How do you carry a gun while jogging?

[irishScott]

Things that have never happend to me or anyone I know.

I don't know anyone who has had a house fire or died from a carbon monoxide leak yet they still all have fire alarms and extinguishers in their homes. I have never been in a car accident, yet I carry insurance and use a seat belt. I have never needed immediate and costly medical care for something life threatening, yet I still have health insurance. I have never been unable to access food and water (like because of a blizzard) yet I still have a case of rations and water in my basement. We have never had a power outage lasting more than a few minutes, but we keep hand powered flash lights in the house. We have never been robbed, but we put locks on all our doors. I have never been screwed by a contractor, yet I make sure they all have insurance and are licensed. I have never given anyone life saving first aid, yet I have a first aid kit in my car.

The fact is people do a lot of things to protect themselves that are irrational if you look at how often it happens to just you and your friends. But when you look at the big picture, you are better safe than sorry. Carrying a gun is a choice, but no more different then choosing to carry a wallet or wear a watch. Beyond getting properly trained, there is no hardship to carrying a gun. Most of your clothes will still work (unless you wear skinny jeans) and getting a permit in most states is dead simple (in my state you fill out a form online and pay $120 and get finger printed).

I use a IWB holster and a small Walther PPS pistol. I wear shorts and tshirts in the summer and I've had comments from people that know I carry asking where my gun was. In the winter, because it's so cold out here, I move to OWB carry with jackets (which I would wear anyway because it's so damn cold) and I move up to a larger pistol (just because I like the pistol, I would be fine with my tiny little PPS). You don't need a full size, double stack pistol to protect yourself. A small .380 or .9mm will be a huge step in self defense vs relying on hope and prayers to get out of any trouble that might come your way.

In terms of the shooting in FL. That guy went looking for trouble, he found trouble and now he will have to deal with the political fallout. Trouble didn't find him, he went looking for it. I would have called 911, told them what I saw and left it at that.

The issues some have with guns is purely psychological. Other safety nets like you mentioned don't empower an individual, people by-and-large don't like it when others have power over them. So they deride them as something or other to compensate; in the case of gun owners: paranoid.

The irony is a lot of them care more about me carrying than I do. I could leave my gun at home and feel perfectly fine, or I could take it with and feel perfectly fine. Among the haters in this thread, I could leave my gun and home and they'd feel perfectly fine, but if I carry they get their panties in a bunch and start calling me paranoid.

No one I know derides people for not carrying. Sad that the reverse isn't true.

 

[shortylickens]

The issues some have with guns is purely psychological. Other safety nets like you mentioned don't empower an individual, people by-and-large don't like it when others have power over them. So they deride them as something or other to compensate; in the case of gun owners: paranoid.

The irony is a lot of them care more about me carrying than I do. I could leave my gun at home and feel perfectly fine, or I could take it with and feel perfectly fine. Among the haters in this thread, I could leave my gun and home and they'd feel perfectly fine, but if I carry they get their panties in a bunch and start calling me paranoid.

No one I know derides people for not carrying. Sad that the reverse isn't true.

Well congrats.
You now know a person who derides others for not carrying.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Stop that... I carry while I swim. At least 1 person a year is mugged in my area while swimming, can't have that happening...

Only YOU can prevent shark attacks! :awe:

 

[jagec]

I agree. But nothing in your life is forcing you to be a head-shop owner or professor of cheese sciences.

THOSE are typical urban jobs to you?

The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of jobs in America, comprising some 80%+ of GDP, are urban. If all of those people simple moved out into the country, the economy would collapse.

 

[irishScott]

Only YOU can prevent shark attacks! :awe:

When the sharks have lasers I swim with an AR-15.

 

[JulesMaximus]

http://m.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/study-carrying-a-gun-can-make-you-more-paranoid/10875

This thread certainly backs that up. On the one hand we have the CCW crowd who are constantly posting how they're prepared for this, that, and the other thing and they go to great lengths to detail all the people they know who have been robbed etc and how good the neighborhoods they were robbed in were and how you can't let your guard down for a second and on and on. :sneaky: It's almost as though they want the conflict just so they can beat their chests and feel good about themselves. :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

And then there's the rest of us, who don't carry guns around and aren't paranoid. I can't quote crime statistics for my area. I know there are crimes committed occasionally because I hear about them from time to time and I do take reasonable precautions at home. I have reinforced deadbolts on all outer doors, leave outside lights on at night, make sure all downstairs windows are locked, and I have 2 watch cats on the prowl in the house. :biggrin:

I do leave the garage door open for hours at a time during the day though, especially when it is nice out because we can get a nice cool westerly breeze off the ocean through the house in the afternoon.

I've owned guns since I was in my early 20s (about 20 years now) and I was gung ho fanatical about them just like the rest of you gun nuts are but over time you come to realize certain things. Like how rare it is that you'll ever actually need it. Hell, I'm in my 40s and I've never actually needed a firearm EVER and I lived in Los Angeles during the L.A. Riots!

When you get to be my age and have kids of your own, playing good guy vs bad guy becomes less important and things like your children become more important so the guns get locked up and brought out only to shoot paper with and to clean periodically. That's pretty much it.

Sorry kiddies, the chances that you'll ever need to draw or shoot someone are slim to none.

Now get off my lawn or I keel you! :awe:

 

[erikistired]

the fuck you carryin a gun for? What, in case somebody steps to you, Snoop Dogg?

if that was the case he would be carrying it in his waistband like all the other gangsters.

and yes, i know it's from swingers. anaheim is dangerous yo.

 

[Imp]

THOSE are typical urban jobs to you?

The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of jobs in America, comprising some 80%+ of GDP, are urban. If all of those people simple moved out into the country, the economy would collapse.

Depends on how your city is laid out. My city has a dedicated bedroom community/city of a few hundred thousand. Stats say that well over 50% of those people commute to my "real" city on a daily basis. I've driven up and down the highway they use to do that commuting, and omfg, it's a nightmare.

These two cities are separated by abotu 100 km of farmland, so technically you could live in the rural (some at my work do) areas, and still work in the city.

On that note: my city has worse average commute-times than LA.

 

[irishScott]

This thread certainly backs that up. On the one hand we have the CCW crowd who are constantly posting how they're prepared for this, that, and the other thing and they go to great lengths to detail all the people they know who have been robbed etc and how good the neighborhoods they were robbed in were and how you can't let your guard down for a second and on and on. :sneaky: It's almost as though they want the conflict just so they can beat their chests and feel good about themselves. :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

And then there's the rest of us, who don't carry guns around and aren't paranoid. I can't quote crime statistics for my area. I know there are crimes committed occasionally because I hear about them from time to time and I do take reasonable precautions at home. I have reinforced deadbolts on all outer doors, leave outside lights on at night, make sure all downstairs windows are locked, and I have 2 watch cats on the prowl in the house. :biggrin:

I do leave the garage door open for hours at a time during the day though, especially when it is nice out because we can get a nice cool westerly breeze off the ocean through the house in the afternoon.

I've owned guns since I was in my early 20s (about 20 years now) and I was gung ho fanatical about them just like the rest of you gun nuts are but over time you come to realize certain things. Like how rare it is that you'll ever actually need it. Hell, I'm in my 40s and I've never actually needed a firearm EVER and I lived in Los Angeles during the L.A. Riots!

When you get to be my age and have kids of your own, playing good guy vs bad guy becomes less important and things like your children become more important so the guns get locked up and brought out only to shoot paper with and to clean periodically. That's pretty much it.

Sorry kiddies, the chances that you'll ever need to draw or shoot someone are slim to none.

Now get off my lawn or I keel you! :awe:

So to sum up your post: Stupid paranoid children and their guns. I lived in a big-ass city when parts of it were rioting and I didn't need it! Screw all those stories and videos of looting. Screw all those people you know who have been victims of crimes! Screw every news article detailing self-defense and criminal action you've ever read, screw all of it, you're just being immature. You think you have experience? All you have to do is not be paranoid like me and when you grow up you'll realize that it doesn't matter where you live, what your situation is, who you know, or what you've experienced. You'll simply realize that I'm right and the odds you'll ever need to draw are slim to none.

Also you have very poor reading comprehension. Think I've stated multiple times that my odds of needing the thing are slim to none.

Also DaddyO: We're not your kids, and apparently you're not used to talking to adults. Please come back when you are.

 

[alkemyst]

This thread certainly backs that up. On the one hand we have the CCW crowd who are constantly posting how they're prepared for this, that, and the other thing and they go to great lengths to detail all the people they know who have been robbed etc and how good the neighborhoods they were robbed in were and how you can't let your guard down for a second and on and on. :sneaky: It's almost as though they want the conflict just so they can beat their chests and feel good about themselves. :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

And then there's the rest of us, who don't carry guns around and aren't paranoid. I can't quote crime statistics for my area. I know there are crimes committed occasionally because I hear about them from time to time and I do take reasonable precautions at home. I have reinforced deadbolts on all outer doors, leave outside lights on at night, make sure all downstairs windows are locked, and I have 2 watch cats on the prowl in the house. :biggrin:

I do leave the garage door open for hours at a time during the day though, especially when it is nice out because we can get a nice cool westerly breeze off the ocean through the house in the afternoon.

I've owned guns since I was in my early 20s (about 20 years now) and I was gung ho fanatical about them just like the rest of you gun nuts are but over time you come to realize certain things. Like how rare it is that you'll ever actually need it. Hell, I'm in my 40s and I've never actually needed a firearm EVER and I lived in Los Angeles during the L.A. Riots!

When you get to be my age and have kids of your own, playing good guy vs bad guy becomes less important and things like your children become more important so the guns get locked up and brought out only to shoot paper with and to clean periodically. That's pretty much it.

Sorry kiddies, the chances that you'll ever need to draw or shoot someone are slim to none.

Now get off my lawn or I keel you! :awe:

Yet you dress in full body armor just to ride your motorcycle around the block, I think you are one of the most paranoid here.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Yet you dress in full body armor just to ride your motorcycle around the block, I think you are one of the most paranoid here.

No I don't. I sometimes just wear a helmet to ride around the block. Now, if I'm riding the 60 miles to work and back I'll add my leather jacket, gloves, and boots.

I have a nice scar on my right leg from last year when I went out for a ride around the neighborhood in shorts and a t-shirt. Burned my leg touching the hot exhaust. :ninja::$ It has faded quite a bit to the point it is not very noticeable but damn did that hurt.

 

[JulesMaximus]

So to sum up your post: Stupid paranoid children and their guns. I lived in a big-ass city when parts of it were rioting and I didn't need it! Screw all those stories and videos of looting. Screw all those people you know who have been victims of crimes! Screw every news article detailing self-defense and criminal action you've ever read, screw all of it, you're just being immature. You think you have experience? All you have to do is not be paranoid like me and when you grow up you'll realize that it doesn't matter where you live, what your situation is, who you know, or what you've experienced. You'll simply realize that I'm right and the odds you'll ever need to draw are slim to none.

Also you have very poor reading comprehension. Think I've stated multiple times that my odds of needing the thing are slim to none.

Also DaddyO: We're not your kids, and apparently you're not used to talking to adults. Please come back when you are.

Truth hurts bro?

Don't be mad. :twisted:

 

[alkemyst]

No I don't. I sometimes just wear a helmet to ride around the block. Now, if I'm riding the 60 miles to work and back I'll add my leather jacket, gloves, and boots.

I have a nice scar on my right leg from last year when I went out for a ride around the neighborhood in shorts and a t-shirt. Burned my leg touching the hot exhaust. :ninja::$ It has faded quite a bit to the point it is not very noticeable but damn did that hurt.

good excuse, invent an injury to justify your paranoia.

 

[JulesMaximus]

good excuse, invent an injury to justify your paranoia.

Is it fun being wrong all the time?

 

[alkemyst]

Is it fun being wrong all the time?

I have no idea, I rarely am.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I have no idea, I rarely am.

:biggrin: Now that was funny!

 

[irishScott]

Truth hurts bro?

Don't be mad. :twisted:

Your truth is inaccurate, and I'm not. You want to keep egging your own face go right on ahead.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Your truth is inaccurate, and I'm not. You want to keep egging your own face go right on ahead.

Right. Everyone should be armed all the time and nobody should ever question their own needs or situation. Armed and paranoid is the only way.

Fact is we are both expressing our opinions. Nothing more. Your truth is no more truthful than my truth. They are just opinions based on our own experiences.

My opinion is that you're paranoid and apparently your opinion is that I'm wrong.

The only time I ever felt the need to be armed while out in public was during the L.A. Riots. And I was.

I sure as fuck don't feel the need to carry a gun when I'm out jogging or riding my bicycle...

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[irishScott]

Right. Everyone should be armed all the time and nobody should ever question their own needs or situation. Armed and paranoid is the only way.

Fact is we are both expressing our opinions. Nothing more. Your truth is no more truthful than my truth. They are just opinions based on our own experiences.

Fact is, the only time I ever felt the need to be armed while out in public was during the L.A. Riots. And I was.

I sure as fuck don't feel the need to carry a gun when I'm out jogging or riding my bicycle...

Here endeth the lesson.

Never said any of that. But why should I question my needs and situation if you're refusing to question yours?

Fact is you're calling us all paranoid, over-generalizing based on your singular experiences. Screw subjective opinion on the merits of carrying, you're simply making baseless accusations and calling people names. It's rather pathetic. Calling me or anyone else paranoid simply because they carry makes as much sense as me calling you a pussy because you don't.

The only "lesson" you're giving is "my way is the right way and if you disagree you're immature and paranoid!" You should forward that to PBS, sounds like a Saturday morning special to me!

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

I've thought about this myself. But I hate carrying shit while running. Despise it. I've gotten rid of everything except my GPS watch, and even that I go without sometimes. I hate being encumbered while running, as that's my escape. It gets me out of the rest of the world for a bit.

However with that said, there is a safety concern. I like running at night, and while I'm not in "bad" areas crime still happens. Not to mention there is always wildlife (by me it's usually just deer, but there can be other things as well) or most likely, dogs. So in the meantime while I figure out if I want to move into the CCW world I carry a surefire (E2D LED or E1B Backup) on the back of my shorts IWB. It's in about the 4/8 o'clock position and really doesn't bother me while running at all. Plus easy to draw and it's bright enough to fuck up night vision for a few seconds which is long enough for me to GTFO. I realize it's not 100% safety, but it works for me.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Never said any of that. But why should I question my needs and situation if you're refusing to question yours?

Fact is you're calling us all paranoid, over-generalizing based on your singular experiences. Screw subjective opinion on the merits of carrying, you're simply making baseless accusations and calling people names. It's rather pathetic. Calling me or anyone else paranoid simply because they carry makes as much sense as me calling you a pussy because you don't.

The only "lesson" you're giving is "my way is the right way and if you disagree you're immature and paranoid!" You should forward that to PBS, sounds like a Saturday morning special to me!

Well, you're either paranoid or you live in a really shitty area. Most normal people don't feel the need to go around armed all the time.

Don't hate the messenger bro.

And don't get so angry. Take a stress pill or something.

 

[pontifex]

And of course, everyone knows that the best possible way to rob a rich man's house is to attack them while they're running around outside carrying at most a drink bottle, a wallet, and a phone. Amirite?

my post wasn't specific to jogging, smartass

 

[KMFJD]

 

[pontifex]

One thing that everyone seems to be ignoring (surprisingly for a group of nerds) is women.

Everyone is talking about getting robbed. What about a woman being raped? Women are usually weaker than men and a woman jogging in a secluded area by herself seems like the perfect opportunity for a rapist.

 

[alkemyst]

Always have it on me. If I ever live in a city where I leave my wallet at home when running because I might be attacked, it is time to move.

don't you sweat all over it?

I bring my ID and a CC, my phone, OC Spray, and swagger.