How do people NOT know how to swim?

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MotionMan

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Sorry, I forgot the rule that says everyone posting on ATOT has to be bizarrely over-aggressive for no sane reason. Goodbye.

Well, you do appear to be full of crap: I have NEVER heard of someone drowning while while practicing or learning how to swim (I taught swim lessons, BTW).

Where did you hear this?

MotionMan
 

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Well, you do appear to be full of crap: I have NEVER heard of someone drowning while while practicing or learning how to swim (I taught swim lessons, BTW).

Where did you hear this?

MotionMan

OK, apologies for petulantly attempting to storm out of thread. But, jeez, why can't someone have an obviously tongue-in-cheek argument on this forum without someone appearing to get angry about it?

I can only say I hear far, far more frequently about people drowning after _voluntarily_ entering a swimming pool, lake or river, than I do about anyone doing so after unintentionally falling into it. There are often stories about, for example, tragedies where children have gotten stuck in improperly secured water drainage parts of swimming pools. Or who have tried to swim a river or a lake and gotten into difficulty.

Why would you voluntarily enter a pool or a lake exept in order to practice swimming? And I mean 'practice' in the sense of 'practice law' or 'practice medicine'.

Round here the only body of water I ever go near is the river and the chance of accidentally falling in is tiny, and for much of the year its cold enough to kill you even if you can swim. But I can swim, anyway. At least I could the last time I went anywhere near a pool.

The only exception I can think of is when people dive in to save someone else who volunatirly got in. Granted, thats a valid argument for knowing how to swim.
 

MotionMan

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Not everybody lives near water or goes boating...

Or ever plans on going on vacation? Or having kids?

Where do these people live?

BTW, how far is it from their house to a body of water that is about 10 feet by 10 feet and about 6 feet deep?

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

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OK, apologies for petulantly attempting to storm out of thread. But, jeez, why can't someone have an obviously tongue-in-cheek argument on this forum without someone appearing to get angry about it?

I did not catch that you were trying to be funny.

Why would you voluntarily enter a pool or a lake exept in order to practice swimming? And I mean 'practice' in the sense of 'practice law' or 'practice medicine'.

I do not get how your are using the term 'practice'. You know people play in the water for fun, or are you being tongue in cheek again?

Round here the only body of water I ever go near is the river and the chance of accidentally falling in is tiny,

Yet the chance does exist.

The only exception I can think of is when people dive in to save someone else who volunatirly got in. Granted, thats a valid argument for knowing how to swim.

Not only is it valid, it is predominant in my mind. Imagine watching someone die and there was nothing you could do about it. now imagine how that would feel if you could have saved them if only you had learned how to swim.

IMO, generally speaking, all arguments against learning how to swim or invalid.

MotionMan
 
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My brain is full of fuck when it comes to people who dont know how to swim.

Discuss.
Easy:

You don't learn.
You know people can drown.
You get in the water, probably against your will.
It's a surprise.
You are now incapable of thinking clearly.
You are afraid.
You panic.
You thrash around and push yourself under.
You drown.
 

SKORPI0

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When i was in Navy bootcamp there were about 60 of us in our company and id say a good 10-15 were black. When we got the swimming portion of training i shit you not, not one single black person passed the swimming test. But every single white person did. I always though it was some stupid stereotype but that was enough living proof for me that its true



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HockeyVancouver

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Why do I need to learn? I hate swimming. I hate the exercise it provides, I hate the socialisation, the horribly revealing swimsuits, the stupid pool games. I don't go near water. I won't ride on boats of any size for any reason, and frankly if it comes down to magically becoming comfortable in water above my waist without a life-vest, or just accepting it as God's will that it's my time, I see nothing wrong with it being my time. If humans were meant to swim, we'd be born with the ability. I'll stick to hockey. LOL.
If I did learn, I would still wear a life-vest, still panic, would still claim I couldn't swim and would avoid the water like a plague- certainly I would never practise thereby losing the skill as quickly as I had acquired it. I don't understand this fun you are describing. Being cold and wet is miserable, games are for kids younger than 7, the chlorine dries out your skin... forget it. Not worth it.
But I do realise that this acceptance of unnecessary failure is baffling at kindest to you swimmers. It's merely unimportant to some of us. Think of it as natural selection.
 

preslove

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Why do I need to learn? I hate swimming. I hate the exercise it provides, I hate the socialisation, the horribly revealing swimsuits, the stupid pool games. I don't go near water. I won't ride on boats of any size for any reason, and frankly if it comes down to magically becoming comfortable in water above my waist without a life-vest, or just accepting it as God's will that it's my time, I see nothing wrong with it being my time. If humans were meant to swim, we'd be born with the ability. I'll stick to hockey. LOL.
If I did learn, I would still wear a life-vest, still panic, would still claim I couldn't swim and would avoid the water like a plague- certainly I would never practise thereby losing the skill as quickly as I had acquired it. I don't understand this fun you are describing. Being cold and wet is miserable, games are for kids younger than 7, the chlorine dries out your skin... forget it. Not worth it.
But I do realise that this acceptance of unnecessary failure is baffling at kindest to you swimmers. It's merely unimportant to some of us. Think of it as natural selection.

You make me sad
 

MotionMan

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Why do I need to learn? I hate swimming. I hate the exercise it provides, I hate the socialisation, the horribly revealing swimsuits, the stupid pool games. I don't go near water. I won't ride on boats of any size for any reason, and frankly if it comes down to magically becoming comfortable in water above my waist without a life-vest, or just accepting it as God's will that it's my time, I see nothing wrong with it being my time. If humans were meant to swim, we'd be born with the ability. I'll stick to hockey. LOL.
If I did learn, I would still wear a life-vest, still panic, would still claim I couldn't swim and would avoid the water like a plague- certainly I would never practise thereby losing the skill as quickly as I had acquired it. I don't understand this fun you are describing. Being cold and wet is miserable, games are for kids younger than 7, the chlorine dries out your skin... forget it. Not worth it.
But I do realise that this acceptance of unnecessary failure is baffling at kindest to you swimmers. It's merely unimportant to some of us. Think of it as natural selection.

Bolded LOL.

(BTW, you have a very narrow view of swimming and water play.)

MotionMan
 

QueBert

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One of my friends Grandma's is like 90 years old and she's never been around water. I invited her with us to the beach last week and she went on to tell me how she doesn't like water and hadn't even ever been around a swimming pool. I would say her learning to swim early in her life would have been a waste of time. I'm wondering about these situations where non swimmers who don't go around water are magically not only going to be around water, but also be in it and starting to drown. Maybe I should learn to sky dive just in case I get pushed out of a plane with a chute on (note I'll never be on a plane in my life)
 

MotionMan

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One of my friends Grandma's is like 90 years old and she's never been around water. I invited her with us to the beach last week and she went on to tell me how she doesn't like water

Probably because she never learned how to swim.

and hadn't even ever been around a swimming pool. I would say her learning to swim early in her life would have been a waste of time.

Who knows how many invitations to the beach or pool parties she turned down in 90 years because she "did not like water" (i.e. did not know how to swim). Sad.

I'm wondering about these situations where non swimmers who don't go around water are magically not only going to be around water, but also be in it and starting to drown.

It happens enough that it seems silly to not learn how to swim.

Maybe I should learn to sky dive just in case I get pushed out of a plane with a chute on

I agree. I think you should.

(note I'll never be on a plane in my life)

How do you know that? Are you going to die today?

MotionMan
 

MrDudeMan

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I didn't actually meant to bold anything... No idea how I did that.

He bolded it to point out the irony in your comments.

lol @ the people who are defending their right to remain retards without the ability to swim. I'll come right out and say it - if you can't do it and you think there's no good reason to, you are a moron. If you can't do it, but you aren't making any excuses, that's fine.
 

QueBert

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Probably because she never learned how to swim.



Who knows how many invitations to the beach or pool parties she turned down in 90 years because she "did not like water" (i.e. did not know how to swim). Sad.

MotionMan

Well seeing how she's black and pretty much all her friends are black, and I've never had a black person invite me to a pool party. I bet the number's somewhere around 5, and that's probably way to high of an estimate.


He bolded it to point out the irony in your comments.

lol @ the people who are defending their right to remain retards without the ability to swim. I'll come right out and say it - if you can't do it and you think there's no good reason to, you are a moron. If you can't do it, but you aren't making any excuses, that's fine.

So by your logic a person would be dumb if they didn't learn how to do just about anything they might never do? There's obviously no good reason for a person to learn who knows they'll never be around water. I don't know how to ice skate, why? Because I know I'll never in my life be around ice and/or have the desire to do it. Name a single good reason for a person to learn how to swim who will never be around water?
 
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MrDudeMan

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One of my friends Grandma's is like 90 years old and she's never been around water. I invited her with us to the beach last week and she went on to tell me how she doesn't like water and hadn't even ever been around a swimming pool. I would say her learning to swim early in her life would have been a waste of time. I'm wondering about these situations where non swimmers who don't go around water are magically not only going to be around water, but also be in it and starting to drown. Maybe I should learn to sky dive just in case I get pushed out of a plane with a chute on (note I'll never be on a plane in my life)

Why are you even contributing to this thread? If you are stupid enough to make a statement like that, I'm sure no one cares about your other phobia-driven opinions.

You should stop typing immediately lest you get carpel tunnel syndrome.
 

MotionMan

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Well seeing how she's black and pretty much all her friends are black, and I've never had a black person invite me to a pool party. I bet the number's somewhere around 5, and that's probably way to high of an estimate.

I am not surprised that a 90 year old black woman did not learn how to swim as a child.

That does not make it smart for people to not learn how to swim in 2012.

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

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So by your logic a person would be dumb if they didn't learn how to do just about anything they might never do? There's obviously no good reason for a person to learn who knows they'll never be around water. I don't know how to ice skate, why? Because I know I'll never in my life be around ice and/or have the desire to do it. Name a single good reason for a person to learn how to swim who will never be around water?

Knowing how to swim is lifesaving skill. Everyone should strive to learn lifesaving skills. Swimming is an easy one.

And how do you know you will never fly or be near ice? How old are you?

MotionMan
 

QueBert

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Why are you even contributing to this thread? If you are stupid enough to make a statement like that, I'm sure no one cares about your other phobia-driven opinions.

You should stop typing immediately lest you get carpel tunnel syndrome.

It's not phobia driven, I just don't care to travel anywhere. I live in the perfect place and have no desires to go anywhere I couldn't get by car. Believe it or not some people never learn how to swim not out of fear, but out of they don't want to learn. I know how to swim but I've never actually needed to rely on it. It's a useless, but fun thing to me. For anyone who doesn't have interest in it, just the useless part would apply.



Knowing how to swim is lifesaving skill. Everyone should strive to learn lifesaving skills. Swimming is an easy one.

And how do you know you will never fly or be near ice? How old are you?

MotionMan

I know I'll never because I have no desire too, I hate cold so for that reason alone I'll never be around ice. And flying is just meh to me because there's nowhere of interest for me to fly.
 
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