how does hill hold work on a manual car?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

what's the mechanics behind it?

is it a sensor that determines the angle of the car and then clamps the brakes?

 

[ThatsABigOne]

Putting the gear in, like 1st or reverse gear results in a very hard turnover by the engine. That is how many people park...

 

[Throckmorton]

Putting the gear in, like 1st or reverse gear results in a very hard turnover by the engine. That is how many people park...

He's talking about cars that automatically stop you from rolling back when you stop on a hill while driving.

 

[Pantoot]

what's the mechanics behind it?

is it a sensor that determines the angle of the car and then clamps the brakes?

For my car yes. It will sense the angle and will hold with the brakes for up to 2 seconds until you hit the gas. Wait more than 2 seconds and you start rolling backwards.

 

[imagoon]

Interesting, I didn't realize that they were making stick shifts so easy. I must be old fashioned since my "hill hold" is enabled via proper operation of the 3 pedals on the floor. Having never used one before does it really help? I have driven stick since I was 16 and only had issues the first couple of times.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

For my car yes. It will sense the angle and will hold with the brakes for up to 2 seconds until you hit the gas. Wait more than 2 seconds and you start rolling backwards.

so as soon as it detects throttle, it undoes the brakes?
interesting. awesome feature.

 

[LTC8K6]

My Jeep does the same thing, pointing up or down a hill, and it's an automatic. It holds the brakes on for you for 5 seconds or until you touch the throttle.

 

[ShawnD1]

My car had this thing called a "driver" who "drives" the car. When starting on a hill, this "driver" would quickly change from brake to gas and the car would go.

If you roll back 20 feet on a hill because you don't know the feel of the clutch even after driving the car for a week then suicide is probably a good option. Anyone who can't get the feel for a clutch probably also can't get the feel for things like signing their name, having sex, showering, voting, tying their shoes, etc.

Suicide is never "a good option." This is your only warning on the issue. The remainder of your trolling in this thread needs to stop as well.

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[SpatiallyAware]

Shawn I used to feel like that until owning a car with hill hold... It's a really really nice feature, particularly in a car that produces decent power

 

[jlee]

My Subaru has hill hold...it's by no means necessary, but I'm not complaining that I have it either.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

My car had this thing called a "driver" who "drives" the car. When starting on a hill, this "driver" would quickly change from brake to gas and the car would go.

If you roll back 20 feet on a hill because you don't know the feel of the clutch even after driving the car for a week then suicide is probably a good option. Anyone who can't get the feel for a clutch probably also can't get the feel for things like signing their name, having sex, showering, voting, tying their shoes, etc.

so you enjoy driving stick up a steep hill in traffic where you move at most 1-2 car lengths at a time?

please, spare me your elitist attitude.
i've been driving stick for over 5 years and going up a hill is not my idea of fun. it's not great for my clutch either.

 

[ShawnD1]

Shawn I used to feel like that until owning a car with hill hold... It's a really really nice feature, particularly in a car that produces decent power

Just drive around for a while and come to a lot of full stops. Once you get the hang of controlling the clutch well on flat ground, doing it on a hill is easy :thumbsup:

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Just drive around for a while and come to a lot of full stops. Once you get the hang of controlling the clutch well on flat ground, doing it on a hill is easy :thumbsup:

nobody said it was hard.

 

[ShawnD1]

nobody said it was hard.

It was implied. They wouldn't put a feature like that in cars unless people thought it was hard.

"waaaah I suck at parking, it's so hard!"
bang someone invents an automatic parking system in Lexus vehicles

 

[LTC8K6]

I can turn Hill Start Assist off if I want to in the Jeep. Even with an auto, it's helpful with a trailer on a hill.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

It was implied. They wouldn't put a feature like that in cars unless people thought it was hard.

"waaaah I suck at parking, it's so hard!"
bang someone invents an automatic parking system in Lexus vehicles

answer this without being a prick.
what's harder, driving on level ground or uphill during traffic?
what's worse on the clutch, driving on level ground or uphill during traffic?

 

[LTC8K6]

It was implied. They wouldn't put a feature like that in cars unless people thought it was hard.

"waaaah I suck at parking, it's so hard!"
bang someone invents an automatic parking system in Lexus vehicles

It first appeared on the Prius, actually.

 

[LTC8K6]

Audi's ad poking fun at lexus drivers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVaFbkg9jRs

 

[NutBucket]

Interesting, I didn't realize that they were making stick shifts so easy. I must be old fashioned since my "hill hold" is enabled via proper operation of the 3 pedals on the floor. Having never used one before does it really help? I have driven stick since I was 16 and only had issues the first couple of times.

Subaru has had this feature in various models since the early 80's.

 

[DivideBYZero]

This feature is only needed if you don't know how to operate the handbrake properly.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

This feature is only needed if you don't know how to operate the handbrake properly.

yup. and power windows are needed only if you don't know how to operate hand crank windows.

 

[LTC8K6]

This feature is only needed if you don't know how to operate the handbrake properly.

What hand brake will still hold the vehicle on a hill after the first couple of months? :biggrin:

You either use park, or leave it in gear, when you park on a hill, because the park brake is unreliable, right? Or you turn the wheels so the curb will save you, right? :biggrin:

Plus, if you need the hand brake on a hill, then you can't drive anyway, according to some. :biggrin:

 

[alfa147x]

I'm new to drive a stick and if I feel worried about the hill I'll hold the car with the parking brake. That said though I can get a car going without rolling back more than a few inches

 

[exdeath]

Just drive around for a while and come to a lot of full stops. Once you get the hang of controlling the clutch well on flat ground, doing it on a hill is easy :thumbsup:

Id like to know your opinion after working the clutch in my car after an hour in rush traffic.

 

[DivideBYZero]

What hand brake will still hold the vehicle on a hill after the first couple of months? :biggrin:

You either use park, or leave it in gear, when you park on a hill, because the park brake is unreliable, right? Or you turn the wheels so the curb will save you, right? :biggrin:

Plus, if you need the hand brake on a hill, then you can't drive anyway, according to some. :biggrin:

I've been driving manual transmission cars of every persuasion for over 20 years. If you're trolling, then I'll let it slide, but otherwise you need to take some lessons in using a very useful car control element that is supplied for a reason.

1) I have a ten year old car and I can tell you right now that handbrake will hold the car on any grade. No questions.

2) If you don't maintain your car or understand the mechanics of how the handbrake works, yeah, maybe you do need to do all those paranoid things... for example, do you also throw an anchor out of the window when using the foot brake 'in case it doesn't work'?

3) Nope. If you use a handbrake when waiting on a hill you're smart. Why sit holding the brake for three minutes when it can do the work for you? Also moving off is infinitely smoother using the handbrake than stepping off the foot brake, not to mention safer and with reduced clutch slip. If anyone tells you that means the driver can't drive they probably haven't had a manual car for long or lived in a hilly town. In fact if anyone jumps around on the pedals like that on a hill I would consider that not being able to drive properly.

Oh, and :biggrin:.