How do you measure intelligence?

Kroze

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Just wondering how do you measure a person's intelligence? Does it involve how fast/slow a person understand a math problem/equation/etc...?

Say it takes Joe only 1 minute to understand an math problem while it take Jane 4 minutes to understand it. Is that a way to measure intelligence?

If that's the case, i'm screwed.
 

us3rnotfound

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Just knowing an math problem isn't an sufficient way to measure an person's intelligence, in my opinion.
 

Kroze

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Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
Just knowing an math problem isn't an sufficient way to measure an person's intelligence, in my opinion.

Yea but I feel dumb not understanding things right away/always takes me a while to understand things.
 

dguy6789

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Intelligence measurements of today aren't very accurate. Most tests only measure very specific attributes of the mind, while ignoring others completely. Someone might be a mathematical genius but also a yesman with no concept of thinking outside the box or being able to solve something they don't know how to solve. Another person might be the most creative person in the world, but not quite the quickest when it comes to math problems.
 

OverVolt

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Originally posted by: Kroze
Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
Just knowing an math problem isn't an sufficient way to measure an person's intelligence, in my opinion.

Yea but I feel dumb not understanding things right away/always takes me a while to understand things.

It's called learning.

Don't know something that was never taught to you? WTF is wrong with you?

There, did that help you put this ridiculousness into perspective?
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: Kroze
Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
Just knowing an math problem isn't an sufficient way to measure an person's intelligence, in my opinion.

Yea but I feel dumb not understanding things right away/always takes me a while to understand things.

Yeah, I used to feel the same way. Primarily because in elementary/middle school I was basically smart enough to look at a problem/subject and near-instantly understand it. Once 8th grade hit that ability all but disappeared with the increasingly complex subject materials, so it took me a while to adjust to actually working on a problem. No shame in it whatsoever. Now I'm in college and working my ass off. If you instantly understand everything here, you're either a savant or lying.

 

lxskllr

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I use myself as a benchmark. Anyone slower than me is dumb, and anyone faster is smart :^D
 

polarbear6

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Originally posted by: Kroze
Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
Just knowing an math problem isn't an sufficient way to measure an person's intelligence, in my opinion.

Yea but I feel dumb not understanding things right away/always takes me a while to understand things.

yup .. you seem to be my lost cousin or my relative or you have got to something with me (some relation)...

 

DangerAardvark

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The strongest indicator of intelligence, in my opinion, is the ability to convey your ideas as completely and clearly as possible. A clear communicator is a clear thinker.
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: Kroze
Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
Just knowing an math problem isn't an sufficient way to measure an person's intelligence, in my opinion.

Yea but I feel dumb not understanding things right away/always takes me a while to understand things.

DOn't feel bad, I'm a bit slow in understanding stuff but I still ended up okay. At the end of the day, its not about intelligence, its about your hard work. Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.
 

polarbear6

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
By grammar and spelling.

hell NO,
i strongly condemn this..
people grammar is not all.
what about guys in peurto rican, japan, china
who dont speak english ??

 

nineball9

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You need to define "intelligence" before you can determine a way to measure it. Despite many attempts, all intelligence tests include some forms of social, economic, political, cultural, racial or other biases and prejudices.. A few examples:

1) Culture: Could you solve a simple math question if it were worded in Mandarin Chinese, the most spoken language in the world? No? Are a billion Asians (mostly Chinese in this case) more intelligent than you?

2) Socio-economic: Could Mozart have solved a math problem (worded in German or Italian - he spoke both languages)? If not, was Mozart lacking intelligence?

3) Blatant discrimination: U.S. literacy tests for voting, finally abolished by the Voting Right Acts of 1965. If you were African-American when these "tests" were in effect and could not read, for example the U.S. Constitution, you could not vote. If the voting authorities knew you were a literate African-American, you might have gotten the same test but in German. Were southern Blacks in 1950 stupid?

4) Eugenics: "... Three generations of imbeciles are enough." Justice Oliver Wendel Holmes Jr. delivering "the U.S. Supreme Court's decision upholding the Virginia sterilization law in Buck v. Bell", 1927. Though eugenics is not uniquely limited to the U.S. or the 20th century, many U.S. states enforced mandatory sterilization laws in the 20th century. From wikipedia: "In the end, over 65,000 individuals were sterilized in 33 states under state compulsory sterilization programs in the United States." Finally abolished in 1983. Is the U.S. any smarter today because of earlier forced sterilization?

5) Cultural: The term "Caucasian", now commonly used to describe "white" people, was coined circa 1800 by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach in creating a hierarchy of races. Caucasian was the archetype of humanity; other races were lower. From wikipedia: "Caucasian variety - I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (birth place) of mankind."

6) Military intelligence: Sample questions from a 1917 U.S. Army mental test:
Crisco is a: patent medicine, disinfectant, toothpaste, food product.
The number of a Kaffir's legs is: 2, 4, 5, 8.
Christy Mathewson is famous as a: writer, artist, baseball player, comedian.
Are (were) you smart enough to join the Army?

The last example and other un-cited quotes are from The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould. The book provides a good historical study of intelligence/innateness and the many flawed attempts to define and measure ("mismeasure") intelligence. The Revised and Expanded version debunks the popular but biased 1980's book The Bell Curve and its concept of "g".
 
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