How do you carry a gun while jogging?

[Dr. Zaus]

Not a whole lot of jobs in semi-rural locations, particularly within a given specialty.

I agree. But nothing in your life is forcing you to be a head-shop owner or professor of cheese sciences.

Try to go jogging to psychologist office without a gun first....

Some people don't understand that a human life, even the life of someone that is desperately in need, is more valuable than your credit-cards are.

So why are there millions of people living in metro ghettos?

Psychological poverty of hope. People don't know that accepting government subsidies to live on-top of each-other is a means of abusing their children and perpetuating a situation that could be better.

Without hope people are violent and fail to look for solutions.

I lived in a poor and ignorant place, so I moved. Now i'm on a 1&1/2 acre lot in big house in the best part of a 100k person city. If I had been taught to 'stay in my place' as so many of those that I lived near had been taught, then I would just feed back into the cycle of ignorance and poverty.

 

[Gintaras]

LOLAmerica.

We're all living in America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFVdvXGIT34

 

[Away]

LOLAmerica.

lol @ you following your brother out the door here

 

[eits]

lol @ you following your brother out the door here

burn

 

[Away]

burn

You mad? Were you going down on GA or something?

 

[Juked07]

@alk and others who seem to support the idea of carrying while running:

Carrying anything - even the size of a wallet or phone - is quite a pain when running. Carrying something as heavy as a gun (several times the weight of the typical wallet or phone) would be quite costly in inconvenience terms.

For carrying to be the right choice while jogging, the probability of being accosted and the cost of the encounter must be very very high. I would be shocked if any male on here has a utility function such that it would be maximizing to carry while jogging. It is much more pleasant to run free of unnecessary objects, make reasonable route choices to minimize the chance of unfortunate encounters, and possess neither the material wealth nor female body most aggressors would be looking for.

For a woman, both the probability of unpleasant unwanted experiences, and the cost associated with them, is much higher. I haven't spent much time thinking from that perspective, so I can't speak definitively about their situation. But I suspect the inconvenience of carrying such a large/heavy object would not be worth the expected cost.

 

[irishScott]

@alk and others who seem to support the idea of carrying while running:

Carrying anything - even the size of a wallet or phone - is quite a pain when running. Carrying something as heavy as a gun (several times the weight of the typical wallet or phone) would be quite costly in inconvenience terms.

For carrying to be the right choice while jogging, the probability of being accosted and the cost of the encounter must be very very high. I would be shocked if any male on here has a utility function such that it would be maximizing to carry while jogging. It is much more pleasant to run free of unnecessary objects, make reasonable route choices to minimize the chance of unfortunate encounters, and possess neither the material wealth nor female body most aggressors would be looking for.

For a woman, both the probability of unpleasant unwanted experiences, and the cost associated with them, is much higher. I haven't spent much time thinking from that perspective, so I can't speak definitively about their situation. But I suspect the inconvenience of carrying such a large/heavy object would not be worth the expected cost.

You don't have much experience with the small guns selling by the millions nowadays do you?

http://mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

Kel-Tech P3AT

Weight Fully Loaded: 11 oz

Add a lightweight nylon holster and you put it up to ~15 oz. Properly secured and positioned (which is very doable with modern holster options), it is quite easy and painless. This is from a 5'11, 172 lb average build guy.

 

[Fritzo]

http://m.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/study-carrying-a-gun-can-make-you-more-paranoid/10875

 

[erikistired]

 

[irishScott]

http://m.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/study-carrying-a-gun-can-make-you-more-paranoid/10875

Funny. I don't think that way at all and neither do most of the shooters I know. Wonder what their sample size/background is. If anything a basic knowledge of statistics should tell someone that concealed carry permit holders are an extreme minority and unless you're in a very crime ridden area it's extremely unlikey to encounter someone carrying.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

LOL, America.

 

[erikistired]

LOL, America.

go throw rocks at someone kiwi. we don't need your penal colony justice here.

 

[Juked07]

You don't have much experience with the small guns selling by the millions nowadays do you?

http://mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf



Add a lightweight nylon holster and you put it up to ~15 oz. Properly secured and positioned (which is very doable with modern holster options), it is quite easy and painless. This is from a 5'11, 172 lb average build guy.

You're right that I didn't know a gun could be so small; I was thinking a small gun would still be ~2 lbs. But still, that's like a whole pound rocking back and forth against your body.. I don't even like to carry a key. If it were socially acceptable I might run naked =P

My own preference might be a bit more extreme than the norm, but I know a lot of runners and nearly all of them forego wallet/phone, and would likely never consider carrying a weapon to be at all convenient.

In any case, I would certainly consider carrying my phone before I considered carrying a weapon. Its expected usefulness is just way higher.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

go throw rocks at someone kiwi. we don't need your penal colony justice here.

Err, New Zealand wasn't a penal colony.

 

[irishScott]

You're right that I didn't know a gun could be so small; I was thinking a small gun would still be ~2 lbs. But still, that's like a whole pound rocking back and forth against your body.. I don't even like to carry a key. If it were socially acceptable I might run naked =P

My own preference might be a bit more extreme than the norm, but I know a lot of runners and nearly all of them forego wallet/phone, and would likely never consider carrying a weapon to be at all convenient.

In any case, I would certainly consider carrying my phone before I considered carrying a weapon. Its expected usefulness is just way higher.

Well preference is preference.

Thing is though, it's not really rocking back and forth. At worst it's lightly rubbing my right lower back/butt cheek. With the right nylon it doesn't even leave a blister. Granted everybody's body is different, but it should be doable. An alternative option would be a shoulder holster under the shirt or belly band. I don't carry my phone or wallet because there's no practical way of securing either without an external belt.

 

[destrekor]

You're right that I didn't know a gun could be so small; I was thinking a small gun would still be ~2 lbs. But still, that's like a whole pound rocking back and forth against your body.. I don't even like to carry a key. If it were socially acceptable I might run naked =P

My own preference might be a bit more extreme than the norm, but I know a lot of runners and nearly all of them forego wallet/phone, and would likely never consider carrying a weapon to be at all convenient.

In any case, I would certainly consider carrying my phone before I considered carrying a weapon. Its expected usefulness is just way higher.

Yeah that's my thing. I'd have to really try it with a light sidearm and a good holster or whatever, but I generally highly dislike any additional weight. I hate heavy clothing, I hated an arm-band for my Zune HD (which itself is tiny compared to even an iPod Touch/iPhone, especially compared to all the Android phones I've owned - my Galaxy Nexus? no way will I run with that ). Honestly I even disliked the cord for the headphone, but put up with it and grew "immune" because of audio quality concerns (they were Shure's after all), but since I went with recent Bluetooth style, good sweat-proof earbuds plus good-enough audio in general combined enough to allow me to shed that pesky wire too.
Motoactv on wrist, key in a secure pocket inside running shorts, headphones = nothing cumbersome enough to really notice.

I've always not ran with anything in hand, including water, because that weight annoys the hell out of me. Even hydration packs I've avoided, but I probably won't be able to avoid NOT using a hydration pack if all my plans both do and do not work out this summer.

I guess we'll see. No firearm of my own anyhow, so it's a moot point at this point in time.

 

[QueBert]

Wow...so you admit you live in dangerous place, never felt in danger, and don't do anything to protect yourself?

I don't walk around scared and paranoid, but my life puts me in situations that I now stand out.

However, I don't think you really understand all these GANGS you live around if you believe other gangbangers and watching for police are their main objectives.

I thought you were black though. Didn't know you were white. In that endevour, it was probably your story-telling.

My area's dangerous to rival gang members and people who drive thru in a super super nice car. Gang members aren't concerned with a dude jogging *IF* they're out to rob somebody it will be a guy in a suit with a Rolex, or a guy in a Benz. If you were a gang member who had beef with other dudes who were killers, and had the police on your ass, would you A. be looking for a jogger to rob who more than likely has nothing of value on them. or B. looking out for people who were trying to harm you. My 2 best friends are gang members and while I can only speak for them. Their main concern is always protecting themselves, the last thing on their mind would be to rob a dude who's out doing fucking Couch to 5k. Joggers make the absolute worst vics, unless they're just looking for an ass to beat. And random people getting randomly beat up for no reason isn't common. Another reason being if a black dude in the hood beats up another black dude in the hood, there's pretty much zero chance the police are called. And if they by some miracle of a chance are, the cops won't do shit. If a white dude jogging gets mugged the cops will be all over that area like white on rice.

I'm sure it does happen though, I mean I was robbed at gun point in an area where homes went for 300k, which isn't upper class here, but it's definitely not ghetto. So by my experience I should probably always be paranoid. But knock on wood, I haven't been jumped, robbed, stabbed or shot at where I live - yet any ways. It could happen tonight when I'm out jogging, or I could be back in the nicer part of town where I got robbed and get robbed again.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

My area's dangerous to rival gang members and people who drive thru in a super super nice car. Gang members aren't concerned with a dude jogging *IF* they're out to rob somebody it will be a guy in a suit with a Rolex, or a guy in a Benz. If you were a gang member who had beef with other dudes who were killers, and had the police on your ass, would you A. be looking for a jogger to rob who more than likely has nothing of value on them. or B. looking out for people who were trying to harm you. My 2 best friends are gang members and while I can only speak for them. Their main concern is always protecting themselves, the last thing on their mind would be to rob a dude who's out doing fucking Couch to 5k. Joggers make the absolute worst vics, unless they're just looking for an ass to beat. And random people getting randomly beat up for no reason isn't common. Another reason being if a black dude in the hood beats up another black dude in the hood, there's pretty much zero chance the police are called. And if they by some miracle of a chance are, the cops won't do shit. If a white dude jogging gets mugged the cops will be all over that area like white on rice.

I'm sure it does happen though, I mean I was robbed at gun point in an area where homes went for 300k, which isn't upper class here, but it's definitely not ghetto. So by my experience I should probably always be paranoid. But knock on wood, I haven't been jumped, robbed, stabbed or shot at where I live - yet any ways. It could happen tonight when I'm out jogging, or I could be back in the nicer part of town where I got robbed and get robbed again.

Me and my friends would go to downtown santa ana at like 1-2 AM for tacos all the time when I was in college. We drove either my chevy, friends 3 series or other friends E class all the time. Lol.

Hell we went out for Pho at 3 am one night with my friends dads brand new CLS63 and the asian gangsters were taking pictures of it and asking us questions about it, haha.

 

[Fritzo]

You're right that I didn't know a gun could be so small; I was thinking a small gun would still be ~2 lbs. But still, that's like a whole pound rocking back and forth against your body.. I don't even like to carry a key. If it were socially acceptable I might run naked =P

My own preference might be a bit more extreme than the norm, but I know a lot of runners and nearly all of them forego wallet/phone, and would likely never consider carrying a weapon to be at all convenient.

In any case, I would certainly consider carrying my phone before I considered carrying a weapon. Its expected usefulness is just way higher.

Don't run naked. The "flop" problem is worse than carrying anything

 

[sourceninja]

Man, what neighborhoods do you gun-nuts live in? Why so paranoid?

Not carrying a gun just because you are in a good area is a lot like not wearing a seat belt because your just driving around in town.

 

[SP33Demon]

Kel-Tech or Ruger .380 should be around 11-12 oz, just get a light back holster to carry it in. I also acknowledge that regarding most of the upper-middle class suburban areas around here, the odds of a grown adult male getting robbed is the equivalent of getting hit by lightning.

 

[Anubis]

Are you a 100lb woman? Who would mug a reasonably fit man in broad daylight on a jogging trail? Who carries anything worth stealing when they jog?

I'm with the crowd who thinks you guys who carry all the time are a little kooky... and/or paranoid.

dude my shoes cost a lot

 

[Molondo]

Not carrying a gun just because you are in a good area is a lot like not wearing a seat belt because your just driving around in town.

Or wearing sun tan lotion while you sleep in your room

 

[sourceninja]

It has never happened to me or anyone I know so it's rare enough that I won't bother strapping a gun to my body every single time I leave the house.



What are the downsides? I would imagine the hassle of getting a CCW, choosing clothes that allow you to easily hide a gun must be a PITA too unless you're one of those tools who wears long pants in summer with a safari shirt and vest?

How about mistaken identity if you do actually ever need to draw your gun? Because Police have never shot and killed a CCW holder by accident I'm sure.

Then there's the whole FL thing with that Zimmerman guy, who is supposedly hispanic so he couldn't possible a racist, who shot that unarmed black kid.

Yeah, I can think of a whole lot of reasons to leave the guns at home actually...

Things that have never happend to me or anyone I know.

I don't know anyone who has had a house fire or died from a carbon monoxide leak yet they still all have fire alarms and extinguishers in their homes. I have never been in a car accident, yet I carry insurance and use a seat belt. I have never needed immediate and costly medical care for something life threatening, yet I still have health insurance. I have never been unable to access food and water (like because of a blizzard) yet I still have a case of rations and water in my basement. We have never had a power outage lasting more than a few minutes, but we keep hand powered flash lights in the house. We have never been robbed, but we put locks on all our doors. I have never been screwed by a contractor, yet I make sure they all have insurance and are licensed. I have never given anyone life saving first aid, yet I have a first aid kit in my car.

The fact is people do a lot of things to protect themselves that are irrational if you look at how often it happens to just you and your friends. But when you look at the big picture, you are better safe than sorry. Carrying a gun is a choice, but no more different then choosing to carry a wallet or wear a watch. Beyond getting properly trained, there is no hardship to carrying a gun. Most of your clothes will still work (unless you wear skinny jeans) and getting a permit in most states is dead simple (in my state you fill out a form online and pay $120 and get finger printed).

I use a IWB holster and a small Walther PPS pistol. I wear shorts and tshirts in the summer and I've had comments from people that know I carry asking where my gun was. In the winter, because it's so cold out here, I move to OWB carry with jackets (which I would wear anyway because it's so damn cold) and I move up to a larger pistol (just because I like the pistol, I would be fine with my tiny little PPS). You don't need a full size, double stack pistol to protect yourself. A small .380 or .9mm will be a huge step in self defense vs relying on hope and prayers to get out of any trouble that might come your way.

In terms of the shooting in FL. That guy went looking for trouble, he found trouble and now he will have to deal with the political fallout. Trouble didn't find him, he went looking for it. I would have called 911, told them what I saw and left it at that.

 

[chitwood]

the fuck you carryin a gun for? What, in case somebody steps to you, Snoop Dogg?