A person is Jewish because of their involvement in the Judaic faith and Jewish culture, not because there is a genetic trait which makes them Jewish, just like there's no genetic trait which makes someone Christian or Muslim. There are genetic physical traits passed on which are associated with the jewish population, but a person with such traits can be christian or muslim and not a jew.
Once again, my original argument was that a male-female coupling is the norm over a male-male or female-female coupling because population growth and thus evolutionary growth is due to the former, not the later. Can you refute this?
I never associated abnormality with other sexual practices, nor did I associate abnormality with religous practices. That was neckbeard and you.
A person is Jewish because of their involvement in the Judaic faith and Jewish culture, not because there is a genetic trait which makes them Jewish, just like there's no genetic trait which makes someone Christian or Muslim. There are genetic physical traits passed on which are associated with the jewish population, but a person with such traits can be christian or muslim and not a jew.
Once again, my original argument was that a male-female coupling is the norm over a male-male or female-female coupling because population growth and thus evolutionary growth is due to the former, not the later. Can you refute this?
I never associated abnormality with other sexual practices, nor did I associate abnormality with religous practices. That was neckbeard and you.
he's merely showing that you are using the word "normal" interchangeably with "common." Further, it's clear from your argument that "abnormal" is therefore less acceptable, or useful, than normal. It is, in fact, a dead end.
His point is that when you take another uncommon situation--a Jewish person--they are then abnormal, and less acceptable in your argument.
And honestly, it doesn't matter whether it fits with your argument from genetics, b/c your argument from genetics was DOA.
A person is Jewish because of their involvement in the Judaic faith and Jewish culture, not because there is a genetic trait which makes them Jewish, just like there's no genetic trait which makes someone Christian or Muslim.
This. The less common something is doesn't imply that it is wrong or immoral. Being abnormal does imply that it is wrong.
roguerower--I believe the word that you want to use is "standard."
Again, in a biological sense, opposite sex coupling is no more or less normal than is same sex coupling. For mammals and various other animals, opposite sex coupling is far more standard than is same sex coupling. Both exist, and both are therefore normal.
It is difficult to assess, but it certainly appears that homosexuality is no dead end, b/c it persists in species hundreds of millions of years more evolved than us.
Why are you so stubborn to abandon the improper use of the word "normal?"
Nope, if your mum is Jewish by heritage, so are you, being Jewish means being part of the Jewish people, you can have any faith you want or be an atheist and still be Jewish by descent.
I know i am, i know several others here are also Jews but don't adhere to the Judaic faith.
So you don't know anything about that either...
It seems that you don't know anything about anything... finish primary school is my tip to you.
Actually, being abnormal does mean out of normal per definition of your own individual normal self which means that there is something wrong.
Gays are not abnormal, neither are Jews.
Yes, standard is a much better word. I never meant to say that abnormal was wrong or bad, I meant abnormal as in not in line with the majority.
And homosexuality will continue long after you and I are rotting in the ground but it will not be naturally passed on from father to son, mother to daughter unless there is a evolutionary shift.
I'm not stubborn to abandon it, I just failed to use a much better word for what I was trying to say.
So uncommon then?
I'm turning in my brain. It is obviously not essential for living.
I don't care if someone is gay, I just don't want to see you play swords with each other in front of me. Gay people for some reason think they can do it anywhere. I don't want to see two straight people dry humping in front of me so why would I want to see two gay people dry humping in front of me?
How about we go with in the minority.
Straight people think they can do it anywhere. they do, so, so do we.
Yes, because in nature we find homosexuality to be an infrequent occurrence; muder on the other hand is universal and pervasive.
Actually, I was making a point about what he said about teaching children A but not B, point being that he hadn't thought through his point very well.
Sounds to me like you just said in the last paragraph that they are afraid that they will catch the gay virus.Obviously the average homophobe is not afraid that they:
...will be gay raped.
...will be beaten by a ravenous pack of gays.
...will be infected by the gay virus
etc
They are afraid that gays will have in influence on culture leading to more gayness, gay laws, and gay regulations, and eventually dooming the human race because through gayness, too many people will choose gay, and there will not be enough children to sustain the culture, which will then be taken over by communism.
I don't hink you're afraid of being stoned as a heritc or being otherwise religiously persecuted, so your fear of religion must come from people who are religious doing things like, making laws which have an indirect effect on your life, or like having to know that you the 1 person out of 10 in the room who is certain the Earth orbits the sun.
but we don't get upset when other don't join in
And homosexuality will continue long after you and I are rotting in the ground but it will not be naturally passed on from father to son, mother to daughter unless there is a evolutionary shift.
This thread should have ended with Platypus' post.
I'm merely posting because I know that when I make a well thought-out post about something extremely personal which cuts deep into my identity, I like to know that someone read and respected it in the midst of such ridiculous trolling.
Straight people think they can do it anywhere. they do, so, so do we.
Truth be told, I really don't like seeing straight people making out in public so I'm gonna treat a gay couple the same way I treat a straight couple. Unless it's two chicks...and a cup.
Works for me. Outstanding, we finally agree on something *shakes hands w/ neckbeard*
You have a poor grasp on genetics. Homosexuality, if it is a genetic trait (which it certainly looks like it is, but the jury is still out) is almost certainly a complex one, it only manifests when a certain grouping of genetics are present, and are activated. That means that you, or anyone else, might carry the 'gay gene', or part of it, and because it is not activated pass it on to your children.
EDIT: I would like to make a quick errata to that last statement. Homosexuality is a misnomer in truth. Sexuality, as this thread proves, is not a one or the other trait. It is much more like eye color, it runs a spectrum. So, in this case sexuality that tends on the more homosexuality extreme is just an expression of the same genetic trait that makes someone heterosexual.
Truth be told, I really don't like seeing straight people making out in public so I'm gonna treat a gay couple the same way I treat a straight couple. Unless it's two chicks...and a cup.
Works for me. Outstanding, we finally agree on something *shakes hands w/ neckbeard*
I disagree with you there. If a person is born into a jewish household but does not follow judaism, then they are tied to the jewish people by culture only, not genetics.
yeah we do! *Shakes hand*
Maybe it's because I live in Essex that I see a lot of people getting off with each other, particularly in nightclubs and pubs/bars
Well Essex is a shithole..
You're telling me, I live here.
Not as bad as Brixton but there are a lot of idiots just roaming the streets after closing time and they are so drunk that they don't have a second thought about punching some stranger, sad thing is the CCTV (which for those of you that don't know it they have plenty of in Essex) don't catch that, they just catch what happens after.
I've not gone to Essex ONCE and had a good time, it seems all fucking puftas want to punch on someone twice their size.
Then they get a beating, then i go to jail... fucking Brixton is perferable.