how does hill hold work on a manual car?

[Throckmorton]

ShawnD1, in hilly places driving up the hill from a stop puts more wear on the clutch because you have to let it out faster while applying a little more throttle, more like a clutch drop.

 

[saratoga172]

To those whining about driving manuals in traffic, have you ever considered instead of going from stop - 25 - crap gotta stop again, to stop - putting along in 1st - by the time you get to the car in front of you, they've already stopped and taking off again?


instead of following at 1-2 car lengths, and having to hit the brakes every time the person in front of you does, try like 5-6 car lengths, and when those in front of you hit their brakes, just let off the gas and coast until they pick back up. With just a little practice, you can time it almost perfectly and be coasting along at 15mph the whole way while saving gas, brakes, clutch, a sore leg, AND making life for the people behind you way better, cause they can coast along at a fairly constant speed too.


Or, continue on whining about how much it sucks to be 0-20-0-20-0-20 in traffic.

I'd do it but cars continually cut in front of you. So it ends up taking 10 minutes longer to get wherever you're going. If it's one or two lane it's not so bad.

 

[alfa147x]

I'd do it but cars continually cut in front of you. So it ends up taking 10 minutes longer to get wherever you're going. If it's one or two lane it's not so bad.

I have no problem doing it sitting in the left lane of a 5+ lane hwy

 

[ShawnD1]

ShawnD1, in hilly places driving up the hill from a stop puts more wear on the clutch because you have to let it out faster while applying a little more throttle, more like a clutch drop.

Yeah but everyone in ATG already clutch drops it every time. In one thread I said the clutch will basically live the entire life of the car, and the response to that was a bunch of "LOL BUT I POWERSHIFT EVERY TIME AND THE CLUTCH IS REPLACED TWICE A YEAR OLOL"

If you drive like a sane person then yes a hill puts extra wear on the clutch but it's not more difficult and the process is exactly the same. The hill hold feature does not make it any easier on the clutch since you're still trying to get the car rolling in an upward direction against gravity.

 

[Murloc]

on steep hills I use the handbrake with manuals so it wouldn't change much.
Never tried it and don't feel the need for it.

In my city there isn't heavy stop-and-go traffic on really steep hills, in that case it might be useful to avoid having to use the handbrake.

 

[yh125d]

I'd do it but cars continually cut in front of you. So it ends up taking 10 minutes longer to get wherever you're going. If it's one or two lane it's not so bad.

No they don't. Well, sometimes, but not much. You'd think that they would, but most don't. I do this in the middle of 3 lanes usually, and over 3 miles or so I might have maybe 5 cars come in, but that's not gonna delay me by more than 30 seconds or so...


But also, if someone *needs* to get in front of you, they can. And if you need to get over into the right lane for your exit, you now have like 5 car lengths worth of space in front of you to speed up to get into a gap up ahead if you need.

 

[Phanuel]

No they don't. Well, sometimes, but not much. You'd think that they would, but most don't. I do this in the middle of 3 lanes usually, and over 3 miles or so I might have maybe 5 cars come in, but that's not gonna delay me by more than 30 seconds or so...


But also, if someone *needs* to get in front of you, they can. And if you need to get over into the right lane for your exit, you now have like 5 car lengths worth of space in front of you to speed up to get into a gap up ahead if you need.

I had a guy behind me honk his horn at me for 10 seconds this morning in a traffic jam before he decided to get into the carpool lane during rush hour and then cut in place 2 cars ahead.

Yeah, nobody ever drives like a complete dick in traffic.

Regarding hill assist, I think it's a nice idea. I learned hill starts using the parking brake and then got good enough to heel-toe the brake and accelerator properly.

If everyone stole Nissan's syncro rev match system on the 370z for their manuals, I'd have no problem sitting in traffic 80% of the time I'm driving with a stick. But as it stands right now driving an automatic may be boring as hell but for the 20% of the time I want to have the fun a good manual provides, it's just not worth the trouble.

 

[KentState]

I have no problem doing it sitting in the left lane of a 5+ lane hwy

Since we probably drive the same roads in the same crappy traffic, I would say I have no problem either. My car, like a lot of drive-by-wire models will not let you stall out and gets pulling you along.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

ShawnD1, in hilly places driving up the hill from a stop puts more wear on the clutch because you have to let it out faster while applying a little more throttle, more like a clutch drop.

he's trolling. who else thinks driving uphill is easier than on level ground?

that's why whenever someone is teaching someone else how to drive stick, they always try to avoid steep hills.

 

[Meghan54]

Interesting, I didn't realize that they were making stick shifts so easy.

Sheesh. People are acting like this is something new.....this sort of feature has been offered off-and-on from various manufacturers, such as Subaru, Ford, Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Saab, VW for instance, for several decades.

Was first invented by Studebaker and introduced in 1936 as an option on their Studebaker President.

 

[soydios]

Just drive around for a while and come to a lot of full stops. Once you get the hang of controlling the clutch well on flat ground, doing it on a hill is easy :thumbsup:

and it'd be even easier with hill hold. if you drive a manual, you should know this.

 

[LTC8K6]

Sheesh. People are acting like this is something new.....this sort of feature has been offered off-and-on from various manufacturers, such as Subaru, Ford, Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Saab, VW for instance, for several decades.

Was first invented by Studebaker and introduced in 1936 as an option on their Studebaker President.

A 36 Studebaker sensed the angle of the vehicle and held the brake on for you if you were pointed up or down a hill, and released it when you stepped on the gas? They were ahead of their time.

The system on my Jeep is actually quite sophisticated:

HSA (Hill Start Assist) (4WD Models with NV245
Two–Speed Transfer Case Only)

The HSA system is designed to assist the driver when
starting a vehicle from a stop on a hill. HSA will maintain
the level of brake pressure the driver applied for a short
period of time after the driver takes their foot off of the
brake pedal. If the driver does not apply the throttle
during this short period of time, the system will release
brake pressure and the vehicle will roll down the hill. The
system will release brake pressure in proportion to
amount of throttle applied as the vehicle starts to move in
the intended direction of travel.

HSA Activation Criteria
The following criteria must be met in order for HSA to
activate:
- Vehicle must be stopped.
- Vehicle must be on a 8% grade or greater hill.
- Gear selection matches vehicle uphill direction (i.e.,
vehicle facing uphill is in forward gear; vehicle backing
uphill is in R (Reverse) gear).

HSA will work in R (Reverse) and all forward gears when
the activation criteria have been met. The system will not
activate if the vehicle is placed in N (Neutral) or P (Park).

Towing with HSA
HSA will provide assistance when starting on a grade
when pulling a trailer.