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jonks

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He is going nowhere. He has the highest unfavorables among republicans. Similar to Ron/Rand Paul, those who love him, love him very loudly. Everyone else has no interest in him.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/

"Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)"
 

shimpster

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This guy is just attacking anything and everything about America from our very constitution to our harmony.

It really seems that trying to reason with his crazies is like trying to argue with a parrot.

It might have seemed funny, entertainment at one point but when people are actually getting physically hurt by the hateful rhetoric.. when do we say enough is enough.

Do enough of us in America oppose him or there's just not enough of us? How can he be stopped? Can he be stopped?

Hindoos, can u cite references for your above thoughts?
 

flexy

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Sep 28, 2001
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Irony: Americans complaining about "the welfare state", despite the US probably the last country on Earth with an expansive "welfare" system in place. I mean get "free education" and what other nations have for decades, and THEN come back and (if there is justification) complain about "the welfare state". Right now doing so you just look silly.
 

sm625

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Irony: Americans complaining about "the welfare state", despite the US probably the last country on Earth with an expansive "welfare" system in place.

I know you people like to pretend that facts dont matter, just like you pretend that you will never run out of Other People's Money, but at some point doesnt it get embarassing? The US has the largest welfare system in the world. That is a fact. It is not subject to some twisted interpretation. Medicaid is welfare. Food stamps is welfare. Section 8 is welfare. WIC is welfare. All transfer payments are welfare.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Trump is a turd and would unquestionably be a failed leader, but I dare admit that the only way for things to actually change wrg to leadership and the state of things, is to either elect Sanders or Trump.

Honestly, they are the only legitimate players in the field that clearly do not represent the oligarchy that has been running this shit show for the last 5 decades.

as such, it is completely impossible to elect either of them. (the party machine will ensure that they are not general candidates)
 

mect

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Jan 5, 2004
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Stop voting for the least worst, stop putting the status quo into the general election (Jeb or Hillary) The only person running in this election that has a new plan for the middle east is Sanders.. all of the rest just want to continue on the same path since Regan.

Of course everyone calls him a kook or unelectable.. why? because we have trained ourselves to go with that statue quo that we have for the last 3 decades.

This. I'm so sick of people saying they're voting for Hillary because she can win the general election. Fuck that. Let's give the American people a chance to actually vote for a candidate that is actually a good candidate, not the lesser of two evils. While I may not agree with all of Sanders positions, at least he is honest. At least he has some integrity. At least he isn't bought and paid for. Maybe we can finally end the constant wars we've enjoyed for the past 15+ years. That isn't going to happen under Clinton.
 

Moonbeam

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This. I'm so sick of people saying they're voting for Hillary because she can win the general election. Fuck that. Let's give the American people a chance to actually vote for a candidate that is actually a good candidate, not the lesser of two evils. While I may not agree with all of Sanders positions, at least he is honest. At least he has some integrity. At least he isn't bought and paid for. Maybe we can finally end the constant wars we've enjoyed for the past 15+ years. That isn't going to happen under Clinton.

It isn't going to happen unless the voters revolt. Our Democracy has been stolen and only we can get it back. Nobody is going to give the people a choice. The people will have to impose it.
 
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TheSlamma

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Sep 6, 2005
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It isn't going to happen unless the voters revolt. Our Democracy has been stolen and only we can get it back. Nobody is going to give the people a choice. The people will have to impose it.
Some of us are doing all that we can (thanks mect and a few others on this forum), but it feels like for every one person we have there are 20 people indoctrinated into the status quo.

If Clinton (she made her stance on how to deal with ISIS clear) or any of these Repubs (they always make their stance clear) get into office I have no doubts they will hurt ISIS or even destroy most of it.. and just like Al Qaeda and the Taliban another more evolved terrorist group will rise up and takes it place and this war cycle will continue. It is time to change the tactics up and aim for a better result. Get us outta there.
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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Some of us are doing all that we can (thanks mect and a few others on this forum), but it feels like for every one person we have there are 20 people indoctrinated into the status quo.

If Clinton (she made her stance on how to deal with ISIS clear) or any of these Repubs (they always make their stance clear) get into office I have no doubts they will hurt ISIS or even destroy most of it.. and just like Al Qaeda and the Taliban another more evolved terrorist group will rise up and takes it place and this war cycle will continue. It is time to change the tactics up and aim for a better result. Get us outta there.

What "better result" is acceptable to you? We've 'gotten outta there" from Africa for decades and it's a brutally violent cauldron of genocide, war atrocities, and terrorism. It's almost easier to point out the handful of African nations that are relatively peaceful and not a large manufacturer of human rights catastrophes. So is a similar type of purposeful neglect and non-interference what you're looking for in the Middle East also?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The only way the Republican Party will learn a lesson is for Trump or the next most conservative candidate (Cruz or Carson) to get the nomination.

They get killed in the general and begin to take their own autopsy seriously.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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He is going nowhere. He has the highest unfavorables among republicans. Similar to Ron/Rand Paul, those who love him, love him very loudly. Everyone else has no interest in him.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/

"Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)"

You're right, of course. Repubs' problem, however, is that his support is strong among the primary voting base which leverages his position. It's similar to the way the Freedom Caucus leverages their position for extortion.

I hope Trump gets the nomination. If he doesn't, I hope he runs third party. It'll put the Republican party in perfect position to receive the attitude adjustment they need.

If they can't renounce the craziness they've created then maybe the craziness will renounce them.
 

flexy

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Sep 28, 2001
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The only way the Republican Party will learn a lesson is for Trump or the next most conservative candidate (Cruz or Carson) to get the nomination.

They get killed in the general and begin to take their own autopsy seriously.

They had eight years last time...

I am telling you right now, if a DEM is getting elected (which will likely happen), they won't do anything else but what they did before...trying to find impeachment reasons for Hilary, Sanders or whoever...using far-fetched and/or fabricated "stories" like they did in the past. Looking for a fault anywhere BUT in their own midst.
 

88keys

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The disconnect between ends of the political spectrum is really something to see. This post for example, rife with hyperbole, illustrates a complete lack of understanding of a large swath of America. Call the ideas wrong if you will, but to dismiss somewhere around 1/3 of the country as insane is not doing your own cognitive processes any favors.

The problem is that you have about 30%-40% who just outright ignore facts. When reality is at odds with their views, they turn to conspiracy theories and blame the liberal media for everything that they think is wrong.

We have about 1/3 of the country believing things like Obama is a Muslim, evolution is a hoax, and a myriad of other 'insane' beliefs. Granted we are all free to believe what we want, but you have to accept that at some point, a person or group eventually loses all credibility with the general public.

The G.O.P. is in it's death throes. It either needs to adapt or let another party take it's place.


And as for Trump, I'd probably say that since the attacks on Paris; he will probably bounce back in the polls and will stay popular with the G.O.P. for a while. If he can ride this out until at least spring, I'd say he has the nomination.
 
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disappoint

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Donald Trump has Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Two separate but related articles:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...-trump-have-narcissistic-personality-disorder

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...firm-trumps-narcissistic-personality-disorder

"Remarkably narcissistic,” said developmental psychologist Howard Gardner, a professor at Harvard Graduate School of Education. ...............
“He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops because there’s no better example of his characteristics,” said clinical psychologist George Simon, who conducts lectures and seminars on manipulative behavior. “Otherwise, I would have had to hire actors and write vignettes. He’s like a dream come true.”
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“He’s very easy to diagnose,” said psychotherapist Charlotte Prozan. “In the first debate, he talked over people and was domineering. He’ll do anything to demean others, like tell Carly Fiorina he doesn’t like her looks. ‘You’re fired!’ would certainly come under lack of empathy. And he wants to deport immigrants, but [two of] his wives have been immigrants.

“There is help available, but it doesn’t look like the help people are used to. It’s not insight-oriented psychotherapy, because narcissists already have insight. They’re aware; the problem is, they don’t care. They know how you’d like them to act; the problem is, they’ve got a different set of rules."
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Licensed clinical social worker Wendy Terrie Behary, the author of Disarming the Narcissist: Surviving and Thriving with the Self-Absorbed, said, “Narcissists are not necessarily liars, but they are notoriously uncomfortable with the truth." (The article notes that Trump positions himself as a possible savior to the economy despite the fact that four of his companies have declared bankruptcy.)
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“Textbook narcissistic personality disorder,” echoed clinical psychologist Ben Michaelis. “This man is known for his golf courses, but, with due respect, who does he think works on these golf courses? Mr. Trump’s bullying nature—taunting Senator John McCain for being captured in Vietnam, or saying Jeb Bush has “low energy”—is in keeping with the narcissistic profile.

"Regardless of how you feel about John McCain, the man served—and suffered. To degrade people is really part of a cluster-B personality disorder: it’s antisocial and shows a lack of remorse for other people. The way to make it O.K. to attack someone verbally, psychologically, or physically is to lower them. That’s what he’s doing.

“He’s applying for the greatest job in the land, the greatest task of which is to serve, but there’s nothing about the man that is service-oriented. He’s only serving himself.”
The only one I disagree with is the immigrants issue. I think Trump wants to deport illegal immigrants but as far as i know I don't think his immigrant wives were illegal.
 
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zinfamous

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He's got the support of about 7-8% of the electorate....just enough to do some damage to a party, but he ain't ever going to be pres.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/

One problem with this is that it’s not enough for Trump to merely avoid fading. Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)

 

Baasha

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The really sad thing is that it took this long for the Republicunts to realize that Trump was a liability to all of them.

The moment he criticized McCain, which was totally unwarranted and highly uncouth, he should have been chucked out of the party.

The lesson is: play with a snake and get bitten!
 

BonzaiDuck

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Jun 30, 2004
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It may actually be the case that SOME things coming from Trump's mouth demonstrate a modicum of wisdom or insight.

But it is also the case that he panders to the "ID" and the emotion of American politics and that ~ 25% of the electorate. Those folks are not logical thinkers. Or -- they have no appreciation for a mathematically-precise logic. Or -- they're short-run thinkers: they imagine what would "solve problems over a window of two-years' time, but don't have the vision to see what the real problems are, or how the short-run solutions may complicate the long-run.

Ultimately, Trump has little respect either for the Truth (and there is such a thing, by the way) or the presidency.

I think the worship of a Narcissist betrays a lemming-followship of narcissists. And I think we've done as much damage as good by boisterously, shamelessly demonstrating our National Narcissism to the world. What's worse -- some countries, with histories that should be studied and understood like Russia -- are copy-cats. Pussy-Riot is probably doing more good than bad, but you can see how "Western" cultural norms have taken off in other countries.

So when the LA Times runs an article about Putin's encouragement of a kind of neighborhood ROTC for adolescents, schooling them in the secrets of the Kalashnikov, it looks more like a reaction to "News-America."

There IS a sordid underbelly to the American Character. And I'd only guess that a larger percentage of Trump worshippers are part of it.

Just on superficial grounds: Who . . . the hell . . . would take seriously . . . somebody with blond Orangutan hair?!

It would be a total mockery of the White House. "Oh, I'm so great! I'm going to do guurrrr-eat and marvelous things!"

What kind of half-wit is unable to see this for what it is?

They probably still believe Lee Harvey Oswald was a "real Communist" and a "Russian hypno-assassin."

There are limits to democracy. It can produce bad decisions. For the most part, it only serves to legitimate authority for temporary periods of 4 to 8 years.

And don't kid yourself that money measures much. That's the real fly in the ointment. The more it has corrupted our politics, the worse the quality of decisions.

I'd think you'd be blind or cerebrally challenged if you dispute my thought that we "just got lucky" with the 2008 election, and then got stupid with the 2010 midterms.

So. If not a rich buffoon with funny hair and full-of-himself: What sort of nose-picking cornpone halfwit will be in the White House -- again -- in 2016?

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe we could even feel lucky for either Sanders OR (OR!!) Hilary.
 

flexy

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Donald Trump has Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Yes he has, the reason he went for the prez of the United States in the first place. Going for the position of the most powerful person is the logical consequence for someone who perceives himself as the greatest thing which ever walked this Earth.

But it's not all just fun and entertainment.

This guy due to his personality (someone who has no problems mocking the disabled in public speeches or talks down on vets who got wounded in a war), this guy will have NO PROBLEM to send hundreds of thousands in a war with thousands of potential causalities, and he will never ever in a million years feel responsible for that or even see that he did "something wrong". (He might even mock those who get killed).
The danger from giving such a person access to nuclear weapons, someone who is 100% incapable of recognizing mistakes or own misjudgement ..well you do the math.
 
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boomerang

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If the nation and the world can survive eight years of a guy shoving the dreams from his father down its throat, it can survive a Trump presidency just fine.

We've got some real drama queens in this thread. If you can accept the following, Trump should be an easy transition.

Obama can't even pardon a turkey without bashing Republicans


What an obnoxious, thin-skinned, adolescent, insecure, smug, petty, and more than anything, evil little man.
 
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The really sad thing is that it took this long for the Republicunts to realize that Trump was a liability to all of them.

The moment he criticized McCain, which was totally unwarranted and highly uncouth, he should have been chucked out of the party.

The lesson is: play with a snake and get bitten!

I truthfully thought that was the end for him. If anyone with a (D) attached to their name dared to criticize McCain's military service they would be tarred and feathered. trumplestiltskin gets a pass, because "he's speaking his mind"

Plenty of people in psych wards speak their minds but we don't have them as front runners in a presidential campaign.
 

Jhhnn

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If the nation and the world can survive eight years of a guy shoving the dreams from his father down its throat, it can survive a Trump presidency just fine.

We've got some real drama queens in this thread. If you can accept the following, Trump should be an easy transition.

Obama can't even pardon a turkey without bashing Republicans

Uhh-waaahhh! It's a joke, son, & it's funny because it's close to the truth.

When the truth hurts, rational folks re-evaluate.

Not a chance, right?
 

Blanky

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Trump is going full retard. I am not convinced he actually mocked that journalist, but he has said he condones torture, registration of a religious group (I don't like islam, but what he said is insane), and mass deportation (which would require armed extraction squads, if you think about actual implementation).

Trump has a lot going for him: he's smart, he's capable, he's independently wealthy. It's just he's also an asshole.

If Republicans don't get cruz or rubio in there as nominee, their loss in 2016 is assured.

In the meantime, I enjoy watching Trump. Clinton must love it even more. I dearly hope she doesn't win the presidency but against Trump with what he's saying lately it would be impossible or her to lose.

It's unfortunate this had to happen because I agree with him that immigration is a massive problem for the US and I really like his hardline approach on keeping people out, but the mass deportations of millions of people are simply a non-starter, and Stalinesque; something you'd see in a post-apocalyptic movie or read in a history book of genocide. It has no place in the America I want to live in.
 
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