers. My high school had a YMCA literally across the street. I was on the swim team my junior and senior years.
 

MotionMan

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Learn how to swim - Do not end up like Joe Delaney. He died during one of the summers that I taught swimming at the local pool.

MotionMan

And it comes full-circle:

Chiefs TE Leonard Pope saves boy's life

Tuesday, June 14, 2011
Leonard Pope saves boy's life
ESPN.com news services

Kansas City Chiefs tight end Leonard Pope, whose nickname is "Champ," lived up to the moniker last weekend when he saved a 6-year-old boy from drowning in a swimming pool.

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I wasn't waiting on anyone else ... to try to pull him out. I just felt because I have kids of my own I would want someone to do that for my kids, also.

” -- Leonard Pope

The Chiefs' backup tight end on Saturday saved the son of a longtime friend from drowning in his hometown of Americus, Ga.

"My heart dropped. It could have been any child ... I just knew I had to do something," Pope said in an interview with "ESPN First Take" on Tuesday. "I wasn't waiting on anyone else ... to try to pull him out. I just felt because I have kids of my own I would want someone to do that for my kids, also."
According to his bio on the Chiefs' website, Pope has two young daughters.

The boy's mother, Anne Moore, told the Americus Times Recorder that Pope was the only person at the party who knew how to swim. Pope said he learned how to swim when he was 9 or 10 years old.

"He saved my son's life, and I am so thankful that he was there for me and my child," she told the newspaper.

Pope jumped into the pool -- wearing all of his clothes, "cell phone, wallet and everything" -- and pulled her son, Bryson, from the water.

"I was coming out of the house, I heard Anne cry. She was like 'get, get him, he's drowning!' I couldn't see Bryson. All I could see was his fingertips at the top of the water and I couldn't see his head," Pope said.

The NFL's lockout turned out to be good fortune for Moore and her son.
"The fact that he is normally at camp and could have been in Kansas City just proved to me that he was placed here to save my son from drowning, and I thank God that he was here," she told the newspaper. "He truly lived up to his nickname 'Champ' because he was truly a champion for me and my son this past weekend."

The Chiefs are an organization that has dealt with a similar tragedy. It was 28 years ago this month that star running back Joe Delaney drowned while trying to save three children from drowning in a Louisiana pond. Two of the children died.

It's summer time for most kids, learn how to swim and send your kids to lessons.

MotionMan
 

lord_emperor

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If you've ever taken a small dog and held it just above the surface of a pool, it instinctively begins the dog paddle motion. Humans don't have this instinct.

Consider it similar to the footage of Iraqi/Afghani soldiers trying to do jumping jacks for the first time.

Actually human babies do the same thing.
 

Linflas

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Meh. when I was in basic we had 4 people in my company that had to take swimming lessons. They were all black. I think it was much more relevant that they were inner city.

Ive often wondered who the hell would join the USN when they didn't know how to swim.

When we did the swim test in Navy boot camp a black guy managed to get away with taking the test for another black guy that didn't know how to swim. We were all amazed they got away with it as well as wondering if cheating on a swimming test in the Navy was a smart move.
 

IronWing

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Swimming is the same the world over. Culture has nothing to do with it. You just hold the space bar down.
 

Anubis

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having grown up on the east coast i find it silly people dont know how to swim, i knew before i was 5

everyone who owns a pool should be required to take lessions so they can at least do teh doggie paddle or side stroke
 

Svnla

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There were six young folks that drown nearby here last year because they could not swim. One of them felt into the river bank and others were trying to save him. Sad.

Link = http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-02/...wning_1_nonswimming-deep-water-teens?_s=PM:US


I guess I learn how to swim on my own when I was little (love to swim) so I never thought it was a big deal. All you have to do is do NOT panic, stay calm, steadily moving your arms and legs to keep your face over the water line. You don't have to be the next Michael Phelp but at least stay alive until help can arrive.

I don't believe that a person "can not" learn how to swim. You may take a longer time to do it but it can be done IMO. Swiming and playing in the water are a lot of fun, especially in the summer.
 
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QueBert

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I've known plenty of people don't know how to swim. I would imagine most never learned because it wasn't important. When you're struggling just to survive learning how to tread in water probably isn't going to be high on your to do list.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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everyone who owns a pool should be required to take lessions so they can at least do teh doggie paddle or side stroke
Yeah, cause, I mean, who doesn't have their very own pool?
 

davmat787

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I don't know how to swim, and it was my primary source of embarrassment growing up.

When I was very young, I had a very traumatic event where I almost drowned, I can still feel the water filling up my nose and going down my throat. The odd thing is, I love being ON the water, but not in it. The feeling of not having terra firma underneath me is an uncomfortable one.

Now that I am older, I have been thinking more and more of taking private 1:1 swim lessons. I have always told myself that once I am proficient with swimming, I will reward myself with SCUBA lessons. I have also been thinking of taking a trip to Hawaii by myself to learn how to swim, among other things, with an instructor of course in a pool.

I don't have the tremendous fear of water so much now days, it has just become something I have not dealt with, but will.

Almost everyone has a phobia, mine is of the aquatic kind. A thread regarding everyone's phobias would be interesting.
 

Cookie

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I think it's an important skill to learn. Usually people take lessons when they are young. If parents don't care or can't afford it, kids don't take lessons and don't know how to swim. As they get older, they usually still don't think it is important enough of a skill to learn.

My ex boyfriend died at 20 years because he didn't know how to swim. Easily preventable death.
 

coldmeat

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^ no need for lessons. When I was a kid we would just go to the beach or the neighbours pool and I would wear floaties until one day my parents just decided I was old enough and took them off.
 

MrDudeMan

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same way it seems preposterous someone doesn't know how to read

This argument and all others even remotely similar to it are stupid and not relevant. Learning how to swim is nothing like learning how to read. It is much more appropriate to compare swimming to walking. Yes, you have to learn each thing, but it can happen naturally and without needing any knowledge of a man-made construct. You just do it and that's it. Saying you don't know how to swim just means your parents never took the time to train you how to do a very simple thing. It can be scary, but that's also a very stupid excuse. Look around you - see the other 5 billion people doing it? Being scared of something so widely practiced is basically the definition of stupidity in my book. Not doing it because you don't want to is another story.
 

MotionMan

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I don't know how to swim, and it was my primary source of embarrassment growing up.

When I was very young, I had a very traumatic event where I almost drowned, I can still feel the water filling up my nose and going down my throat. The odd thing is, I love being ON the water, but not in it. The feeling of not having terra firma underneath me is an uncomfortable one.

Now that I am older, I have been thinking more and more of taking private 1:1 swim lessons. I have always told myself that once I am proficient with swimming, I will reward myself with SCUBA lessons. I have also been thinking of taking a trip to Hawaii by myself to learn how to swim, among other things, with an instructor of course in a pool.

I don't have the tremendous fear of water so much now days, it has just become something I have not dealt with, but will.

Almost everyone has a phobia, mine is of the aquatic kind. A thread regarding everyone's phobias would be interesting.

Reminded me of this:



MotionMan
 

SlitheryDee

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I don't really understand it either. You wave your arms and legs around to push against the water. I can't remember ever failing to at least get that as a concept. It's something that you can visualize working in your mind and then try and discover that it works more or less exactly how you visualized it. There's no high-level technique involved in simply staying afloat and moving in a direction you want. All technique does is make you more efficient at it.
 
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