How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

[vi edit]

Sort of a neat statistic today...

For the first time ever, my employer had more virtual(non face to face) visits than traditional in office visits yesterday. This is mostly due to a huge decline in scheduled visits as we try and cut exposure. But we have expanded virtual services by a factor of almost 20x what they were 2 weeks ago. That's a lot of the work I've been doing the last two weeks.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Sort of a neat statistic today...

For the first time ever, my employer had more virtual(non face to face) visits than traditional in office visits yesterday. This is mostly due to a huge decline in scheduled visits as we try and cut exposure. But we have expanded virtual services by a factor of almost 20x what they were 2 weeks ago. That's a lot of the work I've been doing the last two weeks.

Holy shit vi, what has it taken to achieve this?

 

[vi edit]

Holy shit vi, what has it taken to achieve this?

A lot.
- A federal initiative to move to virtual encounters
- A relax in regulations
- About 50 IT resources spread across a lot of different teams (infrastructutre, telemedicine, clin doc, informatics, rev cycle, EMR analysts, ect)
- A ton of work on the medical coding and compliance side
- Provider training
- Patient communication and training
- A dedicated help desk spun up on the fly to handle patient call volume for this new fangled technology
- A leadership that embraces the initiative and devotes appropriate resources to make it work

 

[DarthKyrie]

A lot.
- A federal initiative to move to virtual encounters
- A relax in regulations
- About 50 IT resources spread across a lot of different teams (infrastructutre, telemedicine, clin doc, informatics, rev cycle, EMR analysts, ect)
- A ton of work on the medical coding and compliance side
- Provider training
- Patient communication and training
- A dedicated help desk spun up on the fly to handle patient call volume for this new fangled technology
- A leadership that embraces the initiative and devotes appropriate resources to make it work

WOW and all in 2 weeks. I am impressed. Great job by you and your team.

 

[vi edit]

And kind of the cool part of that was that most of us did it "virtually". It's weird signing into a conference call of 15 people with web cams in t-shirts/hoodies working from their bedroom/living room. Telemedicine enabled via teleconferencing.

 

[UNCjigga]

I know Trump is an easy target here and the thread title is specific to Americans, but Boris’ Conservative government may take a run at which wealthy western nation was more ill prepared to handle this crisis. How’s that herd immunity working out??

London woman dies of suspected Covid-19 after being told she was 'not priority'

Kayla Williams, 36, from Peckham, south London, died a day after calling 999 Coronavirus – all updates

www.theguardian.com

Queen holds audience with PM by phone while Prince of Wales self-isolates with Covid-19

Monarch has weekly meeting remotely, and royal guests at Commonwealth event are told flag-bearer had coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

 

[you2]

He is responsible because his lack of action at a national level led to this mess. Not only did he not take any action (hint no test kits); he publicly down played the issue and in fact declared it a non-event. We should have had test kits widely available by mid to late feb. Now it is near the end of march and we still don't have test kits readily available in most areas and many hospitals and cities have turned to private companies and non-american companies due to trump total inept leadership.

It is hard to imagine a president in the last 40 years doing a worse job handling this situation. Maybe Bush but even bush administration wasn't this incompetent they were just corrupt. WIth trump with have both corruption and massive level incompetence across the board.

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

He is the country's CEO. He bears the most responsibility for our current state of affairs, especially given his criminally irresponsible daily press briefings and tweets.

You sir do not have a leg to stand on.

 

[Atreus21]

He is the country's CEO. He bears the most responsibility for our current state of affairs, especially given his criminally irresponsible daily press briefings and tweets.

You sir do not have a leg to stand on.

Was Obama responsible for the 10,000+ deaths which occurred during the swine flu outbreak?

Of course not.

 

[Indus]

Was Obama responsible for the 10,000+ deaths which occurred during the swine flu outbreak?

Of course not.

You make a good point but you have to think about this.. Ebola is much more infectious and we had it. The media had their panties in a bunch over it that Ebola came to America and infected 2 dallas nurses taking care of the ebola patient.

How was that handled vs how CoVID has been handled?

Did the disbanding of the pandemic office help its spread by losing valuable time?

As a military person.. you should know time is of the essence and can mean lives saved or lost.

 

[fskimospy]

Was Obama responsible for the 10,000+ deaths which occurred during the swine flu outbreak?

Of course not.

Trump could not have prevented all deaths from this virus but his incompetence and lack of action have certainly made the outbreak worse.

He is the president and helping stem outbreaks like this is part of his job. He is failing miserably and should be held accountable.

 

[you2]

Quiet frankly i disagree. He does not bear responsibility because he's the boss/ceo/president/moron in office. He bears responsibility because of his total lack of response. During a period when he should have been taking action he was busy tweating that it was a non-issue/hoax/democratic attack/whatever. Had he actually done something useful rather than play it down we might be in a much better position. Worse - he continues to muddle along with misleading statements and conflicting statement causing confusion at all level of the govt.
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A week or so ago he took political action by in-acting the DPA. Has he actually done anything useful with it - no - instead he is once again busy tweating how it is others faults instead of actually taking useful action.

He is the country's CEO. He bears the most responsibility for our current state of affairs, especially given his criminally irresponsible daily press briefings and tweets.

You sir do not have a leg to stand on.

 

[Atreus21]

You make a good point but you have to think about this.. Ebola is much more infectious and we had it. The media had their panties in a bunch over it that Ebola came to America and infected 2 dallas nurses taking care of the ebola patient.

How was that handled vs how CoVID has been handled?

I said swine flu, not ebola.

Did the disbanding of the pandemic office help its spread by losing valuable time?

As a military person.. you should know time is of the essence and can mean lives saved or lost.

Is Obama as responsible for the 10,000+ American deaths from swine flu as those here allege Trump is for C19?

 

[brycejones]

Was Obama responsible for the 10,000+ deaths which occurred during the swine flu outbreak?

Of course not.

But Obama is stupid response.

Plus it took you dip shits 2 months to come up with this talking point.

 

[fskimospy]

I said swine flu, not ebola.

Is Obama as responsible for the 10,000+ American deaths from swine flu as those here allege Trump is for C19?

Are you saying Obama’s response was as incompetent as Trump’s? If so, what part of his response are your faulting?

 

[Atreus21]

Are you saying Obama’s response was as incompetent as Trump’s? If so, what part of his response are your faulting?

I'm asking for a yes or no answer to my question.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm asking for a yes or no answer to my question.

Right, I’m seeking to answer your question but I need more information. How responsible a president is for deaths is directly related to the quality of their response to the disease.

I think we both agree Trump’s incompetence has been off the charts here so I’m trying to understand if Obama was similarly incompetent. If you can provide information as to how Obama’s response was similar, better, or worse, I can tell you if Obama is similarly responsible.

 

[fskimospy]

Atreus, I’m starting to suspect you don’t actually want an answer to your question. I hope that’s not the case.

 

[Atreus21]

Right, I’m seeking to answer your question but I need more information. How responsible a president is for deaths is directly related to the quality of their response to the disease.

I think we both agree Trump’s incompetence has been off the charts here so I’m trying to understand if Obama was similarly incompetent. If you can provide information as to how Obama’s response was similar, better, or worse, I can tell you if Obama is similarly responsible.

I'm sorry, but I'm simply convinced that if the current president had a D behind his name whereas all other substantial facts remained the same, this thread probably wouldn't exist.

Or at least it would've been started by one of the 2 or 3 republicans here, and sent to the graveyard after a week.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm sorry, but I'm simply convinced that if the current president had a D behind his name whereas all other substantial facts remained the same, this thread probably wouldn't exist.

Or at least it would've been started by one of the 2 or 3 republicans here, and sent to the graveyard after a week.

So you didn’t want an actual answer to your question then.

This thread and others point out specific actions (or inaction) that Trump has taken which made the US response to this virus worse. I don’t think any reasonably objective person would dispute that Trump’s response here has been very bad.

At a minimum your responses here insinuate that Trump’s response is no worse than Obama’s, so surely you must have some reason to believe that. What is it?

 

[abj13]

Atreus21, you do realize that the number of influenza deaths in 2009, 12,469, was one of the lowest mortality rates for a flu season before and after that particular season, right? Its almost as if you didn't do any research on the topic before bringing up President Obama.

Did President Obama tell people not to worry about the influenza pandemic? Did Obama fire essential staff for monitoring for the development of a pandemic? Did Obama breakup study groups that were trying to identify novel viruses before they become a world-wide pandemic? Did he decide he didn't care so much, and refused WHO testing during his pandemic? Did he deal with a testing shortage? Were there a shortage of personal protective equipment during that pandemic? Did he promote usage of drugs that have never been clearly shown to be effective against a virus and never approved by the FDA against the virus?

It really is like you put zero thought into your comment.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Sort of a neat statistic today...

For the first time ever, my employer had more virtual(non face to face) visits than traditional in office visits yesterday. This is mostly due to a huge decline in scheduled visits as we try and cut exposure. But we have expanded virtual services by a factor of almost 20x what they were 2 weeks ago. That's a lot of the work I've been doing the last two weeks.

Hang in there and stay safe!!

 

[Atreus21]

So you didn’t want an actual answer to your question then.

This thread and others point out specific actions (or inaction) that Trump has taken which made the US response to this virus worse. I don’t think any reasonably objective person would dispute that Trump’s response here has been very bad.

At a minimum your responses here insinuate that Trump’s response is no worse than Obama’s, so surely you must have some reason to believe that. What is it?

Do you think this thread would exist if Obama or Hillary were president, and their response had been substantially similar?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Do you think this thread would exist if Obama or Hillary were president, and their response had been substantially similar?

YES!! It would exist IF -- IF -- IF -- their response was similar!!

 

[fskimospy]

Do you think this thread would exist if Obama or Hillary were president, and their response had been substantially similar?

You asked a question and I am helping you get an answer to it. Don’t worry about what people here would have posted, let’s work to see if we can figure out if Obama bore a similar level of culpability for fatalities from swine flu that Trump bears here.

You appear to think they do share a similar level of guilt so let’s start there. What actions do you think Obama took that were errors of similar magnitude to what Trump has done here? Be specific.