How high can gas go?

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: TallBill
Car companies need to stop selling 30 mpg cars as "high fuel efficiency" when they have the technology for 70+ And consumers need to learn to buy a smaller car.

could not agree more.
i see Chevy? commercials on tv, we have 8 models that get 30 mpg or more!
30 mpg is not good u morons. i had a mid 90's civic that got 40 mpg.

By today's standards, 30 mpg is competitive. Sure, it doesnt compare to earlier automobiles gas mileage, like your older civic, but cars today are much bigger than they were in the 80's and 90's. And they keep getting bigger every year.

From a quick google search, a 1995 2 door Civic weighed 2231 lbs and today's 2008 civic weighs 2875 lbs.

not just bigger but safer. both for the driver and enviorment.

but yeah wish i still had my old 02 honda Accord. it was small but got great gas mileage heh

FYI: A new civiv gets 40 mpg.

That's the Civic hybrid that gets 40 MPG, a regular Civic gets 26/34 (manual) 25/36 (auto)

A co-worker of mine just bought one to replace his very old Cviic. Manual transmission. He gets 42 mpg highway.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Baloo
Out economy is already destroyed. Just takes a while for it to ripple about.

Watch gas prices drop after January next year.

To what specifically? Back to $2 $3? $4?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Baloo
Out economy is already destroyed. Just takes a while for it to ripple about. Watch gas prices drop after January next year.

I hope you don't think this is due to politics.

1) inflation has occurred over the past 5+ years.

2) The value of the dollar has gone down in the world economy over the past 5+ years.

Gas in 2001 was $1.85 adjusted for inflation only:
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/show/1005381


The additional rise is easily explained. Gas companies are in an industry where they have headroom to raise prices. Even if other countries take most of the cash for themselves as someone recently posted, if that changes oil companies will keep the prices high. People still are willing to pay current prices so why would oil companies make gas cheap again?


Anyways, make of this chart what you will:
http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/

 

[Ruptga]

A several years ago a teacher at my old high school took a survey, the most common answer for "what price before you make a major change" was 10$/gallon

Myself, I've already moved on to cycles, the one I have gets in the 60-65mpg range, and it's more fun to drive.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Hell, you could die falling down stairs or a million other things that you have no control over. Using that as a reason not to do it is lame. Bicycling isn't that dangerous.

I'm sorry but comparing falling down the stairs (or even getting hit by a bus as a pedestrian) to purposely putting yourself in front of hundreds of random cars driven by random people per day every weekday is not the same risk factor. You are hugely increasing your risk of injury/death being out there so often with extremely little protection, riding on shared roads. You DO have control over this risk.

We have bike lanes in NYC too... one drive straight up Broadway and you can see they may as well not be there. Cabs, trucks, fire trucks, buses, and all us regular drivers making stops & turns with so many streets in a small span of land. Huge fricken mess.

Oh bullshit. I've been riding on the roads for decades and I'm still alive. I've slipped walking down the stairs more times than I've laid my bike down because of some cager.

I grew up in upstate NY riding on two lane 50mph roads with no shoulder. I've ridden all over Los Angeles and now I'm living in San Diego and riding on the roads down here. Been doing it as long as I've been able to ride a bicycle.

You make it sound as though I'm lucky to be alive. I think you overestimate the danger.

What part of hugely increasing your risk compared to being in a car or not even out on the road do you not understand? Yet you equate that with the risk of falling down stairs?!

Restating assertion != a valid argument

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bctbct
The next President needs to negotiate with Venezuela to increase suppliers instead of fighting with them to lower supplies cough<bush>cough

Venezuela has turned into a sh!t-hole under Chavez. He nationalized the oil industry (along with other industries) and they've had a reduced output because the state run oil company is failing while Chavez plays political games with the profits instead of reinvesting in the state run oil company. Not because of anything that Bush has or hasn't done.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: eldorado99

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Queasy

You're being disingenuous.

They cut back on production because the costs of refining increased (because of the price of a barrel of oil) to the point where they were losing money.

This was from a link that you provided previously.

You actually believe that? and you call me being the one "disingenuous". :roll:

Go back and read that link you posted. Correctly this time. You got your math wrong on your reply to my post then too.

Are you saying oil companies are LOSING money?!

Not oil companies. Oil refineries. dmcowen linked to an article in another thread where he picked out one paragraph that said oil refineries were decreasing output to increase profit. When you click and read the whole article you find out the reason they are decreasing output to increase profits is because the price of a barrel of oil had increased their costs significantly. They were losing money because of that.

 

[Sphexi]

We're paying 1.249 per liter up here in Canadia, assuming our dollars are still roughly the same, that's $4.996 per gallon roughly. So eat it.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: TallBill
Car companies need to stop selling 30 mpg cars as "high fuel efficiency" when they have the technology for 70+ And consumers need to learn to buy a smaller car.

could not agree more.
i see Chevy? commercials on tv, we have 8 models that get 30 mpg or more!
30 mpg is not good u morons. i had a mid 90's civic that got 40 mpg.

By today's standards, 30 mpg is competitive. Sure, it doesnt compare to earlier automobiles gas mileage, like your older civic, but cars today are much bigger than they were in the 80's and 90's. And they keep getting bigger every year.

From a quick google search, a 1995 2 door Civic weighed 2231 lbs and today's 2008 civic weighs 2875 lbs.

not just bigger but safer. both for the driver and enviorment.

but yeah wish i still had my old 02 honda Accord. it was small but got great gas mileage heh

FYI: A new civiv gets 40 mpg.

That's the Civic hybrid that gets 40 MPG, a regular Civic gets 26/34 (manual) 25/36 (auto)

A co-worker of mine just bought one to replace his very old Cviic. Manual transmission. He gets 42 mpg highway.

My figures were from the gov EPA website but I believe that's possible, I drove a '95 escort that always got 30 in town
and 39-41 on the Hwy. What the EPA website doesn't take into effect is how the person drives, it rated my old car as
25/35 but a little common-sense driving got you extra MPG..

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

believe it or not, but the united states has excess refinery capacity.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

There is no refinery crisis.

They just cut back on refinery production because they said they aren't making enough record profits.

No refinery crisis? Excess refinery capacity?

Go to Google and punch in United States oil refining capacity.

A Push To Build New U.S. Refineries

U.S. Refiners Stretch To Meet Demand

U.S. Shortage of Oil Refining Capacity Called Critical

U.S. refining capacity bottleneck boosts prices

The Emerging Oil Refinery Capacity Crunch

There are many more links where those came from. This is not a new thing, except to people that choose to ignore it. :roll:

 

[Engineer]

It's not just gas/diesel prices kicking regular drivers in the nuts, it's the shipping costs to move goods around. I talked to a trucker that stated that it took $1,600 to fill his truck up if it were bone dry. All of those NAFTA shipping fools from Mexico (my company included) are shitting bricks about shipping costs right now! :shocked:

Wait until more of it "trickles down" (great words there, eh?) to your daily goods such as foods and clothing. Inflation could be pretty hefty during that time assuming the economy doesn't collapse into a full blown recession.

 

[GoatMonkey]

Why do you guys keep comparing older cars with the same name to the new car? They are the same in name only.

The 1976 Accord is not in the same class as the 2008 Accord. A better comparison with the 1976 Accord would be the 2008 Honda Fit.

You can't even compare the 1990 Accord with the 2008 Accord very reasonably. The 1990 Accord is closer to the 2008 Civic. Maybe the 1990 Accord is a little bigger, but it's a closer comparison. The 1989 Accord is even closer to the 2008 Civic in dimensions.

Not to mention other differences in regulations requiring the car to get heavier. It has just moved into a larger size class. The new Accord is a FULL size sedan now.

How about we compare these next...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...9/Buickcentury1941.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...aa/Buick_-_Century.jpg

They're both the same car right?

 

[ultimatebob]

Hey... gas is $8 a gallon in Germany, and folks are still driving there!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: sportage
They talk about $4 a gal gas by this Summer.

its was 4.04 today in NY, LOL summer

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
A several years ago a teacher at my old high school took a survey, the most common answer for "what price before you make a major change" was 10$/gallon

Myself, I've already moved on to cycles, the one I have gets in the 60-65mpg range, and it's more fun to drive.

And in places like CA you are immune to bumper to bumper traffic. You can go between the lanes

If I didn't live so close to work, I'd consider driving a motorcycle (even though it's more dangerous than driving a car). I use a bicycle

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Hey... gas is $8 a gallon in Germany, and folks are still driving there!

In 2005 germany used 2.5mbbl/day. The US used 20mbbl/day. Germany had 82MM population, US has 300MM. If germany used the same amount of oil per person that the US does, it'd only use 9.14mbbl/day.

$8 gas would do this country good.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Ha try paying $2.25 a litre.

Just finished watching the news, economists reckon that you still have a 50-60 cent rise coming in the next 5-6 weeks.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Hey... gas is $8 a gallon in Germany, and folks are still driving there!

In 2005 germany used 2.5mbbl/day. The US used 20mbbl/day. Germany had 82MM population, US has 300MM. If germany used the same amount of oil per person that the US does, it'd only use 9.14mbbl/day.

$8 gas would do this country good.

Keep in mind that a much higher% of cars in Europe run off diesel but even taking that
into consideration we still burn a lot more. We have to change our culture here that's the
key, we've been addicted to HP and cushy comfort for so long but it has to end somewhere.
Even if we could have $2 gas again we would just return to massive overpowered vehicles..