How Hot? Color Laser Printer $799.00 AR

Nebakanezzar

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Hey All,

Frys has the Minolta Magicolor 2200 Color Laser Printer for $999 - $200 MIR = $799

20ppm Mono 1200dpi
5ppm Color 1200dpi

Anyone know how reliable this printer is? seems like $799 for a color laser printer is a screaming deal!

out...
 

freebee

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You can also get it at Staples, with coupon...for lil less. It is no match for the hp 4600 though, but it is much cheaper. Just keep in mind a full toner change may run into the 500 range...so upkeep is still significant.
 

Apex

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Or from Dell home for $626.50 shipped after rebate. few minutes left.

BTW, I picked one up over a month ago. I really like it.
 

weepul

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i remember when color laser printers were $3000. price sure has dropped. i luv my b/w laser printers. had a hp LaserJet 6L, hp LaserJet 1100, hp LaserJet 2100, sever brothers MFC, and now i'm on Samsung ML-1210. just gotta luv the speed and quality. btw, how much is it for ink toner?
 

WebDude

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Originally posted by: freebee
Just keep in mind a full toner change may run into the 500 range...so upkeep is still significant.
OUch! I knew the cartridges were expensive, but not that much. Maybe they should just give the printers away, and just make their money off the refills. Kinda like they do with the inkjets (sorta), but on a different scale.

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misterj

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wow they are cheap nowadays. 500 for a cartridge? ouch. how much does that come out per page? and i forget how much inkjets come out per page.

any info on wide format b&w lasers?
 

numatrix

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These printers are only good for LIGHT volume printing. We had similar models at the office. We got them for about $1000 a pop, Wow, was what I thought, pretty cheap for a color laser. But after about 6k pages, problems start to arise. Also expect to pay out of your rears for toner and maintenance (oil, fuser, rollers). The toner are about 130 for each color (4) per 6000 pages. The routine maintenance kits about about 600 bucks every 12k pages. Both of our units are broken now with about 22k & 24k pages.

Also, don't even try to find someone to work on these printers after the warranty period unless you want to pay someone to come onsite. I've search the whole MD region for a service center with no luck. And at 175/hr for a service tech to come on site, it becomes prohibitively expensive to own these units, especially when it only cost 1k to obtain. We just went with the freecolorprinters.com deal and should be getting the unit soon.
 

misterj

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ouch. guess you gotta just stick with hp/xerox or the other big names for serious printing. thanks for the info
 

allodial

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I bought a Magicolor 2200 about a year ago when it was $1300. The reviews were great and the value couldn't be beat. The quality of the print was excellent. I had no complaints with the print whatsoever. However, there are two things of which you must be made aware before you buy this printer.

First, it is incredibly loud. I kept it on a cabinet next to my desk, and the volume was unbearable when it prints. Its specs call for 55dBa while printing, and 41dBa when idle. I like to keep a TV on tuned to MSNBC, which I had to keep too loud when the printer was on, and had to turn it even louder to still hear it when the printer was printing. I talked to a Minolta CSR who seemed pretty knowledgeable who suggested replacing the fan with a quieter one for a little less noise during idle, the same as you would do for a PC, but I didn't keep it to try this out.

Secondly, the consumables on this machine will kill you. The following is the analysis I did before purchasing mine based on information provided on Minolta's website.

Component/ Pages/ Cost/ Per Page
Transfer belt/ 107,000/ $349.00/ $0.0033
Fuser oil roller/ 21,000/ $49.00/ $0.0023
Fuser,transfer kit/ 100,000/ $499.00/ $0.0050
Waste toner pack/ 30,000/ $29.00/ $0.0010
OPC drum/ 30,000/ $99.00/ $0.0033
Toner Cartridge black/ 6,000/ $77.00/ $0.0128
Total Cost per Page/ / / $0.0277

(If anyone knows what I should have done to format this into a table, please let me know.)

As you can see, I was expecting to pay about 2 3/4 cents per page black and white. A similar analysis for color implied I would be paying about 9 3/4 cents per page for color prints. However, after about 2,000 copies, the waste toner pack was full. It was supposed to be good for 30,000 copies. Rather than spend $29.00 for a new one, I emptied it and put it back into service, though I'm not sure if my lungs paid any price for my penny pinching efforts. The black toner cartridge was spent after about 2,500 copies for $77.00. The fuser oil roller went next at about 3,800 copies, for another $49.00. And of course, they don't give you any warning that they are about to expire. And once they do, the printer is locked out. I had to run to CompUSA for a replacement to print the next page. I threw up my hands and called Minolta very angrily. The rep said that the capacities of the consumables are rated for continuous duty, and intermittent use only gets a smaller percentage of the continuous use ratings. By printing a few pages at a time and turning the machine on and off every day, my usage was only about 20% of the above ratings. So, instead of spending less than 3 cents per page black and white, I was spending what I estimated to be 12 to 15 cents per page. I was scared to death to think that I must be paying 50 cents per page or more for color.

I will say that Minolta was kind enough to consider my pleas for resolution, and accepted the printer back for a full refund. CompUSA where I bought it would do nothing for me, since it was well after the 14 day return period when I discovered how truly expensive this machine was to operate.

If you are willing to pay the rate per page and put up with the sound levels, then I say go ahead. It has excellent print quality and laser jet speed in both black and white and color. And based on Minolta's courteous response to my appeals, I say the company is great.

If anyone owns one and wants a partially used full set of toner cartridges, black, magenta, cyan, and yellow, and a used but extremely clean waste toner pack, send me a private message and I would be more than happy to sell them to you cheap. Minolta told me to send the printer back without them, so I still have them and haven't gotten to Ebay yet.
 

csims

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Just bought one at my local Sam's club for $699 no rebate. Print quality is great. Searching the web, color toners cheapest found $129 refill kit $89 black is about half that. Drum and oiler haven't looked up yet. Hope i don't need any of them for a while.
 

huesmann

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Originally posted by: numatrix
These printers are only good for LIGHT volume printing. We had similar models at the office. We got them for about $1000 a pop, Wow, was what I thought, pretty cheap for a color laser. But after about 6k pages, problems start to arise. Also expect to pay out of your rears for toner and maintenance (oil, fuser, rollers). The toner are about 130 for each color (4) per 6000 pages. The routine maintenance kits about about 600 bucks every 12k pages. Both of our units are broken now with about 22k & 24k pages.

Also, don't even try to find someone to work on these printers after the warranty period unless you want to pay someone to come onsite. I've search the whole MD region for a service center with no luck. And at 175/hr for a service tech to come on site, it becomes prohibitively expensive to own these units, especially when it only cost 1k to obtain. We just went with the freecolorprinters.com deal and should be getting the unit soon.

At that price you could just buy a new printer for what it would cost in toner and maintenance parts...kind of like inkjets these days.
 

GetReal

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Just another point of view on these NEC based color lasers. NEC markets these to several OEM including Minolta, Richoh,GE under the Genicom name and several others. We have two if the Richoh re-branded models (AP204N) that we paid $999 for over two years ago and they have worked flawlesly over 150K pages each. They are more economical and they have given us far less trouble than the HP 8100Ns and the Phaser 850 & 860 ink stick color printers that we also own.

IMO the major mis-understanding here is the cost to operate ANY color laser. Color lasers including the Minolta are not intended for personal use even though the initial cost of some entry level units have dropped to the price range of upper-end ink jets. I would also disagree with the cost breakdown posted a couple of posts above. These NEC based printers use a different toner cart for each color and while they are rated at 6K pages @ 5%, the effective yield is much higher if the printer is used as per manufacturer directions. Yes, it is true that you will only get a 1K yield if you are printing full page color photographs, but so will any other color laser. You can also buy a full toner refills for all four carts for under $200.00 from reliable toner refill companies or even eBay if you want (checkout 2063263762 for an example). As for the other supplies listed, yes they are required, but they are also required with every other color laser and even most B/W lasers. Most of the problems listed with the units come from operator ignorance rather than poor unit performance. As with all color lasers, these units consume a considerable abount of toner each time they are powered on. This is especially true for the fuser life and the fuser oil supply. As stated in any color laser owner manual that I have ever read, you MUST leave your unit on all the time to get the optimum performance and maximum life from consumables.
 

WebDude

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Would there be any problem in leaving this unit on continually, even if the usage was only light? I do that with my H&P b/w laser all the time, and have no problems whatsoever. I imagine it would be the same for a color laser, but really don't know. However my Epson color inkjet HAS to be turned off if not used for a period of time. If it's not turned off (via the on/off switch on the printer itself), ink will clog in the jets, as I found out the hard way.

WebDude
 
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