I think you get it, but I'll state it anyway, I do believe that fear is the basis for all negative emotion. Anger, rage, disgust, sadness, etc are all just derivitives of fear.
Yep that's a perfectly valid theory, I would however argue that homophobia is one of the few "phobias" that rarely presents itself as pure fear.
So if someone doesn't agree with your lifestyle they are deluded and ignorant?
I'm tired of people who don't agree with your lifestyle as being deemed bigots and such.
bigotry is one thing, thinking that someone should adjust their morals is another.
Let me pose another question...should sexual orientation be taught in schools?
As stated earlier on we need a different word to describe homophobia that branches beyond purely fear. Homosexism or something like that..
Sorry; I found a way to weave a pulp fiction quote into this thread and I had to to it.
What I mean is most people know that murder is wrong, long before they hit grade school. It is a basic moral understanding, and we understand how murder negatively impacts others. Homosexuality on the other hand does not have a negative impact on the lives of others. At least nothing that I can think of.
Who the hell asked you to agree with it? Do you have gay people getting in your face for being straight?
This is what I hate about religious people. They somehow think it is any of their damned business how other people live their lives.
Bunch of holier than thou asswipes. My cousin is like this, I've found it is best just to ignore her completely because talking to her makes me want to shake her until she wakes up.
I have to say while, I'm not a homophobe I do have extreme discriminatory prejudice to christianity, and most other organised monotheistic religion.
Then you and the homophobe have some common ground.
Obviously the average homophobe is not afraid that they:
...will be gay raped.
...will be beaten by a ravenous pack of gays.
...will be infected by the gay virus
etc
They are afraid that gays will have in influence on culture leading to more gayness, gay laws, and gay regulations, and eventually dooming the human race because through gayness, too many people will choose gay, and there will not be enough children to sustain the culture, which will then be taken over by communism.
I don't hink you're afraid of being stoned as a heritc or being otherwise religiously persecuted, so your fear of religion must come from people who are religious doing things, like making laws, which have an indirect effect on your life, or like having to know that you the 1 person out of 10 in the room who is certain the Earth orbits the sun.
Get me?
We can go one philosophical step further and state that all fear is ultimately the fear of death. Now you and the homophobe you fear are one in the same, using different measures for the same abstract concept.
In some ways I do, I'm afraid that delusion is contagious, the difference between me and the homophobe is that the religious choose to be religious, homosexuals do not.
Hmm interesting, I however hate lack of reason which is my issue with the religious, it's not so much about fear, it's more irritance.
Wait, I thought you said we are rational beings who have overcome our instincts? Which is it?
But why?
Anyway we already covered this.
-emotion=fear=fear of death.
So once again, it's still fear based.
By the way, I love this onion, so if you want to keep going...
How can you state that all fear is the fear of death?We can go one philosophical step further and state that all fear is ultimately the fear of death. Now you and the homophobe you fear are one in the same, using different measures for the same abstract concept.
Then you and the homophobe have some common ground.
Obviously the average homophobe is not afraid that they:
...will be gay raped.
...will be beaten by a ravenous pack of gays.
...will be infected by the gay virus
etc
They are afraid that gays will have in influence on culture leading to more gayness, gay laws, and gay regulations, and eventually dooming the human race because through gayness, too many people will choose gay, and there will not be enough children to sustain the culture, which will then be taken over by communism.
I don't hink you're afraid of being stoned as a heritc or being otherwise religiously persecuted, so your fear of religion must come from people who are religious doing things like, making laws which have an indirect effect on your life, or like having to know that you the 1 person out of 10 in the room who is certain the Earth orbits the sun.
Get me?
How can you state that all fear is the fear of death?
You have to consider that one of those affects everyone since religious laws are not implemented to affect only those who wish to follow them while gay laws (if you want to call it that, i suppose we can call all anti-discriminatory laws something different than just that if we really want to) do not.
I'm probably what you would label a homophobe, the very idea disgusts me and i really don't want to see it in public but that is my problem, not theirs, no different than if some redneck gets disgusted by an interracial couple, we'll have to fucking deal with it because it's their right and the problem lies with us, not with them. That's why i also support gay marriage and equal rights for everyone except the Welsh.
True. It's purely logic, I'm all about logic. A world that is run using logic is a better world, and the spread of religion takes us further from that utopia.
You have to consider that one of those affects everyone since religious laws are not implemented to affect only those who wish to follow them while gay laws (if you want to call it that, i suppose we can call all anti-discriminatory laws something different than just that if we really want to) do not.
I'm probably what you would label a homophobe, the very idea disgusts me and i really don't want to see it in public but that is my problem, not theirs, no different than if some redneck gets disgusted by an interracial couple, we'll have to fucking deal with it because it's their right and the problem lies with us, not with them. That's why i also support gay marriage and equal rights for everyone except the Welsh.
I disagree, freedom of religion and from religion is of equal value.
That still means that no religion can or should be the basis of laws or society.
You are implying that "normal" is using our bodies for their designed purpose, firstly we have no designed purpose, secondly there is no normal, everyone is born different, thirdly by this logic infertile people are abnormal.
From a strictly biological standpoint, homo sapiens are born, raised, procreate through sexual intercourse, support their offspring and die. That is normal. A pairing of homosexual men OR women can not do that unless a third party is brought in.
And yes, infertile people are abnormal. They have a physical ABNORMALITY that prevents them from procreating. Thus they are abnormal. This is not a personal attack, just a statement of facts. I know about this personally because unfortunately my uncle and his wife can not have kids.
I don't believe you are a homophobe because you are not trying to tell me that my "abnormal" sexual orientation must be the result of a mental health defect, and that bisexuality doesn't exist, or that I'm deluding myself into thinking I'm bisexual and must be gay. (unlike BoomerD)
Ok
If you are defining abnormal as something that the majority aren't then yes being gay is abnormal, Incidentally so is being caucasian as a far bigger majority of people on the planet are chinese in their ethnicity.
I would challenge this argument because it doesn't factor in geographic location.
You, sir, need a refresher lesson in biology. There are tons of species that have very few reproducing members. Worker ants and drone bees are a prime example. Most beta males in wolf packs never reproduce, most pack rodent only have one alpha male that has mating rights with the harem. There are even stranger configurations with non-sexual members.
Next nature does not ‘seek’ anything. Natural selection is not goal oriented. Like so many people you have the entire idea backwards. Natural selection is a byproduct of a statistical exclusionary process, it does not try to kill off ‘unfit’ members of a species, they are simply statistically more likely to die and therefore the more fit have a longer time to reproduce. It tells us nothing about the ones that didn't reproduce.
You, sir, need to read my post more carefully because no where in there did I say that every single animal needed to mate or that natural selection is "goal oriented".
First off, I stated that life is created through the joining of a male and female member of the species. The argument I was making was that "normal" by natural standards is (for all non-asexual beings) the pairing of a male and a female, not a male and a male or a female and a female, for the sole reason being that the latter can not procreate without assistance.
Secondly, if nature had intended (not in a decisive manner but due to statistics) for male-male or female-female couplings to produce offspring, evolution would have taken a different route and there would be species that exhibited these traits. Since no such species (that we know of) are able to procreate through same sex couplings, one can firmly state that any mutations that created a male-male/female-female coupling were inferior to the status quo male-female coupling.
Maybe you are not a homophobe, maybe you are just ignorant.
Ignorant of what?
*SNIP* (responses to Angry Irishman).
Science should be taught in school. Factual information should be taught in school. Practical application should be taught in school. Morals should not. I can make an argument that diffrent ethical principals should be taught, not as something that is right or wrong, but as something that is in use in the real world.
Agreed. Morals should be kept separate from factual information. I believe that ethics, in their most basic form, should be taught as well.
How can you state that all fear is the fear of death?
From a strictly biological standpoint, homo sapiens are born, raised, procreate through sexual intercourse, support their offspring and die. That is normal. A pairing of homosexual men OR women can not do that unless a third party is brought in.
And yes, infertile people are abnormal. They have a physical ABNORMALITY that prevents them from procreating. Thus they are abnormal.
I really wish people wouldn't quote me when they decide not to make any sense.