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Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Like 5... I only really use 1 and occasionally use the other.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,999
1,396
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United is the "Cheapest" as far as using flyer miles is concerned. You can get a round trip ticket to europe for 60,000 flyer miles. That's basically $600 worth of reward points. Most tickets to Europe are around $1000, so it's definitely better to use a miles card then to get a cash back card and buy it yourself.
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I hate to bring the bad news to you but the new requirement is coming. United will require about 50% more miles to redeem tickets from what I read.

For example: a coach round trip ticket from US to Asia was about 65K miles, now it will be about 90K miles or so.

Read this and weep = http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...eded-for-many-frequent-flier-tickets/3344437/

I think there's a $600 balance on it right now. (I'd previously run the balance up to $17K, but paid it off specifically to avoid paying interest over the next 10 months or so.)


Well done. Now cut that down to zero and from now on, just pay off the whole balance in full before due date = golden.
 
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dbk

Lifer
Apr 23, 2004
17,694
10
81
NFCU Cash Reward
AMEX Costco
Chase Slate (strictly for balance transfer - cut it up afterwards). I was paying like $100 on interest per month so I'm saving myself roughly $1500. The introductory 0% APR runs for 15 months.
 
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Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
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How do you get "free money" from 0% APR balance transfers?

When I did it, interest rates were much higher than now. US Treasuries were north of 6% then. $50,000 @ 6% = $3,000 per year. That's how (then).

Look up "AOR" (App-O-Rama) at FatWallet Finance (other places) for details how it worked. I was never brave enough to go big but there were those that did and pulled in $30,000 per year in interest alone on credit card money borrowed @ 0% (and no fees).
 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
11,288
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I hate to bring the bad news to you but the new requirement is coming. United will require about 50% more miles to redeem tickets from what I read.

For example: a coach round trip ticket from US to Asia was about 65K miles, now it will be about 90K miles or so.

Read this and weep = http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...eded-for-many-frequent-flier-tickets/3344437/

http://milecards.com/7599/a-comparison-of-uniteds-new-and-old-award-charts/

According to that a Saver ticket was 60,000, and will still be 60,000 to Europe. Hopefully that site is accurate. It doesn't look too bad for most saver awards.
 
Dec 10, 2005
24,448
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3 -

Amex Blue card
Citibank ThankYou Preferred MC (oldest account; originally started as the Dividend card when they used to give 5% back at gas/groceries/drug stores)
Amazon Visa

The first and the last are my primary cards - the Amex for free purchase protection and warranty extension (the former has paid off with my Nexus 4 - a crack formed on the back, partly going over the lens and they just refunded me the cost, allowing me to keep the otherwise working phone), and the Amazon card because it builds up gift cards...
 

NutBucket

Lifer
Aug 30, 2000
27,036
548
126
Probably too many

Amex Blue Rewards
Amex Blue Cash Rewards
Citibank something or other
Chase Visa
REI Visa (US Bank)
Macy's Amex

I mainly use the Amex cash and REI cards. Others are just around because I've had them a while. I think the Chase Visa started as a Providian Visa many years ago.
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
20,431
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United is the "Cheapest" as far as using flyer miles is concerned. You can get a round trip ticket to europe for 60,000 flyer miles. That's basically $600 worth of reward points. Most tickets to Europe are around $1000, so it's definitely better to use a miles card then to get a cash back card and buy it yourself.

In the last 5 years I've redeemed two round trip tickets to Italy, two round trip tickets to Hawaii, 2 round trip tickets to california, and I have enough points now for two round trip tickets to Europe again.

Chase United Explorer has (or used to have) a sign up bonus of 45,000 miles, which means you only need another 15,000 for a ticket to Europe.

My wife and I usually spend around 30-40K/year on our credit card, which gives us 40,000 miles + I think they give you another 10,000 if you spend over $20K in a year.

I usually rack up another 30-40K miles/year from work travel.

That depends on where and when you want to go. Its hard to beat some of Southwest's domestic redemptions especially if you can snag them during a sale. We've done 13,000 RT PP to from DTW to LAX, something that United would charge 20,000 for

Internationally AA has generous 'off peak' times where its 40,000 RT to Europe and their Explorer Awards can be insanely generous

I hate to bring the bad news to you but the new requirement is coming. United will require about 50% more miles to redeem tickets from what I read.

For example: a coach round trip ticket from US to Asia was about 65K miles, now it will be about 90K miles or so.

Read this and weep = http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...eded-for-many-frequent-flier-tickets/3344437/

Thats only really true for Star Alliance redemptions. And I don't know where the your 90k came from. RT coach to Asia 75, 80 and 85k
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/news/United_Award_Chart_2012-03-03.pdf
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/news/United-Award-Chart-02-01-14.pdf

If you can stay on United and not fly partners your increases will be around 5-10%. If you go through partners though it can be as high as 80%
 

lord_emperor

Golden Member
Nov 4, 2009
1,380
1
0
I'm up to 3 now. Keep getting roped in by the promotions they offer but I'd be stupid not to get 10% off and interest-free financing on something expensive I planned to buy anyway.

I always imagine there's someone at the credit card company being personally disappointed they earn $0 from my account. There probably isn't though.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
42,816
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I'm up to 3 now. Keep getting roped in by the promotions they offer but I'd be stupid not to get 10% off and interest-free financing on something expensive I planned to buy anyway.

I always imagine there's someone at the credit card company being personally disappointed they earn $0 from my account. There probably isn't though.

they still get to sell all your account information to third parties, though, so there's some profit.
 

corwin

Diamond Member
Jan 13, 2006
8,644
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they still get to sell all your account information to third parties, though, so there's some profit.
This...and for everyone who does that properly there are dozens who don't pay it off in time or miss a payment and end up paying through the nose
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Thats only really true for Star Alliance redemptions. And I don't know where the your 90k came from. RT coach to Asia 75, 80 and 85k
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/news/United_Award_Chart_2012-03-03.pdf
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/news/United-Award-Chart-02-01-14.pdf

If you can stay on United and not fly partners your increases will be around 5-10%. If you go through partners though it can be as high as 80%

From your link (2nd one), 40K per leg from US to South Asia or 80K round trip for coach seat.

The new number came directly from UA website. I checked for 1 round trip from US to a medium size airport in Asia and it was 90K miles (30K from US to that market and 60K to fly back to US). The same ticket would be 60K to 65K or so last year.

The new higher mile requirements are not fully being implement in all markets yet. I can't just fly UA only from US to Asia. I will have to switch to either Japan Air, Nippon, Eva, etc. when I am out of the US and into smaller markets/airports in Asia.

I'm up to 3 now. Keep getting roped in by the promotions they offer but I'd be stupid not to get 10% off and interest-free financing on something expensive I planned to buy anyway.

I always imagine there's someone at the credit card company being personally disappointed they earn $0 from my account. There probably isn't though.

They may not get you at interest and fees but they get pay from merchants fees whenever you used your CC to purchase goods.

http://milecards.com/7599/a-comparison-of-uniteds-new-and-old-award-charts/

According to that a Saver ticket was 60,000, and will still be 60,000 to Europe. Hopefully that site is accurate. It doesn't look too bad for most saver awards.

I haven't been to Europe so I can't comment but I travel for business to Asia/Australia/Oceania/surrounding area at least once or twice for business per year and the new higher mile requirements are burning my miles fast. <sad panda>
 
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silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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United is the "Cheapest" as far as using flyer miles is concerned. You can get a round trip ticket to europe for 60,000 flyer miles. That's basically $600 worth of reward points. Most tickets to Europe are around $1000, so it's definitely better to use a miles card then to get a cash back card and buy it yourself.

In the last 5 years I've redeemed two round trip tickets to Italy, two round trip tickets to Hawaii, 2 round trip tickets to california, and I have enough points now for two round trip tickets to Europe again.

Chase United Explorer has (or used to have) a sign up bonus of 45,000 miles, which means you only need another 15,000 for a ticket to Europe.

My wife and I usually spend around 30-40K/year on our credit card, which gives us 40,000 miles + I think they give you another 10,000 if you spend over $20K in a year.

I usually rack up another 30-40K miles/year from work travel.

Nope. Best deal to Europe is Aer Lingus from Boston to Dublin. 40k avios points for round trip business class. Yes, business class.

No matter what, you want to collect amex points. You can convert them to star alliance points (I'm with aeroplan), or to avios, amongst others (starwood, delta etc).

A few times a year, amex has a conversion bonus. Normally it's 1 amex point = 1 avios, but occasionally they have 30%, 40%, or 50% bonus during the year.

My friend converted ~27k amex points to 40k avios and went round trip business class to Europe. That's roughly equivalent to $270.


One other thing: amex points work like cash. If you find a trip for $1000, you can use 100k points and not pay a dime. With air mile type programs, you usually still have to pay the taxes and fees. I flew my wife from London to Vancouver for the holidays, paid 100k miles and still had to shell out $650 in fees and taxes. Still beat paying $2200 for the ticket though.
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
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No matter what, you want to collect amex points. You can convert them to star alliance points (I'm with aeroplan), or to avios, amongst others (starwood, delta etc).

I don't think that is true either. There really is no 'best' program and I say that as an avid MR point collector. They have their strengths (except Delta ) and weakness so it depends on where you want to go and what you want to do. Amex MR has some great short haul US domestic options if you can find AA space or great options to Ireland and Spain. Unfortunately most of your other Trans atlantic or Pacific options come with really high fuel surcharges. ANA does have some potential but can be tricky to work

IMO their hotel redemptions are lackluster. Nothing really compares to Chase UR's Hyatt 1:1 transfer rate. If there is a Hyatt where you want to go this is almost certainly a far better option than MR Hotel options.

Chase also gives you access to United which, while it doesn't always have the best redemption rate, they typically have great availability options and almost no fuel charges.

From your link (2nd one), 40K per leg from US to South Asia or 80K round trip for coach seat.

The new number came directly from UA website. I checked for 1 round trip from US to a medium size airport in Asia and it was 90K miles (30K from US to that market and 60K to fly back to US). The same ticket would be 60K to 65K or so last year.

The new higher mile requirements are not fully being implement in all markets yet. I can't just fly UA only from US to Asia. I will have to switch to either Japan Air, Nippon, Eva, etc. when I am out of the US and into smaller markets/airports in Asia.

Thats why its higher then. As I mentioned if you involve a partner then its going to cost notably more. Travel on United metal only isn't changing that much so its not fair to say 'United is going to require 50% more miles to redeem tickets'. There are a number of options that haven't changed at all (although not the most attractive ones)
 
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silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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I don't think that is true either. There really is no 'best' program and I say that as an avid MR point collector. They have their strengths (except Delta ) and weakness so it depends on where you want to go and what you want to do. Amex MR has some great short haul US domestic options if you can find AA space or great options to Ireland and Spain. Unfortunately most of your other Trans atlantic or Pacific options come with really high fuel surcharges. ANA does have some potential but can be tricky to work

IMO their hotel redemptions are lackluster. Nothing really compares to Chase UR's Hyatt 1:1 transfer rate. If there is a Hyatt where you want to go this is almost certainly a far better option than MR Hotel options.

Chase also gives you access to United which, while it doesn't always have the best redemption rate, they typically have great availability options and almost no fuel charges.



Thats why its higher then. As I mentioned if you involve a partner then its going to cost notably more. Travel on United metal only isn't changing that much so its not fair to say 'United is going to require 50% more miles to redeem tickets'. There are a number of options that haven't changed at all (although not the most attractive ones)


Amex goes 1:1 with Hilton points.

Besides, if you stay in hotels, Starwood usually has the best program. If it's hotels you want, then the Starwood Amex is where it's at. Through normal amex it's 1 amex : 0.5 starwood points normally, but with the Starwood amex, you earn 1 starwood point per $1 spent as opposed to 1 (or 1.25) amex points per $1 spent.
 

shadow9d9

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
8,132
2
0
Fidelity amex 2%
Amazon visa 3%
Mastercard 1% in case place doesn't take amex
Target 5% plus free shipping card when deals pop up
 

nisryus

Senior member
Sep 11, 2007
752
135
106
Citibank MC Platinum - Rarely use except for mail order medicine from Medco Health.
Discover - Use for almost everything. Love the cashback bonus.
Amex Costco - Use only for shopping at Costco.
Target Redcard - for shopping at Target only.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
46,044
62
91
2 - Unfortunately have a 4% APY balance on one, paying it off very quickly. Life happened.
 

Xonim

Golden Member
Jul 13, 2011
1,131
0
0
About a half-dozen, with plans to acquire another 4-5 this year for signup bonuses. My wife and I have been signing up separately to each get the bonus. Sometime next year we're going to have a 2-3 week vacation in Europe, including business class flights and 4-5 star hotels every night, that will have been fully subsidized by CC signup bonuses.

Current cards:
Chase Amazon Visa (oldest card)
Chase Freedom
Chase Sapphire Preferred
Chase United MileagePlus Explorer
AmEx Blue Cash Preferred
Discover IT
Target Red Card

On my radar for this year:
Chase Hyatt (2 free nights at any Hyatt property)
Club Carlson Visa (85k points, last night free on stays of 2 nights or more)
AmEx Starwood Preferred Guest (25k points = approx 2 nights)

I hate to bring the bad news to you but the new requirement is coming. United will require about 50% more miles to redeem tickets from what I read.

For example: a coach round trip ticket from US to Asia was about 65K miles, now it will be about 90K miles or so.

Read this and weep = http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...eded-for-many-frequent-flier-tickets/3344437/

Coach tickets to Europe are unchanged @ 60k round trip. The new points rates are live on the United website.
 

thegimp03

Diamond Member
Jul 5, 2004
7,426
2
81
Between my SO and I, we have 6. 2 of them get the majority of our purchases. The others receive recurring monthly charges to keep open for credit history.
 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
11,288
7
0
Nope. Best deal to Europe is Aer Lingus from Boston to Dublin. 40k avios points for round trip business class. Yes, business class.

No matter what, you want to collect amex points. You can convert them to star alliance points (I'm with aeroplan), or to avios, amongst others (starwood, delta etc).

A few times a year, amex has a conversion bonus. Normally it's 1 amex point = 1 avios, but occasionally they have 30%, 40%, or 50% bonus during the year.

My friend converted ~27k amex points to 40k avios and went round trip business class to Europe. That's roughly equivalent to $270.


One other thing: amex points work like cash. If you find a trip for $1000, you can use 100k points and not pay a dime. With air mile type programs, you usually still have to pay the taxes and fees. I flew my wife from London to Vancouver for the holidays, paid 100k miles and still had to shell out $650 in fees and taxes. Still beat paying $2200 for the ticket though.


What amex card do you use to collect amex points? I have a lowes amex card, but it appears I can only use the points to get a few gift cards.
 
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