How long should your resume be (10~ yrs of exp)?

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DrunkenSano

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Most major companies don't read full resumes. The people responsible for checking over resumes usually categorize them as 10 second resumes, 15 second resumes, 30 second resumes, etc. Basically they briefly scan your resume, if there are key words that they are looking for are present, they will scan it a bit longer. You're not suppose to write a novel.
 

herm0016

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mine is one page for positions within the company, 1 front and back for outside positions. if they like the front, they can turn it over for more info, if not, pitch it. I think this workes well and is somewhat thoughful.
 

jaedaliu

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Most major companies don't read full resumes. The people responsible for checking over resumes usually categorize them as 10 second resumes, 15 second resumes, 30 second resumes, etc. Basically they briefly scan your resume, if there are key words that they are looking for are present, they will scan it a bit longer. You're not suppose to write a novel.

I'm surprised nobody reads the entire resume. How do they pick who to interview?

Some companies have an automatic keyword filter that eliminates resumes.

Then a HR employee filter that eliminates more resumes.

Then a hiring manager that will read the resumes that get through, and chooses who to interview.
 

dullard

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How long should a man's legs be? Long enough to reach the ground.

How long should a resume be? Long enough so that everything in it is relevant and/or impressive to those who will read it.

It is as simple as that. Get rid of fluff, get rid of irrelevant junk. Put in good whitespace so that key details can be found quickly. For high school or fresh college graduates, the result often is less than a full page. But for someone with experience it could be any length. But almost no one has enough relevant experience that the resume should be a novel. Keep it to the length that keeps everything in it relevant, impressive, and quick to find.

At least in my 3 jobs and my wife's job, the resumes were read by all potential collegues and discussed in detail. Don't let others fool you into thinking it only gets you an interview.
 
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DAGTA

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As long as it needs to be to show your relevant experience. Do not keep it arbitrarily short to fit some perceived rule. I interviewed a man yesterday and was surprised to see his resume was only two pages.

Ignore the length. What's important to me in the content and how it's organized. If it's difficult to read, that tells me your writing skills need work.

I've been reviewing resumes, interviewing and hiring IT staff continuously for the past four years.
 

xBiffx

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I have never considered the length of a candidate's resume during the hiring process. It has to be as long as it has to be.

I will say that it is pointless to go back more than 10 years with regards to experience, especially if applying for a position having anything to do with technology.
 

randomrogue

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Not a parody, genuinely curious.

I heard the old rule that it should never be more than one. Now I hear it's okay to have two.

Now that I'm older (30) with 9~ yrs of professional working experience, should it still be contained within a page? I can still get away with 1 (more descriptions in latest jobs, less on oldest jobs).

People with similar working experience or more- is your resume 1 or 2+ pages? If 2, you don't cut it at 1.5 right? You fill it to the end.

Mine had grown to 3 pages. So what I did was created a page with old stuff on it that might not be the most relevant and got mine back to two pages. I have the 3rd page in the pdf as a sort of addendum.

Make it stick out. Write a short and sweet cover letter. Be awesome at the interview.
 

sunzt

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Please get rid of the objective. That's a useless statement that takes up valuable space. No recruiter want to hear about how you "want to utilize my in depth experience to benefit the company," or how you "want to improve your skills while excelling in a upwardly mobile position and adding value to the organization.

Use a "Professional Summary" and show how you will be valuable to the business.

That's not how you write an objective.

An objective shows that this resume is relevant:
"To obtain a full-time embedded systems position in the aerospace industry located in the North East United States"

It tells the employer the following:
1) you want full time position, not contract or part-time
2) you want an embedded systems position (which is presumably what the position is or similar to the position)
3) you want something in this industry
4) your desired location

In other words, it tells the employer what YOU want so they don't waste their time trying to determine what you want.
 

PenguinPower

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That's not how you write an objective.

An objective shows that this resume is relevant:
"To obtain a full-time embedded systems position in the aerospace industry located in the North East United States"

It tells the employer the following:
1) you want full time position, not contract or part-time
2) you want an embedded systems position (which is presumably what the position is or similar to the position)
3) you want something in this industry
4) your desired location

In other words, it tells the employer what YOU want so they don't waste their time trying to determine what you want.

I don't care that you want "to obtain a full-time embedded systems position in the aerospace industry located in the North East United States." You applied for x position based on the JD posted. You know what it entails.

Objective statements are outdated and useless.
 

sunzt

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I don't care that you want "to obtain a full-time embedded systems position in the aerospace industry located in the North East United States." You applied for x position based on the JD posted. You know what it entails.

Objective statements are outdated and useless.

Do you know how many NON related applications HR gets? It's because people just submit a resume to any position regardless if it's related or not. Just because HR gets a resume doesn't mean that the person knew what it entails.

If you're HR, you should care if the person is:
1) applying for the right type of employment (part-time/contract/fulltime)
2) applying for a relevant job (accounting vs engineering etc)
3) interested in your location

If the person doesn't meet 1-3 then what's the point of going further? And if the person does meet 1-3 then it means that this resume is more interesting. Would you really want to read through a resume to find out the person had no relevant qualification or interest in your location after you spend time contacting them?

People care because it saves time.
 

Drako

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Two pages max, no matter how long you've been working. I don't need a detailed description of what you worked 10 or more years ago.

If I see a resume longer than two pages, it gets chucked.

<---- Been working for over 30 years, resume is two pages.
 

grrl

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False.

Your resume should be as long as necessary to list all relevant information as it relates to the position for which you are applying. That's it. There's no catch all length, and the above is antiquated advice.

This.
 

randomrogue

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Two pages max, no matter how long you've been working. I don't need a detailed description of what you worked 10 or more years ago.

If I see a resume longer than two pages, it gets chucked.

<---- Been working for over 30 years, resume is two pages.

This is maybe the difference between a CV and a Resume. My CV has a page of just awards, hobbies, publications, awards, etc and that grows as you get older.
 
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If you are young and relatively inexperienced, then no more than a page makes sense. But you have 10 years of work history. I'm assuming you're applying for a job that requires a lot of experience, in which case, if you submit a 1 page resume, it's going directly into the trash. You can't convince me of 10+ years of experience in a single page; it just won't happen. I was just involved in hiring for a couple positions that required around 3 years of experience, and we didn't bring in a single person who submitted a 1 page resume. Granted, you're also presumably doing a cover letter, references and the like, but your resume should still be broad enough to give an idea of your applicable work history, and with your experience, squeezing it onto 1 page makes no sense.

But, as other mentioned, don't go too long either. We don't need to know about how you spent a summer bagging groceries in high school. Stick to relevant experience.
 

PenguinPower

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Do you know how many NON related applications HR gets? It's because people just submit a resume to any position regardless if it's related or not. Just because HR gets a resume doesn't mean that the person knew what it entails.

If you're HR, you should care if the person is:
1) applying for the right type of employment (part-time/contract/fulltime)
2) applying for a relevant job (accounting vs engineering etc)
3) interested in your location

If the person doesn't meet 1-3 then what's the point of going further? And if the person does meet 1-3 then it means that this resume is more interesting. Would you really want to read through a resume to find out the person had no relevant qualification or interest in your location after you spend time contacting them?

People care because it saves time.

Let me tell you how a modern-day staffing department works:

1.) For points 1-3, my ATS takes care of that.

2.) Submit an application to "any position?" Oh, look, ATS filtered you out because you didn't meet minimum reqs.

3.) Lied about minimum reqs? Your resume shows don't meet minimum reqs. My specialist wasted 5 seconds of time. If there had been objective, it would have been 7 seconds.

4.) Hand delivered? Go apply through the ATS.

5.) Know a C-staff? Don't need a res, you got the job.

Objective statements do not save time, they take up space. They had a place prior to the rise of the ATS, but as I said...they are outdated.
 

Baked

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Last 2 jobs relevant to the job you're applying for. Keep it at 1 page if you can, 2 page maxium. I don't need to see what kinda job you had from elementary school to 30's. Objective is fine as long as it's related to the position.

<--- Hires people for a living.
 

AreaCode707

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Proper layout for a resume

Name
(No photo!!!! I seriously shouldn't even have to say this.)
Phone number
Email address
Address Line 1/2 (Recommended)
City, State Zip (Recommended), Country (If other than the country you're applying to​

Objective/Summary
I recommend this section if you can write a decent one that actually sums you up in 2-3 sentences and gives an overview of you resume. Nobody reads cover letters anymore; this IS your cover letter. If you intend to just fill this with meaningless buzzwords and fluff it works against you; leave it off.

Work Experience
Company --------------------------- Location
Title --------------------------- Start/End Dates

If your title is not sufficient to give the reader a picture of your place/role in the organization include one sentence, as short as you can, positioning yourself.


  • 3-5 bullets total. Measurable accomplishments
  • Responsibilities with measurement of level of success
  • Technologies you used, deliverable you produced with them and measurable effect/use/success of the deliverables
  • Projects with measurable outcome
  • Sensing a theme? What you did won't get you hired; how well you did it will. Don't tell the story of you coming to work day to day; tell the story of how you made positive impact within the company, with numbers as much as possible.
Repeat the experience entries as many times as necessary to cover your work history. Generally you don't want to exceed 15 years of history on your resume unless you've got a darn good reason. Nobody wants to read about your first job at the roller skating rink. If you've been doing the same thing for 20 years, 15 years of experience is plenty to show that you know what you're doing. Listing everything you've ever done could potentially work against you by exposing your age too.

As your experience entries get older/less relevant, use less description and fewer bullets. The last few entries on my resume are relevant but almost 12 years old so I have listed only the titles/companies, with zero descriptive content. At that point it matters more THAT you did it over HOW you did it.

This is true for recent but irrelevant experience; you were a professional surfer for two years but you're applying for a programming job? Stick the title in there but don't describe it. It explains the gap in your employment but nobody cares about what went into it because it doesn't affect your ability to do the job.

Do not exceed two pages. In some industries try to stay to one page (notably Finance/Banking) because the culture hasn't shifted and hiring managers have old fashioned notions of "proper" resumes. In tech industries, two pages is standard if you have more than 3 years experience. If you are fresh out of college or have less than three years of experience, do not exceed one page. Trust me, this will save you from blathering on and looking less experienced/professional.

Education
School --------------------------- Location
Degree, Subject --------------------------- Start/End Dates (Omit dates if you are over 40)

Do NOT include high school in your education section.

If you have less than 3 years of experience in the area into which you're applying:

  • Include GPA. If you have greater than 3 years experience then GPA is optional (and nobody really cares.)
  • Include 1-3 relevant special coursework/projects/TA roles/participation in academic studies, if any. Once you have some experience in your field, omit this.
Certifications
Optional; only include if your certifications are current, are recent enough that you still have the skill, and relevant to the area in which you're applying. Listing a ton of irrelevant certifications dilutes your resume.

Skills List
Not recommended. If you have the skill, include it in your experience by name and show how you used it. Recruiters are not that stupid; if a recruiter pull you up in a keyword search and the only place in your resume that contains that keyword is the skills section, they are going to discard your resume.

Don't think of yourself as desperately fishing for any job; think of targeting yourself specifically for the jobs you actually are a great fit for. If you're worried about recruiters adding ridiculous extra search terms, believe me, recruiters are desperate to fill jobs as quickly as possible (they're usually paid partly based on their time-to-fill metrics), and they aren't throwing in extra irrelevant criteria just for fun to make their job search harder.

Awards
(Optional) You can weave these into experience often, or you can call them out if you have enough that it looks good.

Published Work
(Optional) If you actually have relevant published work you *might* consider including it. Better yet, make a list available on request.

References
(Very optional) Everyone already knows they can get your references upon request; no need to state that. Include this if you feel you have to, but nobody cares whether it's there or not. DO have a ready list of references, where you called in advance and got their permission to use them as a reference (seriously, I shouldn't have to say that either...) that you can provide when asked.

If your recent experience is irrelevant but you have older experience that is relevant, following the guidelines above can screw you because all the good data will be lower down on your resume. In this case consider using a skills-based resume. Trim your experience section down to absolute minimum title/company/dates/location info, insert a Skills/Achievements type of section and describe your capabilities and accomplishments by category without regard to the job you were in at the time.
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Format and word this however you will; don't use MS Word content control boxes because half the applicant tracking systems out there can't properly scan and read them. Submit in MS Word or PDF format but make sure if you use PDF that it's a text-searchable PDF.

[edit] I'm currently responsible for one of the biggest applicant tracking systems on the market, have a recruiting background, and I spend pretty much every minute of every day talking to recruiters. And, btw, I know the online hiring process fvcking sucks right now; I'm working on fixing that. It's one of my life goals actually. If you have brilliant ideas about drastic ways to change things or you really want to dedicate your own technical skills to building incredible recruiting software, feel free to PM me.
 
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AreaCode707

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This is maybe the difference between a CV and a Resume. My CV has a page of just awards, hobbies, publications, awards, etc and that grows as you get older.
A CV is a regional term for a resume. Nobody in any country wants to see your hobbies; your publications should be available on request, and your awards should be worked into your experience section if relevant for the job you're applying to.
 

randomrogue

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A CV is a regional term for a resume. Nobody in any country wants to see your hobbies; your publications should be available on request, and your awards should be worked into your experience section if relevant for the job you're applying to.

In Europe people want a section on what you do in your spare time. They want someone who they share interests with and are not just about work. Simple things like the Thursday afternoon interdepartmental soccer games make a difference. You need depth to your persona to get in the door.
 

Zargon

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In Europe people want a section on what you do in your spare time. They want someone who they share interests with and are not just about work. Simple things like the Thursday afternoon interdepartmental soccer games make a difference. You need depth to your persona to get in the door.

some of that should come from the interview process



I'm around 10 yrs exp and I used a 2 page resume when I got my last job. same for 2 years before that when I got the one I just left
 

randomrogue

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[edit] I'm currently responsible for one of the biggest applicant tracking systems on the market, have a recruiting background, and I spend pretty much every minute of every day talking to recruiters. And, btw, I know the online hiring process fvcking sucks right now; I'm working on fixing that. It's one of my life goals actually. If you have brilliant ideas about drastic ways to change things or you really want to dedicate your own technical skills to building incredible recruiting software, feel free to PM me.

They need to stop with the "everything is online" thing. People can't even get through security to talk to a real person. If you find someone on linkedin they refer you to their online application process. This is a terrible way to find an applicant unless you're hiring a robot. It amazes me that people hire sales people in this way. The solution is to stop limiting everything. The online application process is fine but they should still allow people to show some initiative and get in the front door (or back door).
 

Golgatha

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2 pages tops with few exceptions (e.g. highly published scientist listing their list of publications, patents, etc in addition to main resume). I personally just revised my resume, but I took out a lot of the details regarding my education, and focused more space on my work history and professional societies I'm affiliated with. I have 2 full pages.
 

PenguinPower

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They need to stop with the "everything is online" thing. People can't even get through security to talk to a real person. If you find someone on linkedin they refer you to their online application process. This is a terrible way to find an applicant unless you're hiring a robot. It amazes me that people hire sales people in this way. The solution is to stop limiting everything. The online application process is fine but they should still allow people to show some initiative and get in the front door (or back door).

It's called building a network. Your network is how you get around the online application process (well, until you have to submit online for tracking purposes).
 
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