How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

[Aegeon]

This topic is quite a lie.

We are dealing with a virus, a global pandemic. It will burn its way through the population and that is it.

The President, our government, our actions... they have nothing to do with the outcome here. Because we cannot change the outcome.

As noted this is nonsense. On top of some people never getting in the first place, slowing the rate of spreads buys time for a vaccine and sufficient medicine to become available. (Some basic precaution such as people washing their hands also can have an impact.) There is some evidence a specific medication or two do have an impact, and at least if too many people do not become infected too quickly that medication could become available for at least the most serious cases.

Furthermore fatality rates are going to be impacted by whether at least the most severe cases can be properly treated in a hospital or not. (Its true that part of this has to do with existing hospital capacity which has been impacted by the Trump administration's actions over the last 3 years rather than actions take right now, but that certainly does not get this administration off the hook. It should be noted that a reason we are not in worse shape right now is House Democrats in particular blocked Trump administration's previous efforts to for example significantly further cut the budget of the CDC and the US Department of Health and Human Services.)

 

[Jaskalas]

So... the Spanish flu could be no more serious than the common cold too. Or it could kill you in 3 days. That's how many flu viruses work, and oddly enough, largely dependant on how human societies react to the infection.

People can react to having a bacterial infection and get antibiotic treatment. There is no action to be taken for a virus.

 

[Jaskalas]

As noted this is nonsense. On top of some people never getting in the first place, slowing the rate of spreads buys time for a vaccine and sufficient medicine to become available.

It's a virus, there is no medicine for it.

The vaccine, if rushed, won't be readily available until sometime in 2021.

Slow the rate the spread, you wanted us to close our borders?

 

[Amused]

It's a virus, there is no medicine for it.

The vaccine, if rushed, won't be readily available until sometime in 2021.

Slow the rate the spread, you wanted us to close our borders?

I'm curious, are you aware of just how SARS and MERS were contained? That virus epidemics CAN and HAVE been contained?

 

[alien42]

I'm curious, are you aware of just how SARS and MERS were contained? That virus epidemics CAN and HAVE been contained?

Those were contained because they were so deadly. Covid19 can be carried and spread without any symptoms and is uncontainable.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm curious, are you aware of just how SARS and MERS were contained? That virus epidemics CAN and HAVE been contained?

IIRC, neither were nearly as contagious as this new corona virus which is already on the loose & well past the stage where it can be contained.
It can be slowed but not contained imho.

 

[JSt0rm]

IIRC, neither were nearly as contagious as this new corona virus which is already on the loose & well past the stage where it can be contained.
It can be slowed but not contained imho.

its funny how long trump snoozed on this crisis.

 

[Aegeon]

It's a virus, there is no medicine for it.

You're just poorly informed at this point.

Gilead starts two late-stage studies to test drug for coronavirus

Gilead Sciences Inc <GILD.O> said on Wednesday it has started two late-stage studies to test its drug in patients with severe and moderate cases of the illness caused by the coronavirus, sending its shares up 4% in extended trading.

www.reuters.com

Note the medicine in question has already previously shown to have some success against the similar MERS virus.

COVID-19 treatment co-created by UBC researcher begins clinical trial

A possible treatment for COVID-19 created by an international team, including a researcher from UBC, has arrived in China for a clinical trial.

bc.ctvnews.ca

How experts plan to treat the new coronavirus

As the coronavirus outbreak in China continues to spread, having infected over 24,000 people so far, scientists around the world are racing to find a treatment.

www.livescience.com

If what you claimed about medicines being unable to treat viruses was true, there would for instance be no medications which could treat the HIV virus is existence right now. Its true that it has been harder to create antiviral medications compared to antibiotics, but recently there have been some real developments in this area.

The vaccine, if rushed, won't be readily available until sometime in 2021.

There is a question if it could be at least partially available later this year which could still be helpful.

Slow the rate the spread, you wanted us to close our borders?

I'm talking about people washing their hands properly, possibly avoiding handshakes in some situations and similar precautions. At this point if you're talking about the US it is too late to keep it out by closing the borders anyways, and realistically that could for instance not be legally justified if talking about US citizens regardless for example. (You may be able to continue some sort of quarantine efforts, but actually denying them entry to the US would not work.) Of course of top of this, doing something like blocking absolutely everyone from the EU and the like from entering the US would not be realistically economically viable for any length of time anyways.

 

[JSt0rm]

You're just poorly informed at this point.

Gilead starts two late-stage studies to test drug for coronavirus

Gilead Sciences Inc <GILD.O> said on Wednesday it has started two late-stage studies to test its drug in patients with severe and moderate cases of the illness caused by the coronavirus, sending its shares up 4% in extended trading.

www.reuters.com

Note the medicine in question has already previously shown to have some success against the similar MERS virus.

COVID-19 treatment co-created by UBC researcher begins clinical trial

A possible treatment for COVID-19 created by an international team, including a researcher from UBC, has arrived in China for a clinical trial.

bc.ctvnews.ca

How experts plan to treat the new coronavirus

As the coronavirus outbreak in China continues to spread, having infected over 24,000 people so far, scientists around the world are racing to find a treatment.

www.livescience.com

If what you claimed about medicines being unable to treat viruses was true, there would for instance be no medications which could treat the HIV virus is existence right now. Its true that it has been harder to create antiviral medications compared to antibiotics, but recently there have been some real developments in this area.


There is a question if it could be at least partially available later this year which could still be helpful.


I'm talking about people washing their hands properly, possibly avoiding handshakes in some situations and similar precautions. At this point if you're talking about the US it is too late to keep it out by closing the borders anyways, and realistically that could for instance not be legally justified if talking about US citizens regardless for example. (You may be able to continue some sort of quarantine efforts, but actually denying them entry to the US would not work.) Of course of top of this, doing something like blocking absolutely everyone from the EU and the like from entering the US would not be realistically economically viable for any length of time anyways.

trump is a simple man with simple solutions.

 

[HomerJS]

I don't think we can put a number on it but I am sure more will die because Trump is in charge.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Remember folks this guy would totally vote for a Democrat if they just shared his ‘values’.

Nominated for response of the year!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I got the joke, gave it the laugh reaction...

Had a fantasy, the POTUS is not immune from infection and it would be interesting to see Trump come down with this. He's not the smartest card in the deck.

You mean he is a brick short of having a full wall.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Here is Trumps repsonse to the coronavirus --

 

[JEDIYoda]

Live updates: First U.S. death confirmed; travel restrictions announced affecting Iran, Italy and South Korea in response to coronavirus

Live updates: First U.S. death confirmed; travel restrictions announced affecting Iran, Italy and South Korea in response to coronavirus

Right before White House’s news conference, health officials in Washington State confirmed that a person diagnosed with coronavirus in the state’s King County had died. President Trump described her as a “wonderful woman” and a “medically high risk patient” in her late 50s, at a news conference at the White House.

 

[allisolm]

Right before White House’s news conference, health officials in Washington State confirmed that a person diagnosed with coronavirus in the state’s King County had died. President Trump described her as a “wonderful woman” and a “medically high risk patient” in her late 50s, at a news conference at the White House.

Trump at it again. That "wonderful woman" was a man.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's a game of numbers. Because there is an exponential component to the growth, reducing transmission rate even a bit has a huge effect. It's like changing the base in an exponent.

Difficult to contain the transmission rate given that many transmitters have no idea they are carriers.

 

[feralkid]

trump is a simple man with simple solutions.

You are too kind.


He's a dUMFUQ with dUMFUQ solutions.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump at it again. That "wonderful woman" was a man.

Loser Donald and his toadies are normally clueless. Time to break out the Sharpie again!

 

[cytg111]

Loser Donald and his toadies are normally clueless. Time to break out the Sharpie again!

Indeed

 

[Amused]

IIRC, neither were nearly as contagious as this new corona virus which is already on the loose & well past the stage where it can be contained.
It can be slowed but not contained imho.

You recall incorrectely:

 

[Amused]

Those were contained because they were so deadly. Covid19 can be carried and spread without any symptoms and is uncontainable.

While SARS had a death rate of 10% the majority still, just like COVID-19, had mild symptoms. Some had no symptoms.

The only reason containment is failing on this virus is a lack of proper containment and NO pandemic response team in the US to respond quickly.

 

[pmv]

This topic is quite a lie.

We are dealing with a virus, a global pandemic. It will burn its way through the population and that is it.

The President, our government, our actions... they have nothing to do with the outcome here. Because we cannot change the outcome.

Sure you can. How individuals fare as the virus does its thing depends a heck of a lot on their access to healthcare, for one thing. For another there are things that can potentially slow the spread of it and take pressure off of those healthcare systems.

I don't know I have any _specific_ points about _specific_ Trump policies on the topic, mind. But it's just not an administration that inspires confidence in it's general competence.

I'm more bothered about countries outside the West, though, really. I mean, it's in Iraq now - next stop Syria, and then multiple refugee camps. That's surely going to cause mayhem and a lot of misery?

 

[Muse]

This topic is quite a lie.

We are dealing with a virus, a global pandemic. It will burn its way through the population and that is it.

The President, our government, our actions... they have nothing to do with the outcome here. Because we cannot change the outcome.

We can. The way we can change it is drawing it out, slow it. Slower the epidemic takes hold and plays out the more facilities we will have to deal with the patients who are more severely afflicted, which will mean that they have better care and better outcomes, on average. If we don't slow it down, at the most critical juncture(s) we will be ovewhelmed and lose a higher percentage of the afflicted. So, hygiene, quarantine in some situations, closures, possible vaccines at some point(s) can all help "change the outcome"

 

[Muse]

You mean he is a brick short of having a full wall.....

He's many bricks short and the analogy works nicely, he doesn't play with a full deck, never has. And the man really is rather stupid. I've seen him credited as not being stupid, but that's false. He really is rather substantially stupid.

 

[Jhhnn]

You recall incorrectely:

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Color me unimpressed. The text contradicts the chart as to the contagion factor of SARS, for example, and there's this-

That brings us back to the coronavirus now known as COVID-19. Because the disease is fairly new to medicine, researchers are still tabulating the data required to calculate R0 more or less in real time. As of February 19, 2020, estimates placed R0 above 1.4 but below 4, well within the range for other coronaviruses like SARS. (See this excellent Lifehacker article for more about the issues surrounding COVID-19 and R0.)

And, uhh, CV is obviously quite contagious given its rapid spread.