How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

[CaptainGoodnight]

Here is some stuff that didn't age well:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234648718714036229

Now he's all "I got no PPE! I got no ventilators! Wahh"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226508570646269954

 

[zinfamous]

....

 

[pcgeek11]

So yes or no.

The best you could possibly get is a Maybe. Reason being that these drugs have been mentioned by many more people than Trump.

There are I think 69 drugs that are being evaluated presently.

Should we also blame the doctors in France, South Korea and the US. I think they were talking about it's possible value as a treatment before Trump.

Opinion | These Drugs Are Helping Our Coronavirus Patients

The evidence is preliminary on repurposing two treatments. But we don’t have the luxury of time.

www.wsj.com

"Doctors in France, South Korea and the U.S. are using an antimalarial drug known as hydroxychloroquine with success. "

 

[pcgeek11]

If people want to stampede and trample each other to death running for the exits of a movie theater is their own damn fault, the guy yelling "FIRE!" bears no responsibility.

Another BS comment that has nothing to do with the subject.

 

[pcgeek11]

you are epicly fucking stupid, you know that, right?

they ingested a teaspoon of the exact same chemical. lol "to clean aquariums" the only difference, you fucking moron, is that it was dosed in a concentration meant for cleaning aquariums, or coy ponds, or what the fuck ever. These dumb shits, only slightly dumber than you have proved to be over whatever 20 years of dumbshittery that you have displayed here, ingested a 10x, 20x, 100x dose of the exact same fucking chemical that dumbfuck orange shitstain McGee told them to inhale. He told them it would cure them.

you defend him. You defend this fucking Nero as he tells humans to poison themselves. You fucking defend him, you fuckstick. Why do you do this? You're dumb enough to argue that "it isn't the same thing because it is meant for aquariums!"

It is the exact same fucking thing, you fucking ignorant asshole fuck. it is the exact same poison, at a higher dose, where a teaspoon is meant for a giant Coy pond, not a fucking human body. But the Dumbfuck Orange shitforbrains commanded them to swallow it, because they trust him. They fucking trust him. Do you trust him?

Do you, asshole? Do you trust exactly what he said? You're old as fuck and a target group of some 15-60% mortality rate for this virus. You are defending his recommendation right now. So, why don't you do exactly what they did and swallow the teaspoon of poison that he commanded you to swallow? Why don't you do it? Why not?

IT IS THE SAME THING IF IT IS THE SAME ACTIVE INGREDIENT YOU DUMB FUCKING WORTHLESS MOLECULE OF IGNORANT CARBON.

Why are you making such declarative statements about things you know absolute dick about? what the everloving fuck is wrong with you? seriously: answer for yourself.

I can't I just..can't...how the everloving fuck are you so ignorant to argue that it isn't the same poison that he ordered them to swallow? You are defending him and calling them stupid at the same time, as if you and they know any different, just as you display in exactly 5 words that you don't fucking know what you are talking about.

It is the exact same drug you fucking pusshead. The exact same chemical, at a vastly different concentration, that they killed themselves with, because Donald Fucking Trump has not god damn fucking business talking to the public about anything health related. ever.

why the fuck are you trying to defend the most obvious case of wanton, public manslaughter that we have ever seen? what the fuck is wrong with you?

why don't you go swallow a teaspoon of this shit, since it's the exact same chemical that donald told them to swallow. It is. No fucking way that it isn't. Do you simply not care how pathetically wrong you are? Are you also poisoning your family because Donald told you to? is that what you're doing? what the fuck.


asshole...made me waste a post over your fucking dumbshit. fucking...what the hell. The only purpose I see for Donald right now, and I don't like any of it, is that he is assisting a lot of dumbfucks in murdering themselves, and they are doing it blissfully. You're one of them. Fucking aiding in their murder. I wonder how this makes you feel, being so fucking stupid and endorsing all of this murder.

Stop making me waste posts, you ignorant, murdering, asshole.

anyone, anyone, ANYONE that thinks ZERO deaths can only ever be attributed to Trump because of his handling of this crisis, only ever has to look at this case right here. This is science. This is fact. This is reality. This is indefensible.
And that's just one case, obviously. Dude has literally thousands of deaths on his plate, now and waiting for him, because he lagged the response by 2 months, at least. You fucking know it, too, and don't even play that shit. I'm tired of goddamn fucking idiots that don't know shit about this coming to defend this fucking asshole that is only ever out to protect is fucking tiny dick ego. fuck any of you that are ever going to try to defend Trump here. Fucking fuck you to hell. Seriously.

The only thing you do in attempting to defend this shit, right here, is prove how fucking stupid you are. Back the fuck off and move on. You're too fucking stupid to deal with this situation. Full stop. Don't fucking bother.

Dude your the one losing it. You could use some time off. Seriously.

I suppose in your head Trump is responsible for the deaths of everybody in all of the countries that have the virus outbreak...

 

[fskimospy]

Dude your the one losing it. You could use some time off. Seriously.

I suppose in your head Trump is responsible for the deaths of everybody in all of the countries that have the virus outbreak...

You said he’s responsible for no deaths. What is wrong with you.

 

[sportage]

Trump acts like ours is the only country suffering financially. As if we fix America then everything else will fix itself. Trump is obviously an idiot when it comes to finance. Makes me wonder how he really got his wealth and who he screwed and cheated to get it.

Maybe this pandemic is god’s way of telling us we really screwed up. Maybe if everything comes crashing down and America becomes dirt poor then there will no longer be anything in it for Donald Trump and Trump will simply walk away. Then we can get someone with a brain in there and finally overcome this nightmare. Oh, and overcome the nightmare of the virus too. Haha

 

[ivwshane]

Dude your the one losing it. You could use some time off. Seriously.

I suppose in your head Trump is responsible for the deaths of everybody in all of the countries that have the virus outbreak...

I can’t fully read the opinion piece you linked to so maybe you can answer some questions about it:

Does the opinion piece have links to the “doctors are saying in...” to back up the claim? Can you provide those links please?

Is it your opinion that the people who died taking these drugs probably got the idea from doctors in these other countries?

If the opinion piece doesn’t provide any links, do you think they should be held responsible for making such claims?

 

[pcgeek11]

You said he’s responsible for no deaths. What is wrong with you.

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

 

[pcgeek11]

I can’t fully read the opinion piece you linked to so maybe you can answer some questions about it:

Does the opinion piece have links to the “doctors are saying in...” to back up the claim? Can you provide those links please?

Is it your opinion that the people who died taking these drugs probably got the idea from doctors in these other countries?

If the opinion piece doesn’t provide any links, do you think they should be held responsible for making such claims?

Do you have an internet connection?
I suggest you use it.

This news is all over the internet about the various drugs they think will or may help in treating the virus. How anyone can make a leap between a chemical used to clean and treat a fish aquarium to a pharmacy drug administered and prescribed by a doctor in a measured dose is beyond me.

I do however hope that Zinfamous recovers from his mental meltdown.

 

[cytg111]

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

Im sorry you dont get math, but you surely must understand its not in your interest to contradict those who do?

 

[ch33zw1z]

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

*buzz* wrong. SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is number 2. SARS-CoV-1 was very similar and seen 15 years ago. There was also MERS in between now and then. We've seen coronavirus before, and it sucked hard. What does seem to be the difference is SARS-CoV-2 appears to be far more contagious, but just as deadly as the previous 2. It's like the first two were the primer, and we all just pretended like it couldn't get any worse. A lackadaisical approach by our country's leaders, with a hefty side order of lies, misinformation, small gubbermint gutting of agencies...and it's every state for themselves while the fully corrupt grifter-in-chief talks in circles about how great he is.

SARS | Basics Factsheet | CDC

Fact sheet covering basic information on SARS, CDC Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome information

www.cdc.gov

Weren't you just telling someone else to use the internet? lol...

SARS-CoV-1 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

SARS-CoV-2 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

MERS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Atari2600]

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

Completely incorrect.

None of them can declare emergencies - unlike the presidential branch.

I know that and I'm not even from the States.

But sure, as I said earlier, your big red ret***ed MAGA cap will keep you safe.

 

[dawp]

Trump acts like ours is the only country suffering financially. As if we fix America then everything else will fix itself. Trump is obviously an idiot when it comes to finance. Makes me wonder how he really got his wealth and who he screwed and cheated to get it.

Maybe this pandemic is god’s way of telling us we really screwed up. Maybe if everything comes crashing down and America becomes dirt poor then there will no longer be anything in it for Donald Trump and Trump will simply walk away. Then we can get someone with a brain in there and finally overcome this nightmare. Oh, and overcome the nightmare of the virus too. Haha

trump didn't earn anything, he inherited, and thought he was just as smart as dear old dad, he wasn't and had to be bailed out after losing most of it in real estate then conning many to support him. only good ol' donnie could lose a fortune with a casino repeatedly.

his biggest con was that he was a success businessman.

 

[TheVrolok]

Where's Starbuck? I think he's got some buckets for pcgeek.

The level of absolution for dangerous behavior from our supposed leader is (well, should be) astounding.

 

[nickqt]

He is no more responsible than Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Mitch, Graham ....... or anyone else in the US Government.

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

So, you're ignorant about the Executive Branch functioning vs. Legislative Branch...or you're a liar trying to BothSidesDoIt™.

Pandemic Response Official "leaves", not replaced(5.10.2018):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Ya boi saying he was OK cutting CDC budget(Feb. 2020):

Here's Video Of Trump Trying To Explain Why He Cut The Pandemic Response Team

Trump cut the National Security Council team in 2018, and now says "I didn't do it."

www.huffpost.com

White House still wants to cut CDC funding (MARCH 2020):

Trump budget chief holds firm on CDC cuts amid virus outbreak

Russ Vought, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, on Tuesday doubled down on proposed cuts to health services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (…

thehill.com

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

 

[dawp]

So, you're ignorant about the Executive Branch functioning vs. Legislative Branch...or you're a liar trying to BothSidesDoIt™.

Pandemic Response Official "leaves", not replaced(5.10.2018):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Ya boi saying he was OK cutting CDC budget(Feb. 2020):

Here's Video Of Trump Trying To Explain Why He Cut The Pandemic Response Team

Trump cut the National Security Council team in 2018, and now says "I didn't do it."

www.huffpost.com

White House still wants to cut CDC funding (MARCH 2020):

Trump budget chief holds firm on CDC cuts amid virus outbreak

Russ Vought, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, on Tuesday doubled down on proposed cuts to health services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (…

thehill.com

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

too bad they can't single out trump for a billion dollar tax hike after he leave office.

 

[VRAMdemon]

You guys are wasting your time. He tried to lure me onto his hill of intellectual dishonesty up thread. I knew it was leading to an act of pestilence, to which is where he was going with it, so I just stopped responding. He has chosen this hill to die on. Someone posted the interview of the woman who literally said they got the idea from the mouth of Trump himself, and here he is - charging up that hill.

Trump is still hitting hard on the anti-malarial drug combined with Z-mycin will cure everybody schtick..well, because he's a liar and a con man. Con men will say whatever it takes to lure you into their confidence; they will work anything into their platter except an admission of being wrong. It's like if he was trying to sell you a real estate deal and you said the construction timeline just wasn't possible; he wouldn't negotiate with that, he'd just lie, and say he knew a guy or a company or a technology that could make it possible.

From the Art of the Deal:

"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion."

“A little hyperbole never hurts” - "An innocent form of exaggeration" may be mostly true when you are hawking internet steaks or running an oceanfront casino into bankruptcy, but when you are responsible for the health and welfare of the nation...well, as we’ve already seen "Trump takes no responsibility at all"

There is a BIG difference between someone like Gov Cuomo who is trying to use this combination as a possible solution to solving some of his problems, and a con-man like Trump foolishly telling everyone "We've got a cure!."

It may not be completely reasonable to pin this particular incident on "solely" Trump and not the idiot believing a career con man, but as candidate and then President he’s spent four years promoting mistrust in government, promulgating “deep state” conspiracies where none exist, belittling experts like Dr. Fauci, attempting to dismantle medical services, public health, and social welfare programs of all kinds, and generally acting like the Fox News addict that he is except with millions of Twitter followers clueless enough to believe every word “seriously if not literally”. Trump is responsible for creating a situation in which many people feel they have to fend for themselves because that is exactly what he has set out to do.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I can’t fully read the opinion piece you linked to so maybe you can answer some questions about it:

Does the opinion piece have links to the “doctors are saying in...” to back up the claim? Can you provide those links please?

Is it your opinion that the people who died taking these drugs probably got the idea from doctors in these other countries?

If the opinion piece doesn’t provide any links, do you think they should be held responsible for making such claims?

"And if I say I wanna set you free
Don't you know you'll be in misery
They call me... (Dr. Trump)
They call me Dr. Trump... (calling Dr. Trump)
I've got the cure you're thinkin' of...(calling Dr. Trump)
And even though I'm full of sin...
In the end you'll let me in...
You'll let me through, there's nothin' you can do…"

 

[ivwshane]

Do you have an internet connection?
I suggest you use it.

This news is all over the internet about the various drugs they think will or may help in treating the virus. How anyone can make a leap between a chemical used to clean and treat a fish aquarium to a pharmacy drug administered and prescribed by a doctor in a measured dose is beyond me.

I do however hope that Zinfamous recovers from his mental meltdown.

Thanks for bitching out. It was entirely predictable.

 

[HomerJS]

I didn't see where he encouraged anyone to self medicate with aquarium cleaner.

If people want to crowd into a church on Easter Sunday and get infected, then they are stupid. It has nothing to do with Trump.

They have to get advice from somewhere. What's wrong with getting it from Trump?

I already posted a thread Republicans are taking their queues from Trump. Despite that you are completely absolving Trump when anyone takes action based on his statements. Same question what's wrong with using Trump as a source of advice?

Why Fox News, other right wing media and Trump are a danger to this country

These are the purveyors of the so called "fake News". I hate to use that term because of its affiliation but it's the best descriptor. This survey falls in line with others that show taking COVID-19 seriously depends on political affiliation. Almost 70% of Democrats take this pandemic...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

They have to get advice from somewhere. What's wrong with getting it from Trump?

I already posted a thread Republicans are taking their queues from Trump. Despite that you are completely absolving Trump when anyone takes action based on his statements. Same question what's wrong with using Trump as a source of advice?

Why Fox News, other right wing media and Trump are a danger to this country

These are the purveyors of the so called "fake News". I hate to use that term because of its affiliation but it's the best descriptor. This survey falls in line with others that show taking COVID-19 seriously depends on political affiliation. Almost 70% of Democrats take this pandemic...

forums.anandtech.com

Cut your bullshit

Here is some stuff that didn't age well:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234648718714036229

Now he's all "I got no PPE! I got no ventilators! Wahh"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226508570646269954

 

[pmv]

You can always claim that any one single case, like the aquarium cleaner eater, is just down to individual responsibility and one person's foolishness, but the President is an extremely influential job and there is no way that a steady diet of nonsense and misinformation in a time of crisis is going to do anything but harm.

If Obama had urged black youths to 'forcefully stand up to' racist cops, say, and something bad happened to a cop at the hands of such a youth, would the Trump defenders here be pushing this 'individual responsibility' line?

 

[pmv]

This article is spot-on, in my opinion. Says much of what I've been thinking about our government's response. Interesting that it's that Taleb 'Black Swan' guy again. I note some seem to treat him as some sort of guru, while I reserve judgement myself, I agree with what he says here entirely. It highlights the fact that the UK government's mistakes are different from those of the Trump administration.

It's the difference between being moderately clever but thinking you are a genius, and being a dolt but thinking you are genius. The moderately-clever can sometimes screw-up every bit as badly as the full-on clueless. Too many clever people are in love with cleverness (and the counter-intuitive) for its own sake. And again, I think the discipline of psychology suffers from that particularly strongly.

The UK's coronavirus policy may sound scientific. It isn't | Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam

Dominic Cummings loves to theorise about complexity, but he’s getting it all wrong, say academics Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam

www.theguardian.com

 

[Indus]

It is a virus like we haven't seen before. There are many unknowns.

What is wrong with you?

HAHAHAHAHAHA What an insane display of sheer idiocy and partisanship.

Was that your same argument when people found out Bush was barbecuing in texas rather than reading a report on his desk titled:

Bin Laden determined to strike in United States