How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

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Meghan54

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But Trump and Pence have the whole coronavirus problem under control and just about solved:

 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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In a lighter moment this guy used a feminine pad as a mask in Wuhan,
guess a real mask is all but impossible to come across now.
 

senseamp

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Feb 5, 2006
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I voted 10,000, but now I am thinking probably over 100,000. This thing appears to be as infectious as the flu by 10 times more deadly. I've been talking to some people from China and the kind of measures they are taking there are so draconian and Orwellian that they would never fly in America. It's basically martial law over there. Total monitoring of people's wherebouts, so that if they test positive, their steps over the previous 2 weeks can be retraced with detail and published for everyone to know. That's simply not going to fly in the US with the litigiousness and individualism of the society.
 

BonzaiDuck

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It's the same mathematics as that for radioactive decay -- exponential functions and logarithms. So senseamp probably has a "sense" of it.

I know of three people who COULD die. See post #58, "AOC has something to say . . . . "
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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I voted 10,000, but now I am thinking probably over 100,000. This thing appears to be as infectious as the flu by 10 times more deadly. I've been talking to some people from China and the kind of measures they are taking there are so draconian and Orwellian that they would never fly in America. It's basically martial law over there. Total monitoring of people's wherebouts, so that if they test positive, their steps over the previous 2 weeks can be retraced with detail and published for everyone to know. That's simply not going to fly in the US with the litigiousness and individualism of the society.
I'm alarmed, TBH. I can't see why the Chinese would go to all the trouble if the crisis didn't warrant draconian measures. If we're casual in our response (Trump is going to be as casual as he can manage it) we are evidently in for whatever the Chinese most fear. This could get hell of ugly and insane.
 

Starbuck1975

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Jan 6, 2005
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I’m more frustrated with the people selfishly breaking quarantine, and others still who are out spreading the virus because they have mild symptoms.
 

alien42

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I’m more frustrated with the people selfishly breaking quarantine, and others still who are out spreading the virus because they have mild symptoms.

Most of the people out spreading the virus are completely oblivious to that fact and they still have no easy access to testing. The Trump admin is 100% responsible for the lack of testing capacity that South Korea and Italy had weeks ago. The US infection rate is about to skyrocket once mass testing is finally online. The death toll is also higher than known at this point, the first death took about a week to ID.
 
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Starbuck1975

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Most of the people out spreading the virus are completely oblivious to that fact and they still have no easy access to testing. The Trump admin is 100% responsible for the lack of testing capacity that South Korea and Italy had weeks ago. The US infection rate is about to skyrocket once mass testing is finally online. The death toll is also higher than known at this point, the first death took about a week to ID.
Is Trump also responsible for the inadequate testing across Asia, Europe and pretty much the entire world at this point, and the international travel that’s continued unobstructed over the last few weeks? Please. The global response has been inadequate, because testing assumes that people with mild symptoms will make the effort to get tested.
 

sandorski

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Is Trump also responsible for the inadequate testing across Asia, Europe and pretty much the entire world at this point, and the international travel that’s continued unobstructed over the last few weeks? Please. The global response has been inadequate, because testing assumes that people with mild symptoms will make the effort to get tested.

South Korea tests 10,000/Day. The US has tested just over 3000/Total.
 
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senseamp

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Pence was bragging that some hundreds of thousands or millions of cases went out or will go out next week. Expect confirmed cases to rise significantly if true.
 

Starbuck1975

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Jan 6, 2005
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South Korea tests 10,000/Day. The US has tested just over 3000/Total.
And people are still getting on trains and planes and attending conferences and traveling internationally.

Testing is important. At this point, its probably too late for testing to help follow the chain because its out loose in communities at this point.
 

Muse

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Jul 11, 2001
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South Korea tests 10,000/Day. The US has tested just over 3000/Total.
On network news tonight, said US has tested less than 1900 people to this point. US has totally dropped the ball on being ready for the coming viral avalanche.

Trump dismantled US readiness for an epidemic, and everything else that Obama put in place that he could find. Just wipe the board of pieces and appoint lackies, that's his M.O. If they are uppity, fire and hire someone else, or as we've seen, leave hundreds of positions unfilled or with temporary titular figures. He's a one man super warning against the dangers inherent in having power. I've never seen anything like it. Nor have I ever seen a burgeoning epidemic that begins to rival this in terms of potential global disruption. The combination of the two here in the USA is a bad mixture. We may be in for a horrible spring, summer and fall. I want one thing for Xmas: a new president. That at least would be something of a silver lining.
 
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pmv

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Is Trump also responsible for the inadequate testing across Asia, Europe and pretty much the entire world at this point, and the international travel that’s continued unobstructed over the last few weeks? Please. The global response has been inadequate, because testing assumes that people with mild symptoms will make the effort to get tested.

Other countries have done far better at testing than the US has.


Quote from article (though the precise numbers are now out-of-date of course)

In South Korea, more than 66,650 people were tested within a week of its first case of community transmission, and it quickly became able to test 10,000 people a day. The United Kingdom, which has only 115 positive cases, has so far tested 18,083 people for the virus.

The Atlantic could only verify that 1,895 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, about 10 percent of whom have tested positive. And while the American capacity to test for the coronavirus has ramped up significantly over the past few days, local officials can still test only several thousand people a day, not the tens or hundreds of thousands indicated by the White House’s promises.

I kind of agree about the complacency regarding international travel. It's a pet-peeve of mine that people fly around the world for trivial reasons far too much anyway. It does environmental and social damage and now this. (Not to mention all those insufferable show-offs posting photos of their exotic holidays on social-media!)

I notice Israel has introduced complete embargoes on travellers from several European countries, even quarantining their own citizens who have been to them - I guess those guys never mess around about anything when it comes to 'national security'.
 

Starbuck1975

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Other countries have done far better at testing than the US has.


Quote from article (though the precise numbers are now out-of-date of course)



I kind of agree about the complacency regarding international travel. It's a pet-peeve of mine that people fly around the world for trivial reasons far too much anyway. It does environmental and social damage and now this. (Not to mention all those insufferable show-offs posting photos of their exotic holidays on social-media!)

I notice Israel has introduced complete embargoes on travellers from several European countries, even quarantining their own citizens who have been to them - I guess those guys never mess around about anything when it comes to 'national security'.
Agreed others may be better at testing, but assertive testing has done little for containment. Depending on how bad this gets, its going to test the notion of open borders.
 

Juiblex

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best hope is that it decimates all the trumpers at the next trump rally, got your tickets?

And Trump is the hateful one. Yup.

And no.... I have no intention to visit a trump rally. Or to vote for him. But I'm even less inclined to side with a hateful fellow such as yourself.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Other countries have done far better at testing than the US has.


Quote from article (though the precise numbers are now out-of-date of course)



I kind of agree about the complacency regarding international travel. It's a pet-peeve of mine that people fly around the world for trivial reasons far too much anyway. It does environmental and social damage and now this. (Not to mention all those insufferable show-offs posting photos of their exotic holidays on social-media!)

I notice Israel has introduced complete embargoes on travellers from several European countries, even quarantining their own citizens who have been to them - I guess those guys never mess around about anything when it comes to 'national security'.


Trump is trying

I would like to keep everyone on the ship.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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And Trump is the hateful one. Yup.

And no.... I have no intention to visit a trump rally. Or to vote for him. But I'm even less inclined to side with a hateful fellow such as yourself.

Trump isn't exactly hateful in a conventional sense. He'll destroy people as part of his nature. He would not think of himself as hateful any more than a F5 tornado would.
 

cytg111

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Mar 17, 2008
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Is Trump also responsible for the inadequate testing across Asia, Europe and pretty much the entire world at this point, and the international travel that’s continued unobstructed over the last few weeks? Please. The global response has been inadequate, because testing assumes that people with mild symptoms will make the effort to get tested.
????????????????????? I am thinking no? Did you have a point ??????????
 

MtnMan

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Now this dumb MF'er is saying that he has a "natural ability" and "I really like this stuff, I really get it" as he second guesses medical professionals. Says he has a "super genius uncle" that taught at MIT, so it's in his gene's. Of course I am stunned that he actually knows of genes. I bet Pence doesn't, who is a subscriber to intelligence design brand of stupidity.
 
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