How do you pay for VPN service?

Red Squirrel

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I pondered this myself and never got around to it. You don't want to pay with anything that can be tracked back to you or it defeats the entire purpose. What I would do is find one that accepts gift cards, or those prepaid credit cards. Buy the cards with cash around Mothers/Father's day, Christmas, etc (you will just blend in with everyone else doing it) and then wait a bit to use them, then use them. The idea is if someone does try to track a particular VPN account back to a particular person it will add an extra layer of difficulty. They'll see a gift card was used to pay for it, then they'll request CCTV footage of the store it was bought at, but then they won't know which person actually bought it because there will be a lot of them. One flaw with this logic though is there will still be the fact that your real IP is connecting to the VPN server. So you still have to trust that they don't log stuff. The money transaction part is going to be tracked in the financial system, so that's why it's still good to cover up that part.

I want to setup a vlan where anything on that vlan exits through a persistent VPN but have not done enough research yet to see if there are any services that support this. I imagine anyone that uses a standard VPN system like OpenVPN it should be doable. I basically have a VPN client act as a default gateway and then connect to the VPN. Then set firewall rules to block all traffic going out except for the VPN server. Going to experiment with that some day but one of those things I don't necessarily need bad enough. Probably a good idea for torrenting though.
 

Thebobo

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Explain how paying for your VPN with a CC unless you're doing seriously evil stuff can harm you>?
 

Red Squirrel

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Normally the reason to use a VPN is to do "seriously (to the government) evil stuff" like downloading torrents or perhaps participating in something like organizing a protest or something along those lines. Now if you're just using it to get a better Netflix selection or something then yeah you don't really have to bother.
 

BUTCH1

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Normally the reason to use a VPN is to do "seriously (to the government) evil stuff" like downloading torrents or perhaps participating in something like organizing a protest or something along those lines. Now if you're just using it to get a better Netflix selection or something then yeah you don't really have to bother.
LOL, so watching a movie or TV show without paying for it is "seriously evil stuff"?, I'd think you'd be more frightened by action from a studio than from the local DA.
 

13Gigatons

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Explain how paying for your VPN with a CC unless you're doing seriously evil stuff can harm you>?

It's really about privacy. The Federal Government passed a law allowing ISP's to collect and sell your browser history.

Now there is no guarantee that your VPN service isn't also collecting and selling your browser history. So using a CC just leaves it too chance.
 
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BurnItDwn

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LOL, so watching a movie or TV show without paying for it is "seriously evil stuff"?, I'd think you'd be more frightened by action from a studio than from the local DA.

Umm, he did specify "(to the government)"

He's refering to all the years af RIAA and MPAA abuse where they start lawsuits against music or movie downloaders for thousands and thousands of dollars because the person downloaded $100 worth of music that they weren't going to buy in the first place.
 

Red Squirrel

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LOL, so watching a movie or TV show without paying for it is "seriously evil stuff"?, I'd think you'd be more frightened by action from a studio than from the local DA.

To the government it is. They give out ridiculous sentences for that stuff. In reality it's not evil, but as far as the government is concerned it's worse than murder.
 

clamum

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I just paid with one of my credit cards (got a deal on Nord VPN from slick deals I think). I'm not obsessed with the government locating me; Jesus they can find me through the ten billion other things I've bought with CC. I just wanted a VPN client to be more safe when using public wifi mainly.
 
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BUTCH1

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To the government it is. They give out ridiculous sentences for that stuff. In reality it's not evil, but as far as the government is concerned it's worse than murder.
Well, I do need to get a VPN, when I stream NFL games I'm exposed. I'd think anyone unhappy with steaming content would 1st notify your ISB to block the activity or issue a cease+desist order.
 

snoopy7548

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To the government it is. They give out ridiculous sentences for that stuff. In reality it's not evil, but as far as the government is concerned it's worse than murder.

They don't care. It's the MPAA/RIAA that cares, but they don't go after people downloading movies and albums. They go after the people who host the content and distribute it. Even if you're seeding on a private torrent site, you're not going to even register on their meter.
 

yhelothar

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It's really about privacy. The Federal Government passed a law allowing ISP's to collect and sell your browser history.

Now there is no guarantee that your VPN service isn't also collecting and selling your browser history. So using a CC just leaves it too chance.

Who's selling that data? Where could I buy it?
 

lxskllr

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Who's selling that data? Where could I buy it?
ISPs have the ability, and legal authority to do so. Whether they do so or not right now is irrelevant. Policy can change in a second, and law not much longer than that. Using technical means is the end user's only defense. Data they(whoever "they" is) don't have, is data that can't be used against you.
 

mindless1

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They don't care. It's the MPAA/RIAA that cares, but they don't go after people downloading movies and albums. They go after the people who host the content and distribute it. Even if you're seeding on a private torrent site, you're not going to even register on their meter.

This is not true. There are law firms out there whose sole purpose is to sue copyright infringers. They are most prevalent in attracting clients from the porn industry but have been associated with other (non-porn) major labels.

Here is just one example that comes to mind, though I'm sure there are others that pop up from time to time on Torrrentfreak:

https://torrentfreak.com/dallas-buyers-club-loses-piracy-lawsuit-ip-address-is-not-enough-171110/

Granted, just because someone sues you doesn't mean they're going to win. The tides are turning and many courts are establishing that the old evidentiary standard of having an IP address alone, isn't sufficient any longer.

As far as payment method and getting caught, better VPNs cannot tie your account to what you download. Payment info is only tied to login and expiry date. Their servers do not log activity. The most a warrant would get for past activity is that you are a client, among many, if your payment method is traceable.
 

JEDIYoda

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It's really about privacy. The Federal Government passed a law allowing ISP's to collect and sell your browser history.

Now there is no guarantee that your VPN service isn't also collecting and selling your browser history. So using a CC just leaves it too chance.
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