Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: exdeath
I was going to say drop a 3800 SC in that but a quick glance shows that as standard equipment =D Hope you got rid of those 2.93 gears though... shed some weight. 100 lbs = 1/10s
/rips out his interior Ricer-Style
Anybody who knows what they are doing and picks the right car and spends the money in the right places can get into the 11s with little effort these days. Just a engine swap with no mods in a Civic hatch can get 12s for under 10 grand. Bolt ons to a stock 03 Cobra can get 9s and 10s for under 30 grand. I'd say if you were in the 12s youd be in stock Viper, Vette, Cobra territory, and be able to smoke just about any normal car on the road including popular 'sporty' cars that are trendy with teens.
Cliffs: "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"
I agree with you though. Everyone who talks about twisty mountains roads just has a slow car and they know it. You always hear about people talking about (to name just 2 examples) how their Acura or BMW is better because of better handling... so why are people in those cars always revving at me at a red light on a straight with a merge up ahead?
1. They're idiots.
2. They're high-schoolers.
3. 2 is redundant, ignore it.
4. They haven't driven anything faster than what they're sitting in, and thus it is totally beyond their comprehension that such a car can exist.
5. See #3 re: #4 being redundant to #1.
6. The sound of a blown V8 gives me wood, and I know you won't deny me the pleasure of hearing it.
City roads and highways are straight with lots of stops and short hops to the next stop. Thus low end torque and straight line acceleration is where it is.
Personally, I
like flying around corners and moving swiftly through clogged traffic. The guy with the LS2 angrily revving at me from a few car-lengths back on the interstate because he can't place his car properly is having a lot less fun that my piddly little 1.7L zinging along in front.
- M4H
I'm talking things like:
-rear seat and seat belt hardware (optional visible change)
-lighter front seats (optional visible change)
-light weight sheet metal track wheels (optional visible change, need with slicks anyway)
-spare tire, jack, brackets
-gel type battery
-tubular suspension components
-aluminum block
-aluminum or composite drive shaft
-2 piece rotors
-sheet metal bellhousing (lighter and required for lower ETs anyway)
-aluminum flywheel (if you have enough bottom end to launch good)
If you are running with a street car with a chromoly cage you might as well get rid of all the redundant and heavy side impact support beams, etc.
The driver seat alone in my Cobra is like a 65 lb reduction if I were to replace it with a Sparco/Momo/etc. I don't like power seats anyway, take too long to wait on a motor when you can just flip a lever and put it where you want it instantly.
Most cars you can shave a good 300 lbs or more without altering stock comfort, appearance, or safety by doing 1:1 discrete replacement with lighter, stronger, simpler (ie: more expensive) parts. Still get to keep the carpet and A/C, etc Many parts are a result of cheap or lazy engineering. ie: 20 lb iron bracket that does nothing but hold the alternator, stuff like that. How much does that power antenna assembly weigh and how often do you even listen to OTA radio? Does the crank pulley of a internally balanced V6 have to be made out of solid iron? etc.
Thats the diff between a fully equipped 3500 lb 'pig' and a still fully equipped 3200 lb Vette if you look at like that =D Or the diff between a 13.2 and a 12.8.
Ricers take out a headlight, carpet, headliner, console, emblems, AC, PS, mirrors, windows, etc. to make the most out of their stock 105 HP engine, then add it back on with a 100 lb facia, 150 lb wing. Meanwhile summer comes along and they are baking, surrounded by their bare sheet metal vtec oven *snicker*