How long can we keep gay marriage illegal?

[CBone]

Why do so many people care about what 2 consenting adults do? I couldn't care less about someone else's marriage/union/whatever. It doesn't affect mine in the slightest. You can have all of the wacko religious ceremonies you want, but they don't mean crap to the state until that license is filed. No church or religion is required for a marriage, just someone to act as officiant, which also has to be licensed, and someone to witness.

On a side note, why is it SOP to push your religious beliefs on someone when you are Christian, but it needs to be stopped when another belief system does the same?

 

[b0mbrman]

If gays could have civil unions with all the material benefits of a heterosexual marriage, what would they then be lacking that they'd want to receive? A government-issued marriage certificate?

 

[CQuinn]

They would be lacking the same value for thier commitment that society seems to place on the
commitment of marriage. This is in itself an example of a "seperate but equal" doctrine.

The problem with seperate but equal is the logic of the idea, if the new method (civil unions) gives
a citizen exactly the same thing as the old method (marriage) then there is no compelling reason
to not provide the old method as standard for every citiizen.

And for those who say "hopefully forever" , I will provide the historic reminders of Slavery, Prohibition,
Denying women the right to Vote, Jim Crow, and the Draft were all things that people used to believe
were "hopefully forever".

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

yah, next we can target the blacks again too...


oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

What POSSIBLE harm is gay marriage to ANY of us? You have let this administration dupe you into believing this is an issue of import. Meanwhile, the fat cats get fatter on the backs of the common folk. We are all in deep, deep trouble.

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: Shortass
Why is there a need for gay marriage? I'm by no means religious, but as I understand it it's against the Christian religion, and marriage is a Christian activity (heh, wrong word but wherever). I'm down for gay's getting the same financial deals as married couples, and if they adopt then I'm down for them getting the same aid married couples with children have... but why go against the bible and it's teachings? I don't care if you're straight or gay or whatever you call yourself, equality is nesessary, but if they get the same benefits then the term "marriage" doesn't need to be tacked onto it.

Your assuming that no gay people are christian. And why exactly should 'marriage' not be tacked on to it? For that matter, lets get rid of marriage altogether...thay way we don't have to worry if someone is gay, black or just weird.

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

yah, next we can target the blacks again too...


oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

What POSSIBLE harm is gay marriage to ANY of us? You have let this administration dupe you into believing this is an issue of import. Meanwhile, the fat cats get fatter on the backs of the common folk. We are all in deep, deep trouble.

I'm not afraid of their marriage, good for them. It's if/when they have kids. I can see it becoming a defence. The kid commits a crime like murder and the laywer says, "The kid had an unstable upbringing, he had two fathers...." and the kid is determined innocent.

 

[timswim78]

I think that this really depends on what happens in the Supreme Court. It is unlikely, but possible, that Bush could be appointing four justices in this term.
William Rehnquist is 80 and is in poor health = very likely to step down
John Paul Stevens is 84 and in good health = likely to step down as he will be 88 by the time Bush's term is up
Sandra Day O'Connor is 74 = possible, but not likely that she will step down
Ruth Ginsburg is 71 = slight possibility that she will step down

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: JetBlack69

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

yah, next we can target the blacks again too...


oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

What POSSIBLE harm is gay marriage to ANY of us? You have let this administration dupe you into believing this is an issue of import. Meanwhile, the fat cats get fatter on the backs of the common folk. We are all in deep, deep trouble.

I'm not afraid of their marriage, good for them. It's if/when they have kids. I can see it becoming a defence. The kid commits a crime like murder and the laywer says, "The kid had an unstable upbringing, he had two fathers...." and the kid is determined innocent.

Is it better than one father and no mother or one mother and no father?

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: JetBlack69

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

yah, next we can target the blacks again too...


oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

What POSSIBLE harm is gay marriage to ANY of us? You have let this administration dupe you into believing this is an issue of import. Meanwhile, the fat cats get fatter on the backs of the common folk. We are all in deep, deep trouble.

I'm not afraid of their marriage, good for them. It's if/when they have kids. I can see it becoming a defence. The kid commits a crime like murder and the laywer says, "The kid had an unstable upbringing, he had two fathers...." and the kid is determined innocent.

OMG, another enlightened argument. What about all the murders by people with one mother and one father? Maybe we should ban hetero marriage? Get rid of all the murderers

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Is it better than one father and no mother or one mother and no father?

I personally don't care about gay marriages. My dad brought up the defence argument when we were talking about it.

I believe it is better to have parents that love you than parents who don't.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

I don't think so, how long did they keep blacks from marrying whites?

I think eventually, it'll happen, but not now.

Then again, did we ever allow polygamy?

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: timswim78
I think that this really depends on what happens in the Supreme Court. It is unlikely, but possible, that Bush could be appointing four justices in this term.
William Rehnquist is 80 and is in poor health = very likely to step down
John Paul Stevens is 84 and in good health = likely to step down as he will be 88 by the time Bush's term is up
Sandra Day O'Connor is 74 = possible, but not likely that she will step down
Ruth Ginsburg is 71 = slight possibility that she will step down

One point worth noting is that we will have new Senate elections in two years. Its definately possible that the Senate majority for Bush will decline to a very narrow majority at that point, which could effect how conservative a court justice Bush could sucessfully nominate. The Democrats still maintain the option and threat of filibusting an objectionable nominee.

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad
OMG, another enlightened argument. What about all the murders by people with one mother and one father? Maybe we should ban hetero marriage? Get rid of all the murderers

Well, people have blamed murders on music, tv, movies and video games. What's from stopping them from blaming gay parents?

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: yllus
I'm pro-gay marriage, but it's amusing that people think that a referendum for gay marriage would pass. It's not the religious right that is holding this one back - a whole lot of people feel this way.

I agree, gay people can get priests to marry them if they look. I can safely say most people don't want it because they don't view it as "normal".

 

[Carbo]

I believe it is better to have parents that love you than parents who don't.

So do I. And one should have testicles, and the other shouldn't.

oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

Disagreeing on an issue does not a bigot make. Can someone disagree with you and not be labeled as such? Seems to me you are intolerant.

What POSSIBLE harm is gay marriage to ANY of us? You have let this administration dupe you into believing this is an issue of import. Meanwhile, the fat cats get fatter on the backs of the common folk. We are all in deep, deep trouble.

Not all parents want to raise their children to think that perverse behavior is the norm. And the administration didn't dupe anyone. The public voted, loud and clear, that sexual perversion is not to be sanctioned by the government. You've been duped by the media into thinking that heterosexuality is a failed experiment, and that the aberrant behavior you exhibit is the norm.

One point worth noting is that we will have new Senate elections in two years. Its definately possible that the Senate majority for Bush will decline to a very narrow majority at that point, which could effect how conservative a court justice Bush could sucessfully nominate.

You're a desperate man, aren't you?

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Carbo

One point worth noting is that we will have new Senate elections in two years. Its definately possible that the Senate majority for Bush will decline to a very narrow majority at that point, which could effect how conservative a court justice Bush could sucessfully nominate.

You're a desperate man, aren't you?

Historically the party of the President usually loses House and Senate seats during the non-Presidential elections. Its also true that one major factor working in Republican's favor this time is more Senate Democrats than Republicans retired, this could very well go the other way in 2006. In fact, its possible the Democrats cleared out most of the Senators interested in retiring in this election. Its also true that the American public is typically wary about leaving one party with too much power.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Carbo

oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

Disagreeing on an issue does not a bigot make. Can someone disagree with you and not be labeled as such? Seems to me you are intolerant.

Not allowing gay marriage IS bigoted.
"You can't let gays use the word 'marriage!' That's OUR word!"
Civil unions for ALL, or for none. Then the whole issue of who's allowed to use the word "marriage" will be left up to the churches.

 

[Winchester]

Originally posted by: ntdz
hopefully forever.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Carbo

oh god, the intolerance and bigotry of some members of this country never ceases to amaze me.

Disagreeing on an issue does not a bigot make. Can someone disagree with you and not be labeled as such? Seems to me you are intolerant.

Not allowing gay marriage IS bigoted.
"You can't let gays use the word 'marriage!' That's OUR word!"
Civil unions for ALL, or for none. Then the whole issue of who's allowed to use the word "marriage" will be left up to the churches.

:beer:

 

[Hossenfeffer]

So what about the items on the state ballots that forbid gay marriage -and- civil unions?

I attribute the intolerance to the "icky" factor.

I, too, am positive things will turn around, but we're looking at a decade at least.

Seems to fall largely into some sort of Church vs. State issue.

 

[TravisT]

I can tell you that people my age I have talked to in my state remain against Gay Marriage. I dont' forsee it changing anytime soon here. Oregon, the capital of liberalism, also passed the law pretty easy. I would be suprised to see a lot of other states change their mind within the next 15 years.

 

[Red Dawn]

Evangelicals and Conservatives like telling others how to live. They have found homosexuals as an easy target for their obsession.

 

[classy]

This is a done deal. You have like 20 states who will ratify their state constitutions and now that Bush has total and complete power, no doubt they will amend the constitution.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Carbo
Gay marriage was overwhelmingly rejected yesterday. It's not going to happen, thankfully. And the myth about the "youth vote" is just that, a myth. The MTV generation is not going to effect elections or policy.

Additionally, this country is growing older, not younger. It will be that way for a while.