How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

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zzyzxroad

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To the conservatives: Recent polls show higher public approval ratings (on both sides) for Trump's handling of the virus problem. But does that indicate most of the public supports the stay-at-home orders and business closings by various states? It seems they support both.

Maybe I'm stretching it but don't really think so. It sounds like a reasonable implication to me. And if you support the business closings and stay-at-home then fine. Cool. We're both in agreement on those points.

Link?
 

Paratus

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Also, as I posted somewhere else, the study suggesting that combination would be useful was pretty weak, for a number of substantial reasons. At most, it's hypothesis generating to kickoff a more controlled study.
You know that and I know that. Trump doesn't.

"It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results. And we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They -- they've gone through the approval process; it's been approved. And they did it -- they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states," Trump said.
He added: "Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription."
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/covid-19-the-biology-of-an-effective-therapy/

ARS has a pretty good article on the biology of the virus and the potential areas therapies could target to limit the the disease.

They specifically talk about remdesivir which targets RNA polymerase and is currently in a COVID study by the NIH.


The article also covers chloroquine. It apparently can change the Ph of the cell which potentially inhibits a step in the COVID replication process.
(A study was dropped in Nature that shows promise in vitro which is great but quite a distance from proving a viable treatment)

Article also has a link to the French chloroquine - azithromycin “study” https://www.mediterranee-infection....2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

There’s some hope here but even if one or more treatments are effective it’s going to be weeks-months before it can be proven and rolled out for widespread use.
 
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To the conservatives: Recent polls show higher public approval ratings (on both sides) for Trump's handling of the virus problem. But does that indicate most of the public supports the stay-at-home orders and business closings by various states? It seems they support both.

Maybe I'm stretching it but don't really think so. It sounds like a reasonable implication to me. And if you support the business closings and stay-at-home then fine. Cool. We're both in agreement on those points.
Both sides eh?

Bullshit.

 
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shortylickens

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He cant make the beautiful being shut his face.
 
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41.5k confirmed cases in US, a jump of ~7k in less than a day.
Is trump still being a selfish cvnt about this? Wait, that's a silly question, he NEVER wasn't a selfish cvnt.
 
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you2

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This is somewhat misleading. What is happening is new york; realizing the federal govt can't provide kits is paying a private company to test people. This is allowing them to perform 10,000+ tests a night. So what we have are more confirmed cases but not not a rapid ramp up in infection rate (mind you the infection rate is probably accelerating but we don't know that yet due to lack of tests).
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Can we say it again - If trump had just spent a couple of billion of dollars on test kits 6 weeks ago we would likely not be in this mess.

Trump has a lot of flaws but i'm not sure selfish whatever is the problem here. He is just plain stupid. Well he is not totally stupid after all he did get elected but then again i'm always shocked how many people are conned - anyway i'm getting off topic.

We do need strong leadership but i'm not sure we will ever find it while trump is in office. His ego is too large (that is a real problem) to turn things over to others or take advice and his skill level is well - i'm sure we could find someone who would do a worse job somewhere but i'm not sure whom.

41.5k confirmed cases in US, a jump of ~7k in less than a day.
Is trump still being a selfish cvnt about this? Wait, that's a silly question, he NEVER wasn't a selfish cvnt.
 
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HomerJS

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I find these current totals fascinating

China Population: 1.38B Cases reported: 81,000 deaths: 3270
Italy Population: 60.5M Cases reported: 59,138 deaths: 5476

US Population 320M Cases reported: 40,850 deaths: 481

Based on population and the fact China got it first why are Italy's numbers so bad?

I did see an article Italy has numerous sweatshops making designer clothing and accessories with Chinese workers.
 

you2

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Italy numbers are bad because of social behavior and inability to isolate. China was slow to recognize the problem but once they understood what happened as a defacto dictatorship with strong leadership they were able to quickly lock things down to limit the worse damage to one city.
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Italy - ignore the warnings and once they realize it was a real problem they were still slow to enforce social distancing.
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Last but least i trust Italy data to be more accurate than China.
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Side note things are going to be pretty bad in England for the same reason - weak leadership slow to respond.

I find these current totals fascinating

China Population: 1.38B Cases reported: 81,000 deaths: 3270
Italy Population: 60.5M Cases reported: 59,138 deaths: 5476

US Population 320M Cases reported: 40,850 deaths: 481

Based on population and the fact China got it first why are Italy's numbers so bad?

I did see an article Italy has numerous sweatshops making designer clothing and accessories with Chinese workers.
 
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Amused

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My original math at 5x and 7x was vastly underestimating.

It's growing by at least a factor of 9x a week.

Fuck fuck fuck.
 
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hal2kilo

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Italy numbers are bad because of social behavior and inability to isolate. China was slow to recognize the problem but once they understood what happened as a defacto dictatorship with strong leadership they were able to quickly lock things down to limit the worse damage to one city.
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Italy - ignore the warnings and once they realize it was a real problem they were still slow to enforce social distancing.
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Last but least i trust Italy data to be more accurate than China.
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Side note things are going to be pretty bad in England for the same reason - weak leadership slow to respond.
The Italian birthrate is crap. There is a higher ratio of seniors. Not a complete picture but a data point. Being that seniors don't have as high of a survival rate.
 

sactoking

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In keeping with my "every couple of days" updates here is today's Nevada confirmed cases chart:
 

hal2kilo

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It's odd. Washington state seems to have flattened the curve. New York must have had all kinds of cases of people with the virus before they started testing, or they do more testing. I suspect Florida, and Louisiana (NOLA, mardi gras) will be the next bombs to drop.
 

vi edit

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If you've read/watched "The Expanse", right now Florida is Eros where they've locked all the people up and exposed them to high doses of radiation. It's incubating. And next couple weeks are going to be very bad. And DeSantis seems completely incapable of dealing with this.
 
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