How Dysfunction Helps The GOP

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How Dysfunction Helps the GOP

The party says its own mistakes prove government can't work.

By THOMAS FRANK

'Remember the $400 hammer? How 'bout that $600 toilet seat?" asks a Conservatives for Patients' Rights TV commercial criticizing President Barack Obama's health-care plan. "Seems when Congress gets involved, things just cost more."

As it happens, I do remember the incident of the $436 hammer, the one that made headlines back in 1984. And while it may "seem" in hazy retrospect as though it showed how "things just cost more" once those silly liberals in Congress get started, what the hammer episode actually illustrated was a very different sort of ripoff. The institution that paid so very much for that hammer was President Ronald Reagan's Pentagon. A private-sector contractor was the party that was pleased to take the Pentagon's money. And it was a liberal Democrat in the House of Representatives, also known as "Congress," who publicized the pricey hardware to the skies.

But so what? Myth is so much more satisfying than history, and with myth the competence of Washington actors from 25 years ago doesn't matter any more. Nor does it matter which arm of the federal colossus did what. Republican or Democrat, White House or Congress, they're all part of a monolithic, undifferentiated "government" that acts according to a money-burning logic all its own.

The myth has been getting a lot of play from conservatives in recent weeks as the debate over health care has heated up. The message, as always, is that government can't do anything right.

Where the conservative mythologists show their hand is when they use their own monumental screw-ups, committed during conservatism's long years in charge of the government, to prove that government in general is a futile proceeding, and that Democratic health-care plans, in particular, can't possibly succeed.

We heard this bizarre reasoning during last year's campaign season. "Unless you're pleased with the way the federal government has been running anything lately," Gov. Sarah Palin declared last October, when the federal government had been answering to her fellow Republican for nearly eight years, "I don't think that it's going to be real pleasing for Americans to consider health care being taken over by the feds."

Among former President George W. Bush's gravest and most characteristic blunders, of course, was his administration's response to Hurricane Katrina, when the nation learned the true price of government by crony and contractor. But for conservatives, that is too nuanced a view. The real lesson to learn from Katrina as we debate health care is simply that government can never work. "The federal government would run a health care system -- or a public plan option -- with the compassion of the IRS, the efficiency of the post office, and the incompetence of Katrina," carps the official summary of the Republicans' Patients' Choice Act.

I've always thought that P.J. O'Rourke was only half joking when he wrote, years ago, that "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it." Conservatives grasp the grand strategic sweep of politics better than liberals, and consequently they have always seemed to understand that what they do when they're in charge can help to reinforce the myths that put them there.

A government that works, some conservatives fear, is dangerous stuff. It gives people ideas. Universal health care isn't just a bad idea for their buddies in the insurance business; it's a gateway drug to broader state involvement in the economy and hence a possible doomsday scenario for conservatism itself. As two fellows of the Ethics and Public Policy Center fretted in the Weekly Standard in May, "health care is the key to public enmeshment in ballooning welfare states, and passage of ObamaCare would deal a heavy blow to the conservative enterprise in American politics."

On the other hand, government fails constantly when conservatives run it because making it work would be, for many of those conservatives, to traduce the very laws of nature. Besides, as we can now see, bungling Katrina recovery or Pentagon procurement pays conservatives huge dividends. It gives them potent ammunition to use when the liberals have returned and are proposing another one of their grand schemes to reform health care.

This is the perverse incentive that is slowly remaking the GOP into the Snafu Party. And in those commercials and those proclamations we should also discern a warning: That even if Democrats manage to set up a solid health-care program, conservatives will do their best, once they have regained power, to drop it down the same chute they did the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Maybe they will appoint a tobacco lobbyist to run the thing. Maybe they will starve it for funds. Or antagonize its work force. And as it collapses they will hand themselves their greatest propaganda victory of all. They will survey the ruins and chide, "You didn't really think government could work, did you?"
The party of "no" uses their own failures as a mark against government, then tells us only they can save our country. Although it didn't work in the 2008 election, there were still tens of millions of people who voted for McCain regardless of the obvious Republican propaganda campaign. If the Democrats didn't have 60 Senate seats, I fear the GOP propaganda would have been effective enough to stall health care reform yet again.

 

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
lock up the thread, no source since i bet its from some whacko leftwing place
Quoted for :laugh:
 

BoberFett

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Republicans don't need to do anything right now. They can sit back and let Democrats prove it doesn't work. The next four years of new big government programs are going to be a spectacular failure laying at the feet of Obama.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
lock up the thread, no source since i bet its from some whacko leftwing place
Quoted for :laugh:

you do know that an OPINION piece, has no bearing at all, after i did my own research, and found it from teh WSJ opinion area, i then did some research on his other articles...

here are some of his titles

"11/19/08 It's Time to Give Voters the Liberalism They Want"
"Obama Should Act Like He Won"
"Government by Contractor Is a Disgrace"
"Goodbye to All That"
"Conservatives and Their Pity Parties"


nope, absolutely not a left-wing whacko at all


wait... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
 

cubby1223

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jpeyton, you yourself are a propaganda machine.

Seriously, what is it about Obama that makes you think he's the one who can finally get it right? Republican control it's been a mess. Democratic control it's been a mess. Obama is different how? He knows how to use a teleprompter better than all predecessors? What is it?
 

EndGame

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What's funny about this thread is that he and a few others actually believe this is limited to ONLY Republicans!:laugh: Both parties are dysfunctional and prove it regularly.......when one goofs up bad enough be it congressmen, president, even state/local politics, we elect the other.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: EndGame
What's funny about this thread is that he and a few others actually believe this is limited to ONLY Republicans!:laugh: Both parties are dysfunctional and prove it regularly.......when one goofs up bad enough be it congressmen, president, even state/local politics, we elect the other.
Hell it goes beyond politicians, it's Americans in general.
 

senseamp

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I think the point of the article is not who is or isn't dysfunctional, but which party has a vested interest in the government being dysfunctional.
 

MikeMike

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jpeyton, you were so fast to call my callout out, yet once i proved my point, you left, rather quickly... what happened?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: senseamp
I think the point of the article is not who is or isn't dysfunctional, but which party has a vested interest in the government being dysfunctional.

Both? Especially when that party is out of power.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
jpeyton, you were so fast to call my callout out, yet once i proved my point, you left, rather quickly... what happened?

He's getting a box of tissues so that you may dry your tears....
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Republicans don't need to do anything right now. They can sit back and let Democrats prove it doesn't work. The next four years of new big government programs are going to be a spectacular failure laying at the feet of Obama.

It'll probably take more than four years for the Democrats' "Gov't as Santa Claus" model to drive us all into insolvency.
 

Phokus

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Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: EndGame
What's funny about this thread is that he and a few others actually believe this is limited to ONLY Republicans!:laugh: Both parties are dysfunctional and prove it regularly.......when one goofs up bad enough be it congressmen, president, even state/local politics, we elect the other.
Hell it goes beyond politicians, it's Americans in general.

I agree on both accounts.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
lock up the thread, no source since i bet its from some whacko leftwing place
Quoted for :laugh:

you do know that an OPINION piece, has no bearing at all, after i did my own research, and found it from teh WSJ opinion area, i then did some research on his other articles...

here are some of his titles

"11/19/08 It's Time to Give Voters the Liberalism They Want"
"Obama Should Act Like He Won"
"Government by Contractor Is a Disgrace"
"Goodbye to All That"
"Conservatives and Their Pity Parties"


nope, absolutely not a left-wing whacko at all


wait... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA



LOL. This does not surprise me that it is jpeyton's brainwa...i mean...reading material.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
jpeyton, you were so fast to call my callout out, yet once i proved my point, you left, rather quickly... what happened?

Because such a drive-by hit piece by a known left-wing hack is not a hill to die on for even our hardcore resident left-wing hacks.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.

Phokus.txt
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Phokus
Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.

Phokus.txt


Yea he probably keeps that one on his clipboard so he can CTRL+V in any thread.
 

Moonbeam

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About all Republicans ever have is public dissatisfaction to put them in office. So the constantly beg and propagandize the people that Government doesn't work, meaning of course the only government we ever get, government by Democrats. Then, buying into their own bull shit, when they do get in off ice they put a polo player in charge of FEMA, certain that any idiot can run the government.

What you wind up with is that egotistical little inferiority complected butt-heads, mostly males, wind up voting for them as a way to express their imagined superior contempt.

This is why the Republican party is a repository for assholes.
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.

ROTFLMAO!:laugh:

That's GOT to be Satire! Surely nobody is quite that ignorant.......
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: EndGame
Originally posted by: Phokus
Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.

ROTFLMAO!:laugh:

That's GOT to be Satire! Surely nobody is quite that ignorant.......
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OCGuy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EndGame
Originally posted by: Phokus
Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.

ROTFLMAO!:laugh:

That's GOT to be Satire! Surely nobody is quite that ignorant.......
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Better continue that graph. :laugh:
 

dali71

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EndGame
Originally posted by: Phokus
Lets be honest, the only reason government fails in America is because we have republicans... Europe doesn't have to deal with that and their standard of living is great and their people are happy.

ROTFLMAO!:laugh:

That's GOT to be Satire! Surely nobody is quite that ignorant.......
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And here's a chart showing who controlled Congress during the same timeline:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od...l_party_division_2.htm

 
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