How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

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Zorba

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This is not an accurate statement. Humans can take actions for a virus to contain or affect its spread, including actions that do not involve vaccines or closing borders.
As I said before, the flu virus' rapid mutation rate can affect its severity and human immune responses. So that the best human response is to allow those suffering from the mildest symptoms to spread that form of the virus widely through the populace, thus generating immunity, while strictly containing and isolating patients with severe symptoms in order to prevent that form of the virus from spreading.
This is established medical science, a fact, which was learned largely through the Spanish Flu pandemic (where the exact opposite of that described generally occurred, allowing the severest form to spread).
I've been wondering about this kind of approach. Do you have any links or ac term for it so I can do more research?
 

feralkid

Lifer
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pmv

Lifer
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Wow, for once I don't think Trump is entirely wrong about something. Not that I'd use the term 'false number', but the WHO does seem to be making confusing statements.

“Now, this is just my hunch,” Trump began, before continuing that “based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this, and it’s very mild – they’ll get better very rapidly, they don’t even see a doctor, they don’t even call a doctor.”


He went on: “You never hear about those people, so you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population, in terms of this corona flu, and/or virus. So you just can’t do that.”


 
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Juiblex

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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...
We weren't going to catch diseases from immigrants 2 years ago. This is a different situation. The orange monster isn't incapable of passing on information that's useful, but he's prone to counter verifiable scientific information as a way to placate his broad base of incompetents. Such is the state of our electorate, well, much of it (hopefully not too much... again).
 

Zorba

Lifer
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ya know, I don't think a gas mask is designed to prevent a virus from infecting someone. what a buffoon.

If the filters can trap VOC or ammonia gases, they'd have no problem with a significantly larger virus. There is no filter on the exhaust though, so you could potentially still spread to others.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...
Do you believe the CDC, FDA, and NIH provide a function in keeping Americans safe from novel diseases? If so, how is Trump not directly at fault for slashing their budgets and people? If not, you're a fucking idiot.
 

brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...
Lordy, incompetence in leadership is certainly the President’s responsibility and can create conditions where the virus spreads faster and more widely than it otherwise would have.

Btw president smooth brains said it was ok to go work if their symptoms were not severe. He also said a vaccine could be ready in 4 months instead of the 12 he was told it would take. He also mentioned the heat of April would kill the virus (without any evidence). Publicly asked if the flu vaccine would work as a treatment. Walked out of a news conference without clarifying who was in charge of the government’s response to the virus. Said we are ordering many elements of medical (whatever the fuck that means). Is publicly disputing information from the world health organization based on his “hunches”.

So yeah I guess /shrug we have a lying moron in charge during a potential public health emergency.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...
Who knew Muslims were carrying COVID-19? News to me.

BTW - When it comes to relevant information who are you going to believe. Trump or the head of the NIH Dr. Anthony Fauci?
 
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Amused

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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...

This story about Trump cutting funding is from Feb 2018:

CDC to cut by 80 percent efforts to prevent global disease outbreak


He may not be responsible for the illness, but he IS DIRECTLY responsible for the US's inability to contain it.

He absolutely and unequivocally destroyed any chance we could have contained this virus. Which is why we are currently hearing about the fisrt cases of community transmitted cases now. And that will continue to grow exponentially.
 

pmv

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Who knew Muslims were carrying COVID-19? News to me.

BTW - When it comes to relevant information who are you going to believe. Trump or the head of the NIH Dr. Anthony Fauci?


So far it's been more the other way round - the disease is spreading more from rich countries to poorer ones, on the whole. A load of Italians were just caught trying to evade quarantine in India.
Wow, for once I don't think Trump is entirely wrong about something. Not that I'd use the term 'false number', but the WHO does seem to be making confusing statements.






I can't tell if the 'wow' reaction is a wow at Trump not being completely wrong, or a wow at me suggesting he's not completely wrong!


I honestly don't feel the WHO is doing a great job at conveying information. I mean, you have two WHO-associated scientists publicly arguing with each other over whether the Chinese have correctly counted all the mild and asymptomatic cases. What is the layperson supposed to make of that?

Then you have them blithely implying that the West could and should lock down entire cities and regions the way China has, and speaking as if this is just a straightforward thing to do in a democracy. Then they simultaneously refuse to call it a pandemic (even whilethe German government at least has called it such) in order not to cause 'alarm', while at the same time putting out figures for lethality that appear to be just a crude division of 'deaths' over 'infections', while not discussing the point Trump, of all people, raises - that the infection numbers, the denominator of that figure, are missing a lot of cases (though it seems like Trump's administration is contributing to that, by hardly testing anyone).

Nobody in authority seems to be dealing with this situation all that well, at least not so far as conveying the facts to the public is concerned. I honestly don't think Trump is the only weak performer in this affair.

Edit - at least those authorities have finally acknowledged it's not a great time to have an England-Italy rugby match in Rome. Seems absurd that till just today they were still planning to go ahead with it. Large numbers of poeple travelling down from northern Italy and mixing with southerners plus English rugby fans in the city and in the stadium - what could possibly go wrong with that?
 
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hal2kilo

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Changed vote to 1000. I keep under estimating the absolute incompetence of this administration. Messages by the ignorant orange one only makes it worse.
 

ivwshane

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For all the Monday morning quarterbacks, what would you do differently to stop a 100-year pandemic of a virus for which carriers are asymptomatic and there is a two week incubation period?

Probably build more walls and appoint someone who already has a history of incompetence regarding handling emergency disease control. I would probably try to minimize the concern of this virus by contradicting what the experts are saying.

/eyeroll
 
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Printed Circuit Bro

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We weren't going to catch diseases from immigrants 2 years ago. This is a different situation. The orange monster isn't incapable of passing on information that's useful, but he's prone to counter verifiable scientific information as a way to placate his broad base of incompetents. Such is the state of our electorate, well, much of it (hopefully not too much... again).
Immigrants don't carry infectious diseases?

Awesome, I'll just become an immigrant any time I get sick and POOF I won't be infectious anymore.
 

HomerJS

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For all the Monday morning quarterbacks, what would you do differently to stop a 100-year pandemic of a virus for which carriers are asymptomatic and there is a two week incubation period?
Layup dude.

Stop contradicting the countries most renown expert in infectious diseases I just hired.
 
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MtnMan

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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.
He didn't invent/develop it, but his arrogance, ignorance, and indifference will cause it to spread much further than if the POTUS took it serious.
He argues with doctors, he spews false information, he states it will all be over by April, he wants to nuke hurricanes and rake the forests.

This dumb stupid arrogant egotist asswipe will indirectly cause the death of a staggering number of Americans through is ignorance, indifference and complete incompetence. The best hope is that it decimates all the trumpers at the next trump rally, got your tickets?
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Wow at the thread title and poll.

The president is not responsible at all for any illness you receive.

I also find it extremely ironic since Trump has been trying to prevent people from questionable countries to enter here. 2 years ago people called him hateful saying such a thing. 2 years later, people are blaming him for the deaths because he did let people in here from questionable countries.

/shrug...
Another good case against democracy..
 
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