How many case fans should be necessary

NewCompGeek

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i dont know what case i have but im wondering how many and what size case fans should someone have to have good cooling. and im not talking about drilling holes or going extreme

of course theres the excaust fan at the rear and on if the front bottem

what cfm should the be?
 

SWScorch

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yes, you should have at least one intake fan at the lower front and one exhaust fan at the upper rear of the case. They should be rated at a cfm sufficient to keep air moving. Probably anything over 20 is good enough, and of course more is always better. Try to keep cfm ratings around the same, but they dont have to be equal. The power supply exhaust a very tiny amount of air, so it really doesnt make sense to include it in your calculations.

I personally have a 69cfm 120mm fan as an intake in the lower front, then a 50cfm 92mm fan as an exhaust in the upper rear, and a 25cfm 92mm fan as an intake on the side. The power supply has two fans and thus exhausts a fair amount of air, but still not much. If you can get an intake and an exhast both at 40cfm, that would probably be sufficient for an average, non-overclocked computer.
 

NewCompGeek

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damn 120 mm in the front? i think mine only holds 80mm so im guessing that you had to modify that?

what a good 80mm fan that has a high cfm rating but a low dba


and a list of companies would be nice
 

SWScorch

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my case has a spot for a 120mm in the front: Fong Kai FK-320. No modifications necessary

Good case fans include Panaflo, Sunon, or YS Tech. Antec has some very nice fans as well, and Adda is a good choice if you want low noise. (I prefer Panaflos myself though) I use Panaflo when I'm concerned about noise and Sunon when I care about airflow.
 

NewCompGeek

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ok thanks ill consider getting one of those

do you know of a site that has case fans for cheap or only on their homepage?
 

SuperPickle

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<< what a good 80mm fan that has a high cfm rating but a low dba >>



Panflow gives you the quietest fans as a rule (M1A is my weapon of choice). Sunon also makes good fans that move a bunch of air without being extremely loud. Stay away from Delta if noise is a concern. I disagree with the statement that you don't need to count you PSU fan in your overall airflow in/out. While they don't move a whole lot of air, if you put matching in-out case fans in your machine, you will end up with negative pressure meaning that outside air will get in anyway it can. This, of course, means air will enter through drives and that only means more dust inside of them. Put a little bigger fan in the front (maybe 10cfm more that the exhaust to compensate for the PSU fan), route your cables well, and everything will be fine.

Note: dust filters will cut down on flow so plan accordingly if you are going to use them
 

krakken

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I have three. ONe in and two out, but I'd say it depens on WHERE you have the case and if it really needs the cooling, also if you can stand the noise.
 

jmorrell

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Just ordered some fans tonight from nexfan.com. They have sales on most all their fans - $8 fans for $2.65, $7 fans for $1.99! I ordered two long life, high quality 80mm ball bearing fans, a fan grille, and a package of fan screws for $7.55 plus $7.20 shipping for a grand total of $14.75, which is the price for just one ball bearing fan at most other sites.
 

DJBOB

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I would say to 80mm giving you any cfm from 40-50 would be the best way to cool your system. Just make sure you have more intake then exit otherwise you'll get a negative vacume in your case.

DJBOB
 

Danella

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I Have a question about some of the case fan practices I see people using....

I hear a lot of people putting in one fan blowing in, and another blowing out. OK, If you buy two case fans, each of 32CFM, (for example), mount one blowing in, and the other blowing out, you have an air exchange in your case of 32 CFM, same as if you mounted one fan. My hard drive is not suscepible to that much air drawing in around it, since the case itself is well vented, the air will choose the path of least resistance, therefore, there should be no significant pressure drop on the inside of the case. On the other hand, if you mount 2 X 32 CFM fans, both exhausting the air, the result should be an air exchange inside your case of 64 CFM, in otherwords, refreshing the trapped case air about 100 time per minute.

On my computer, I use one 32 CFM Thermaltake in the front bottom mount, and in the back at the top, (heat rises), I have an enermax thermal Controlled fan, which can expell up to 54 CFM. My Video card had a tendency to run hotter than I wanted, (GPU at about 50C), so I removed one PCI plate immediately under the AGP card, and you can feel the air flowing in, and right across the Graphic card.

Results of this are, internal case temps fluxuate between absolute room temp, and about 2 degrees above. I have a volcano 7 CPU cooler, and I have never been able to get it to peak over 40 C, and sine the addition of the second fan, and removal of the PCI plate, my GPU has never climbed over 41C, (Yet).

It would only seem logical to me, that if cases were built with the intention of having to supply an inward force air as well as exhaust, then they wouldn't put all these ventilation slots in the sides, but I could be wrong. Just seems like the effeciency of my cooling system seems better by allowing the cooler air to flow in through the upper and lower ventilation slots, and utilizing the power of two fans to work together with the same goal in mind, to remove the hot air from inside the case.

Just a thought, with questions in mind.
 

PCHPlayer

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I tend to agree with Danella on this one. The air will get into the case if all the fans are blowing out. The advantage of using an intake fan is dust control (As basilisk420 pointed out). You can reduce the dust build-up by putting a filter over the fan intake. The closer the in/out balance the less air that will be sucked into the case from "random" openings.
 

Danella

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Yeah, the dust issue is an issue but....

Look who we are talking about here. Most of us guys have the case off our computer at least once a week, to see what it looks like, if not to try a new piece of hardware. The insides probably pick up more dust than the desk it sits on does. Everyone who tinkers with a computer should have a can of compressed air, if not and air compressor. I thought most of us guys have an aircompressor out in the garage, with 75 foot of 3/8" hose draped across the wifey's washer and dryer, through the kitchen, down the hall, and into our den, with an assorment of quick attach nozzles inside our Computer Tool case!!!

For those that don't tinker on a weekly basis, about once every 3 months with a can of compressed air will clean it right up, get the dust out of those hard to reach places, and make everything OK again. Even with dust filters, this should still be done once in a while, as no matter how hard you try not to let it, dust will enter, it will hinder the effeciency of that $119 ZEN Miniature Airconditioner CPU cooler, (can you believe that? I saw those for the first time last week on the internet, and actual miniature Air Conditioning unit stuck to a heat sink) and, if you DO use filters for those fans, then you have another issue. Those little filters, (if they are working correctly), will fill up with dust faster than it will build up inside your computer. Those have to be taken off and cleaned out well, or else you might as well remove the fans and get better circulation. I think it is easier to blow-out the inside of the case & components, than to remove those little filters to clean them, then have to blow out the computer as well anyway. Heck, right now I'm running my new computer with both sides off. Well, that's another story, had a faulty PSU, so I have to return it. Don't have any spare 300W PSU's sitting around, so I'm using a 230W PSU to power the MotherBoard and the power hungry AMD CPU only, then I have another 150W PSU outside the case to powre up all the harddrives, fans, & all the other lights & buzzers. Hey, I wasn't sure if it would work, I've heard of people needing a 400W power supply to keep a T-Bird stable, but mine is on a Soltek Mobo, and 230W is fine, as long as I don't push too hard, (I've already tried that, and it gets tired real fast.

But Hey, that's my two cents worth, I guess each has their own preferences. I've never had a hard drive go out on me, and we have 5 computers at home, one for each kid, one for me and one for my wife, (yes, our 4 year old has his own computer). The oldest computer is about 7 years old now, and still has all the original equipment except for the CDROM. We even have a very old Pentium 90 system, (picked up at a yard sale for parts) that still has it's original harddrive, and it still works. Just keep the stuff clean with a once in a while routine maintainance of blowing it out, and you shouldn't have to worry about the dust.

Now, that takes us back to air circulation.............

Now don't anyone get offended, I just love to talk shop..... I was really curious as to why I've read about so many people doing this, ubt now I understand. yes, I do understand that point of view, I guess I just more focused on the air circulation, and not so much on the dust issue. Thank you PCHPlayer for the response......

 

Danella

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How about this?

Two case fans, both blowing in, both with air filters? Clean air through the fans, the only way air gets into the case is through the filtered fans, and all the exhaust air can exit through the ventilation slots?

I don't know why, but I have a feeling that this would somehow not be right. Some designer at Enermax, FongKai, or some other case builder is probably crying right now reading all this, because they designed a case to do something we don't want it to do??? The never ending paradox..........
 

HurtMe

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learned a lot from this thread..thanks guys. This is exactly what I was hoping to find in this specific forum.
 

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