How is Trump not in violation of the Nepotism law?

HomerJS

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Trump just hired his son-in law as a Senior White House Advisor. The following law was put on the books after JFK hired his brother Bobby as Attorney General

5 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2010 Edition
Title 5 - GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION AND EMPLOYEES
PART III - EMPLOYEES
Subpart B - Employment and Retention
CHAPTER 31 - AUTHORITY FOR EMPLOYMENT
SUBCHAPTER I - EMPLOYMENT AUTHORITIES
Sec. 3110 - Employment of relatives; restrictions

A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual.

relative” means, with respect to a public official, an individual who is related to the public official as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOD...-partIII-subpartB-chap31-subchapI-sec3110.htm
 
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Kitchen Cabinet
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Popular use[edit]
In colloquial use, "kitchen cabinet" refers to any group of trusted friends and associates, particularly in reference to a President's or presidential candidate's closest unofficial advisers. Clark Clifford was considered a member of the kitchen cabinet for John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson before he was appointed Secretary of Defense. Robert Kennedy was uniquely considered to be a kitchen cabinet member as well as a Cabinet member while he was his brother's Attorney General.

Ronald Reagan had a kitchen cabinet of allies and friends from California who advised him during his terms. This group of ten to twelve businessmen were all strong proponents of the free enterprise system. His California backers included: Alfred Bloomingdale, Earl Brian, Justin Whitlock Dart, William French Smith, Charles Wick, William A. Wilson, auto dealer Holmes Tuttle, beer baron Joseph Coors, steel magnate and philanthropist Earle Jorgensen, and about four to six others. Coors was the major funder and most active participant. He also funded many think tanks and policy institutes at about this time, including the Heritage Foundation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet
 

IronWing

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Kitchen Cabinet

Ronald Reagan had a kitchen cabinet of allies and friends from California who advised him during his terms. This group of ten to twelve businessmen were all strong proponents of the free enterprise system. His California backers included: Alfred Bloomingdale, Earl Brian, Justin Whitlock Dart, William French Smith, Charles Wick, William A. Wilson, auto dealer Holmes Tuttle, beer baron Joseph Coors, steel magnate and philanthropist Earle Jorgensen, and about four to six others. Coors was the major funder and most active participant. He also funded many think tanks and policy institutes at about this time, including the Heritage Foundation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet
Were these folks working on the government dime and what blood or marital relationship did they have to the President?
 

Starbuck1975

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While it reaks of nepotism it is not in violation of nepotism laws or safeguards. Trump knows this and is using the son in law appointment to throw the scent off the vetting of his other appointments.

At some point the chorus of controversy becomes ignorable white noise.
 
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nageov3t

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at least he's going to divest any conflicts of interest.... by selling his assets to his mom


can we at least take a step back and appreciate what the reaction would have been if one of Clinton's first actions before even getting inaugurated was hiring her investment banker son-in-law and putting his ex-convict dad in charge of his assets?
 

FIVR

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Short answer is Trump can do whatever he wants and violate any law as long as there is no-one to hold him accountable... which is exactly the case. If you charged him with a violation of these laws (which he has very blatantly violated) he could just issue a blanket pardon for himself and Kushner... then what? Nothing, that's what.


The only way you will stop Trump from violating laws is if he violates some state law where you have a sympathetic state AG to charge him, or if you manage to get enough members of congress to support impeachment. Likelihood of either of those happening is extremely low. Congress needs Trump to rubber stamp their idiocy, so they won't impeach him until he does a good deal of that first.
 

PokerGuy

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Short answer is Trump can do whatever he wants and violate any law as long as there is no-one to hold him accountable... which is exactly the case. If you charged him with a violation of these laws (which he has very blatantly violated) he could just issue a blanket pardon for himself and Kushner... then what? Nothing, that's what.

See post # 4. Then try again.
 

FIVR

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Lol. Just because he's not getting payed, doesn't mean appointing him as advisor to the President isn't nepotism. It is a position of great importance, and appointing your son-in-law is the definition of nepotism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism

Absolutely nothing in there requires payment of any kind. It's favoritism.


Try again.
 

nageov3t

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You mean like how Bill Clinton appointed Hillary to lead health care reform under his administration? What's good for the goose...
how'd that actually work out for them?

maybe this will fall into a technically-legal area, but man... I don't understand how even Republicans can support Trump hiring his 35 year-old son-in-law -- a guy for whom there was literally a book written about how his dad had to buy his way into college because he did so badly in school -- and putting him in charge of negotiating peace in the Middle East.
 
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Were these folks working on the government dime and what blood or marital relationship did they have to the President?
They weren't getting paid and why does it matter about relationships if they aren't getting paid? Is there some law about asking family for advice? I'll answer it for you. No.
 

PokerGuy

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Lol. Just because he's not getting payed, doesn't mean appointing him as advisor to the President isn't nepotism. It is a position of great importance, and appointing your son-in-law is the definition of nepotism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism

Absolutely nothing in there requires payment of any kind. It's favoritism.


Try again.

Can you point to the part of my post where I said anything about it not being nepotism/favoritism/cronyism? Oh wait, I didn't say anything about it. OP asked why Trump isn't in violation of the law, I provided the answer.
 

IronWing

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They weren't getting paid and why does it matter about relationships if they aren't getting paid? Is there some law about asking family for advice? I'll answer it for you. No.
Then why did you bring them up? They had nothing to do with the discussion.
 

FIVR

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Can you point to the part of my post where I said anything about it not being nepotism/favoritism/cronyism? Oh wait, I didn't say anything about it. OP asked why Trump isn't in violation of the law, I provided the answer.

Oh I see, you just don't understand the laws themselves. ProTip: The law doesn't specify that the party engaging in Nepotism must pay his appointment.


He's 100% in violation of many laws, but he has the pardon to protect him, which makes any attempted prosecution both useless and extremely stupid on the part of anyone who might try. It would make them a huge target and we all know Trump likes revenge.
 

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redraider89

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Oh I see, you just don't understand the laws themselves. ProTip: The law doesn't specify that the party engaging in Nepotism must pay his appointment.


He's 100% in violation of many laws, but he has the pardon to protect him, which makes any attempted prosecution both useless and extremely stupid on the part of anyone who might try. It would make them a huge target and we all know Trump likes revenge.

You like making up stuff don't you. You might as well say, Trump is 100% in violation of many laws, namely posing as a human being when he is really a lizard man from outer space. That's just as substantiated as your claim.

Besides, it's the Hillary supporters and Democrats who set the standard that politicians are not be be held accountable for violating laws, not Republicans. So what are you complaining about?

And you want Trump to be charged with violating laws so you can get revenge for him winning the election. So it's ok for you to get revenge, but not Trump. Got it.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Trump is not in office therefore he hasn't broken any laws regarding the Presidency.
If Trump inserts a relative into an official position at that time he will have broken law.
Any President can seek advice from any person as he sees fit. If compensated for that advice then it is an illegal act.

It's not really rocket science folks.

If anyone disagrees show me where asking someone, even a relative, for advice is an illegal law in fact. Note "asking" not "compensating". No pay, no official position.

Go.
 
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redraider89

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Republicans are not bound by ethical concerns among their own, anyway.

Then why wasn't Hillary held accountable for not just ethical concerns, but actual illegal concerns, if Democrats supposedly are bound by ethical concerns? Quite a hypocritical comment. The reason is that it is the Democrats, as well as Democrat supporters such as yourself, who are not bound by ethical concerns rather than Republicans.
 
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OrByte

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Trumps son-in-law will do a fantastic job providing Trump with advice and help facilitate the growth/expansion/enrichment of the Trump businesses overseas.

That is what his job will be. You know what though? that's ok, Trump and his family have every right to try and make money. That is all that matters.

Just try not to f_ck over the rest of us in the process.
 
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