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NetWareHead

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I dunno, I don't really feel bad even if they choose to use the money for something like alcohol or some other fix. If your life has hit the point where you're bumming for change on a street corner instead of working at a great career, getting an education, spending time with family & friends, providing service to others, doing things that you love - even if it's just Netflix & fast food at home - then maybe you really do need that release...

I would like my own releases such as vacations, toys, entertainment for my fiance and I and I wont fund a homeless guy's releases. Thats not my problem at all. It doesnt mean I wont be human about it and give food to somebody obviously starving or clothes to a man freezing on a sidewalk in January. But when a homeless guy uses my donation to buy booze or drugs, that angers me and makes me averse to giving money away like that.
 

Kaido

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I would like my own releases such as vacations, toys, entertainment for my fiance and I and I wont fund a homeless guy's releases. Thats not my problem at all. It doesnt mean I wont be human about it and give food to somebody obviously starving or clothes to a man freezing on a sidewalk in January. But when a homeless guy uses my donation to buy booze or drugs, that angers me and makes me averse to giving money away like that.

Well like Fanatical Meat's story a page ago, where he gave a kid money & the mom ran right over to the liquor store...absolutely ridiculous. I like my wife's approach...snag them a dollar meal or something and tuck a few bucks in, and if they're not trying to con you & actually take the food, they get the money. I never remember to do that though, but I like the idea because it adds a small layer of accountability to the exchange. But that's the thing, everyone has to find their own way of dealing with it.

I rarely hand out money, but once in awhile if I can tell someone is really in a bad place & I have some change or whatever, I'll drop it off. I was in Atlanta recently & saw a pretty young vet hanging out on the side of a grocery store with a sign. His legs were wrecked & you could just tell from his face that he had some serious PTSD. Stuff like that just kills you. OTOH, I've seen perfectly-abled 20 & 30 year olds standing up, holding signs, aggressively soliciting donations...dude, if you can do that, you can go hold an advertising sign outside the local sandwich shop or oil change place.
 

NetWareHead

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Well like Fanatical Meat's story a page ago, where he gave a kid money & the mom ran right over to the liquor store...absolutely ridiculous. I like my wife's approach...snag them a dollar meal or something and tuck a few bucks in, and if they're not trying to con you & actually take the food, they get the money. I never remember to do that though, but I like the idea because it adds a small layer of accountability to the exchange. But that's the thing, everyone has to find their own way of dealing with it.

I rarely hand out money, but once in awhile if I can tell someone is really in a bad place & I have some change or whatever, I'll drop it off. I was in Atlanta recently & saw a pretty young vet hanging out on the side of a grocery store with a sign. His legs were wrecked & you could just tell from his face that he had some serious PTSD. Stuff like that just kills you. OTOH, I've seen perfectly-abled 20 & 30 year olds standing up, holding signs, aggressively soliciting donations...dude, if you can do that, you can go hold an advertising sign outside the local sandwich shop or oil change place.

True there are exceptions to every rule as you illustrated.
 

Nashemon

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Depends on their personality. Some can be a nuisense and those I avoid. I'm not in the city very often anymore, but when I do run across someone in need, I give them all the cash/change I have in my pocket that hasn't made it to my wallet for whatever reason. I'd never invite a stranger into my home, though.

There are definitely different types of homeless people. I was nearly homeless once when my roommate chose his new girlfriend over me. Luckily a friend of mine let me use his apartment for the next 8 months. So I suppose I see homelessness differently than I used to since then for that one decision to let me stay could have changed my life entirely.
 

feralkid

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They are lazy, otherwise they wouldn't be asking for handouts for alcohol and they would be learning how to fish.




So you meant "have someone else teach them lazy people to fish...not me".

Seriously, why even pretend to give a damn about the less fortunate?
 

Linux23

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Well, 16 years ago when I first started working in NYC there were tons of homeless people everyday I would give money to. In particular one guy used to be out there everyday with his cup out. I don't really know if this guy was slow or something but he did this every single day.

Fast forward to now and the same guy is out there with his cup out at the same spot.

The SOB's are also bringing kids into this. One lady was outside begging with her kid on her lap.

Another lady is out there as well with her dog laying down by her side.

They really are getting creative.
 

NetWareHead

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Was in San Fran and saw a bunch of hipsters on the corner with a dog and a shit load of tattoos. Begging for change. Wearing reasonably trendy clothing with accessories. Got money for tattoos but cant feed yourself? F-You!
 

1sikbITCH

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I treat the mentally ill like humans whether they are homeless or not but I don't generally give beggars money. I will buy food but half the time it'll be some young street punk who just won't work, not a worn out old drug addict. Fuck them.
 

Mayne

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I try to help out the homeless only when I'm not feeling homeless. Even then I'll give them some change if I have it. I'm weird that way.
 

Ackmed

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I never, ever, ever give money to people begging on the street for it. Holding up their signs, looking all pathetic like. That's just enabling them in my opinion.
 

DrPizza

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Being from a smaller community, I'm not aware of homeless people. Seems that instead of everyone looking on, with an attitude of "someone else can take care of them," there are enough groups in this area who, if someone appears homeless on the streets, take steps to remediate the problem.
 

purbeast0

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So you meant "have someone else teach them lazy people to fish...not me".

Seriously, why even pretend to give a damn about the less fortunate?
When did I pretend to? I flat out said I ignore them when they beg for handouts.

I also never said I wanted to teach them how to fish. If they really cared, they would go out looking to learn how to fish.

But they don't want to do that, they want handouts, hence they are lazy.
 
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bradly1101

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I volunteered for a while at a church that feeds the homeless. I had to stop when some of the homeless volunteers got violent.

The homeless problem would be greatly reduced (as well as prison populations) if we hadn't dismantled the extensive mental health facilities in this country under Reagan.
 
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Puffnstuff

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I understand the OP's dilemma and have encountered it several times this year. Back in January I had to go to a local medical clinic and it was unusually cold for Florida. Outside their entrance a guy around 30is was sleeping by an unused doorway wrapped up on an old blanket. I am struggling myself and cannot give money away but I did have compassion for his situation. Last week on my way to the VA clinic I saw that the homeless shelter that used to be downtown has closed and I don't know if it was moved or just ran out of funds. Too many people who have never done without just don't understand what it means to lose everything. We live in the richest country in the world and cannot provide for our poorest segment yet travel the globe imposing our will on other nations. We should get the beam our of our own eye before you try to pull the speck out of our neighbors eye.
 
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Being from a smaller community, I'm not aware of homeless people. Seems that instead of everyone looking on, with an attitude of "someone else can take care of them," there are enough groups in this area who, if someone appears homeless on the streets, take steps to remediate the problem.

In a perfect world this would be correct, in the real world many homeless people are so screwed up they not only can't make simple & rational decisions but can be hostile.
For example years ago I worked near a CVS in a big City. The same guy used to stand by the door and open it then hold out a tip cup. Very pleasant when tipped but if he wasn't tipped it usually ended in a loud, drunken F-YOU!. I've had people at work try to be nice and give them money or "stuff" then the guy starts showing up all the time, sometimes multiple visits per day. I've seen a homeless guy stand in the middle of the sidewalk & shout Satan at every white person. I've seen guys stand at the intersection and clean car windows (without asking) them spit on cars that don't tip. There is no amount of goodwill that will fix these people. Sad to come to this conclusion.
 
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gorcorps

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I'm a heartless asshole, you don't want to know my opinion.

I also think people need to differentiate between homeless, and beggers. There are a lot of homeless out there that don't hang out on street corners looking for handouts, and I have different opinions depending on what someone does once they're homeless.
 

Zaap

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To the OP: I think in a lot of ways giving that person a cup of hot chocolate was maybe the best thing you could have done. I always try and think what would I want if ever in the same unfortunate position (however I would end up there) and possibly just recognition by other human beings would mean more than just some material bullshit. I think a gesture like yours at the very least just recognized the person as human, not just a pile of garbage as I'm sure most are made to feel.

Personally, if someone asks for my help, I at least consider if I'm able to give it. I rarely seek out homeless people and just help them at random, but any that ask my help and I'm able, I'll do what I can. If I hand someone a few bucks, I don't feel its up to me to judge whatever they will do with it.

Virtually anytime someone asks me for help and I'm at a food place, I'll buy them something.. as long as the request was within reason. That is, approach politely outside as I enter the place, and sure. Bother me as I'm inside eating (a tactic I've seen and really don't like) or have some attitude like it's owed, and forget it.

There's also a guy with cup in hand that walks in the middle of the street between cars stopped at a light on my commute home every now and then- that approach just doesn't work IMO. The random generoisity of people stuck in traffic just trying to get home is a low bar to appeal to, IMO.

I always hear sentiments like you shouldn't help the homeless, it just enables them, they should get help elsewhere, etc... but it's my belief that if all a person in that situation gets is scorn and a feeling of dehumanization from the rest of society, there's no way they'll ever seek help. But a small gesture that just recognizes another human being as one, might just end up helping somone to seek furhter help, never know.
 

KeithTalent

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I try not to, though I have taken homeless people into Tim Horton's and bought them lunch. Not going to give them money straight up, but more than happy to buy them some grub.

KT
 

Red Squirrel

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I rarely see homeless here, any homeless person here would not survive the winter. Like, it would literally kill you to be outside for too long. When I am traveling and am down south and see them, I feel kind of bad, but at same time, because a lot of them are "fake" just looking for handouts, I don't really like to give anything. I remember being on a school trip as a kid and did not know any better and kept giving this one guy lot of money, he liked my red hair. I practically became buddies with him every time we passed by there. Little did I know, he was probably just manipulating me for money.

When the TPP passes there is going to be a lot more homeless people too. I think the best way to help them is to buy them a meal, and not just give them money. At least if it IS a phoney, you did not just help someone buy more alcohol or something.
 

sportage

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My city has few homeless.
Most live around the river areas in homemade camps and tents.
None living on the actual streets or in city parks.
Every so ofter the city goes in and clears out their tent cities along the rivers.
The homeless will just move to another area along the river.
Until the city moves in once again to clear them out.

The homeless can be quite threatening to others.
They definitely have mental and anger issues.
If their tent cities are near business areas along the rivers, which tend to be the case, the homeless can be quite aggressive and threatening should anyone dare go near their claimed sacred grounds.
And a lot of these homeless have serious mental issues, so they can become quite aggressive to others escalating rapidly into full on bodily threats.
As it takes is wondering onto or near their staked out area.

One popular location for the homeless to camp is along the river levy. In the woods between the levy and the river. Quite dense and secluded. However, also near a public dog park where dog owners often will walk their pooch among the river levy.
Then, suddenly, one or more homeless living in camps secluded by the thick tree growth, will run up and confront the law abiding dog owner, insisting they and their dog immediately leave the area. And threaten the dog owner/walker they'd never walk along the levy again.
A quick call to local law enforcement, and the camps are once again cleared out and removed.

We have city homeless shelters, but the homeless prefer to camp and stay with their own along the river instead of some city ran shelter.
Years ago the homeless built a huge camp near one secluded river area. Camps built of wood shacks very much like that out of the great depression era.
Then, one wooden shack gas heater caught fire and the dwelling burnt to the ground killing the homeless occupant. Who was later determined too drunk and confused to escape. That fire and resulting death kicked the city into action once again. They bulldozed the remaining homeless structures to the ground, and drove the homeless into other areas of the city.

It is true, about the only thing they have going for them is to buy a bottle of booze and pass out. That is why they will use any money to buy a bottle rather than hot coco or BigMac.

Many have attempted to live with what family they have, but since most of the homeless have mental issues and uncontrollable anger issues, unable to function within society or with relatives, family has no option but to turn them away.

The homeless really need to be professionally helped, given access to medical help, medications, or even institutionalized. And that was once the case many many years ago. The case until Ronald Reagan decided to save the taxpayer a dime and close the institutions, end the medical help, end the access, and allow those in profound need to just run the streets.

As a taxpayer, giving up a small portion of my tax dollars to help the homeless was a most efficient and cost effective method of granting them help. And that terrible greedy decision by the Reagan administration so long ago we are still dearly paying for. Paying for in the form of more law enforcement needed on the streets, higher taxes in general, much higher crime within the cities, and the stigma upon society with appearing so uncaring.
You get what you pay for. And you do not get what you do not pay for.
And in the meantime, the homeless population grows and grows.
And we dare think they and the problem will somehow magically go away?
 
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Sportage here are some if the places Reagan closed




I'm not too sure about this image but I was old enough to remember the news and many places looked like below


Point is at the time Reagan's decision was pretty compassionate it just had unintended consequences that nobody has addressed.
 

Kaido

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Fanatical Meat said:
Point is at the time Reagan's decision was pretty compassionate it just had unintended consequences that nobody has addressed.

I think part of it was lack of manpower & part of it was lack of accountability. It's not like McDonalds where you can short-staff the place & still get acceptable results, you know? I have a couple friends who work with special needs kids in schools...one has a group & the other is one-on-one. The lady who does one-on-one is basically with one kid all day, who is like 6' tall in high school & has severe mental issues, and she is constantly completely drained after work. It's a mental AND physical job. In the last photo above, there's just a room full of 20 or 30 people and you probably just have a couple nurse-guards to watch all of them, when some of them really need individual attention. The book "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" apparently had a big impact on society:

https://www.keystonehumanservices.org/about-us/history/

Like student loans & job outsourcing, mental healthcare is something our society really needs to address & overhaul if we want to make this a better place to live. Especially in light of all of the mass shootings that have happened over the last few decades.
 
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ScoobMaster

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For me, there are two distinctive subgroups of "needy" people: those UNABLE (through no fault of their own) to care for themselves, and those who are UNWILLING (for various reasons) to care for themselves.

I believe we as members of society should compassionately do our best to support and care for the UNABLE (mentally or physically disabled, etc...). the able-bodied yet UNWILLING (which includes those who have made stupid choices in life and are now bearing the consequences)..... screw-em. I have run out of sympathy for those people. The world owes you NOTHING.
 
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