How does one get into a black ops kind of service?

[yllus]

Haha, I just finally got something about this forum - how fake offended people act in here at the smallest opportunity. Aside from the whole inquiry not being very serious, who in their right mind wouldn't want to know if there was a way to skip the "entry level" position and start off with something more glamourous? I sure as hell would want to know if there was a shortcut to the top.

 

[40Hands]

I give the OP a :thumbsup:. Not for what he actually said but for the flamebait thread that oh so many people came and got their panties all up in a bunch! He only types a sentence or two and he's getting tons of angry/defensive posts. :laugh:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: yllus
Haha, I just finally got something about this forum - how fake offended people act in here at the smallest opportunity. Aside from the whole inquiry not being very serious, who in their right mind wouldn't want to know if there was a way to skip the "entry level" position and start off with something more glamourous? I sure as hell would want to know if there was a shortcut to the top.

If you can speak urdu fluently your basically all set

 

[Josh123]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: destrekor
boring waste of time? lol you'll never make it anywhere. Give up your dream, stat.

That 'boring waste of time' is the experience and extensive training that helps the military learn who is and isn't a worthy candidate for future advancement. That definitely includes deciding who is and isn't worthy of being put into schooling for Special Forces and beyond. It's a hierarchy.
You can go to a recruiter and try for MOS 19X, which is the designation for those in training for Special Forces. Not sure how likely one is to get in without prior military experience.

Please, don't waste the Army's time though. With your attitude, you are most definitely not someone I would ever want to stand next to in combat, nor would any other individual in the military. Rangers and Special Forces are some of the most respectable yet crazy individuals out there. They love the shit and nearly all can basically be described as super grunts. The ones I have ran across have all been the most badass individuals, and the most worthy of respect, that I have ever met.
You'd be a waste of the Army's money and probably end up dead because a lot of the training would probably bore you and your lack of attentiveness would end up getting you killed.
Stay away. Please.

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Looks like I should have put a "Currently enlisted soldiers need not post, please" message.

Douche FTL

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: yllus
Haha, I just finally got something about this forum - how fake offended people act in here at the smallest opportunity. Aside from the whole inquiry not being very serious, who in their right mind wouldn't want to know if there was a way to skip the "entry level" position and start off with something more glamourous? I sure as hell would want to know if there was a shortcut to the top.

Originally posted by: 40Hands
I give the OP a :thumbsup:. Not for what he actually said but for the flamebait thread that oh so many people came and got their panties all up in a bunch! He only types a sentence or two and he's getting tons of angry/defensive posts. :laugh:

I don't want to pretend that this was my intention But after the first few posts I knew the thread had set sail for fail, so I went with it.

 

[finite automaton]

Originally posted by: yllus
Haha, I just finally got something about this forum - how fake offended people act in here at the smallest opportunity. Aside from the whole inquiry not being very serious, who in their right mind wouldn't want to know if there was a way to skip the "entry level" position and start off with something more glamourous? I sure as hell would want to know if there was a shortcut to the top.

Sully I generally agree with you, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. It wasn't the fact that he is looking for a shortcut, it's the fact that he's saying that all of the brave men and women on our Iraqi front line are useless. At least, that's the way I took it.

 

[alkemyst]

start by running around your neighborhood with a black t-shirt on your head until the local PD notice...they will get the word out.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: AmerDoux
Why would you want to join a military elite special forces unit, which would very likely place you in the most dangerous positions out there, but then be afraid of being sent to Iraq?

Not afraid of being sent to Iraq, but not wanting to go as a normal soldier. Boring waste of time.

Your posts have already proven you are a massive fail at all aspects of life. Don't taint the name of our armed forces further with your postings please.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Crusty
You don't, they find you.

Yes, you are "invited". Especially if you are a single E5 or above.
<--- was recruited before I got out of the Army, too hard core for me.

I just met I guy that I served with overseas. He was accepted in to the Department of State. He had to apply, though. Real smart, E-5 and single.

Ya, you get recruited but you are not automatically accepted. You still have to apply and go through the process which includes passing the training portion.

 

[Fraggable]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Start by going down to your local US Army recruiting station and ask for a "Ranger" contract. US Army Rangers are "entry level" special forces. Once you become a Ranger you will have the opportunity to move into other areas if you are good enough.

If I do this is there any way they can pigeon hole me into being a crappy basic Iraq grunt?

...that's what most SF start as: regular infantry.

Expect to go to Iraq and be shot at for next to no money

You've already proven in this thread you are not the caliber needed for SF.

Because I don't want to be like every other no name piece of trash over there?

I have no problem with the idea of being shot at, but I'm not going to do it as generic infantry. If that means no SF for me then so be it.

So you just called our armed forces 'pieces of trash'?

Go to hell, sh!tbag.

 

[nanette1985]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian

First, you have to kill someone important. If the cops figure out it was you, then you fail. If no one ever figures out it was you, then you get chosen for that type of job.

awesome.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: yllus
Haha, I just finally got something about this forum - how fake offended people act in here at the smallest opportunity. Aside from the whole inquiry not being very serious, who in their right mind wouldn't want to know if there was a way to skip the "entry level" position and start off with something more glamourous? I sure as hell would want to know if there was a shortcut to the top.

Its called "rear echelon mofo".

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: loup garou
:laugh:

this

 

[alkemyst]

DON'T SHARE THIS STUFF...IT'S SEKRIT OK!

Instructional Video

Sekrit tome on the art.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Wtf? You can't just walk into that type of role without any experience. Life doesn't work like that.

 

[blackdogdeek]

i misunderstood what you meant by special forces.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: ScottMac
Go to the CIA website and submit an application.

If / once you are hired, those kind of options may or may not be made available to you, depending on your presence and skillset.

Unfortunately, all the CIA stuff is overseas.

NSA has some domestic programs, the State department has some programs (like protecting diplomats, and doing advance work or investigation), The White House Communications has some interesting positions, Treasury (Customs, Secret Service, others) have some interesting positions ... they're out there, but you first have to get hired, second, get a clearance, third: perform and advance.

Another path might be to go into the Military (pick a branch, any branch ... I've always been partial towards teh SEALS), get into and survive Special Forces and whatever duty assignments you may or may not get, then get out and work for a contract agency like Blackwater (generally better pay, fewer politics, and a little more room to "free style").

Good luck

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I've actually seen posters in airports advertising that the CIA is hiring for its national clandestine service. I wouldn't think an organization like that would need to advertise to loudly

Analysts are hard to come by... They need alot of them, and it's probably the most boring job imaginable. They aren't recruiting spies...

precisely. That, and they'll hire a handful out of a hundred or more applicants, if that even hire anyone. They also recruit heavily on campuses of large universities, holding seminars and usually having a point of conduct that acts as a local recruiter. At least, this is the practice at The Ohio State University, but then again, only a few years back a new specialization of International Studies was created: Security and Intelligence... often heralded as a major in Homeland Security. Courses are diverse and numerous. That's actually my major.
Had the idea of going into Military Intelligence and trying to get myself into a government intelligence agency. I've ditched the first, but if I get out of the Army after my contract instead of doing a career like I want to, then I might still look into DoD security positions. Want to stray from the analytical positions though. My mind doesn't work best in that style.

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I know a girl who speaks near fluent Arabic yet couldn't get an intelligence job with the Agency she desires. Part of it is her age (she's young at 23) but part of it is her school. Not prestigious enough. It's a very close community and they like to hire "their own kind."

I'm in her same boat (though am not as good at Arabic) and for that reason, I nearly went to TAMU this year as part of a program that feeds into said Agency. At this point, I'm glad I didn't as I've been contacted by a similar but less secretive agency. I should know by August if I have a conditional offer.

To the OP, the job you're dreaming of probably doesn't exist. The movies tend to portray the Bourne-type work as the work of an agent. Real CIA agents aren't even called agents, they are called case workers. Their primary responsibility is simply to make contacts by whatever means necessary and to try and get information from those contacts. They don't jump out of buildings and go Rambo on bad guys (because they aren't trained to do so and because it would draw WAY to much attention). Most of the members of clandestine service are just ordinary looking people that know a critical language, have contacts in a country of interest, and/or are very socialable. Analysts spend their days in cubicles analyzing information. Very boring.

The CIA does operate a paramilitary group, but it's mostly team oriented and still highly discreet. They often operate in conjunction with other military forces. Even then, they don't really have to give up their families to create a new identity, etc. They are recruited from special forces. I believe most major law enforcement or intelligence agencies operate some kind of special forces. You could even think about joining your local police force and trying to go SWAT.

My opinion about clandestine service has somewhat changed after my recent time spent in Egypt. I came to realize that learning Arabic would probably land me Baghdad or some other hell hole in the middle-east. However, by joining up with a domestic agency I make international travel optional. Something to think about.

 

[abracadabra1]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: dainthomas
:|

This post demonstrates your complete failure at life.

Because I think it's a waste of my time to be a normal soldier in Iraq? For lack of a better phrase, I'm better than that.

You should keep your mouth shut until you earn the right to speak about things intelligently. You don't have the slightest clue about the training involved and the level of sacrifice required. You're not better than that - plain and simple, you're just not good enough.

 

[abracadabra1]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: destrekor
boring waste of time? lol you'll never make it anywhere. Give up your dream, stat.

That 'boring waste of time' is the experience and extensive training that helps the military learn who is and isn't a worthy candidate for future advancement. That definitely includes deciding who is and isn't worthy of being put into schooling for Special Forces and beyond. It's a hierarchy.
You can go to a recruiter and try for MOS 19X, which is the designation for those in training for Special Forces. Not sure how likely one is to get in without prior military experience.

Please, don't waste the Army's time though. With your attitude, you are most definitely not someone I would ever want to stand next to in combat, nor would any other individual in the military. Rangers and Special Forces are some of the most respectable yet crazy individuals out there. They love the shit and nearly all can basically be described as super grunts. The ones I have ran across have all been the most badass individuals, and the most worthy of respect, that I have ever met.
You'd be a waste of the Army's money and probably end up dead because a lot of the training would probably bore you and your lack of attentiveness would end up getting you killed.
Stay away. Please.

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Looks like I should have put a "Currently enlisted soldiers need not post, please" message.

I vote for a ban based on the sheer idiocy of the OP.

 

[SAWYER]

Wow is this a joke post? No way would you get in or deserve to with this shitty entitlement attitude.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: Beev
It's hard to explain, but the kind of job where no one knows you exist. Where you have to give up your friends/family in order to take said job. You go on covert missions (be it squad based or not) and learn pretty deep military training. More so than the average soldier gets.

i ran an ad in the computer section of the SF yellow pages,
and went to some trouble to use CGI (for an ad in 1994).

i had 2 interviews with people who work for the government.
i was a little slow on the uptake after the second interview,
the guy told me to send him my resume and it was a little
amorphous, it was never made clear with whom i was interviewing.
it was kind of a getting-to-know-you business interview.

i regret not following up faster, the second guy was a very
diverse network tech & i would have learned a lot.

anyway, the tech route is a good route for clandestine
government service. and if you want to blow things up,
you can always pursue that part time or full time.

i would say the government likes computer guys who are also
able to blow things up. video games don't count, unless you
are the one writing the video game.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: yllus
Haha, I just finally got something about this forum - how fake offended people act in here at the smallest opportunity. Aside from the whole inquiry not being very serious, who in their right mind wouldn't want to know if there was a way to skip the "entry level" position and start off with something more glamourous? I sure as hell would want to know if there was a shortcut to the top.

I would have had no problem with the OP if he had said he wanted to start at the top, but he bad mouthed soldiers and that's not cool at all. His comments were a disgrace and disrespect the people who serve our country and put their life on the line. He's the first person online I've actually wished I could physically assault, and I've been online since 1995.

if he had said "I think I'm skilled enough to be Special Ops from the jump" he would have gotten ripped up by people for being stupid and they'd tell him to get a clue.

Here is what he said "Because I don't want to be like every other no name piece of trash over there?" That's a HUGE difference between simply saying "I don't want to be a solider" he deserves every bit of flack he's getting, and I know if my non violence ass wants to beat the shit out of him for the comment, others can't be far behind.

I think the OP should get a perm ban for his choice of words.

 

[SAWYER]

It should be a perm ban from life.

 

[Rowboat]

This thread makes me think of that scene in office space where they are looking up money laundering in the dictionary.

I don't think your first step to black ops is asking people on an internet forum.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: RowboatI don't think your first step to black ops is asking people on an internet forum.

how about on Craigslist ?

why would you want to work in Black Ops ? Area 51 is much more fun.