How many people should be alllowed to Immigrate to America?

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UNCjigga

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Considering 2 million is the bare minimum in order to sustain our current GDP growth rate, I would argue 5+ million if we ever hope to achieve real growth or prosperity. You'd need to couple that or balance that with incentives for native-born women to have babies again, especially wealthier women (replace the estate tax with a per-heir inheritance tax--encourages wealthy families to have more children and break up their estates.) Equal pay and better family leave policies, promoting a living wage...these are all things that can help Americans have more babies and thus counterbalance our need for more foreigners.

Some folks (even liberals) are starting to believe in the "doom loop" theory of liberalism--as countries adopt more liberal policies, women work more and have fewer babies, thus Western democracies need to rely on immigration for growth, which leads to populism, nationalism, fascism and eventually the death of liberalism. I think that's a pretty stupid theory, all things considered, as it's just proof that even "Western" democracies are still only paying lip service to the ideal of equal work for equal pay and decent family leave, and I think it's more an indictment of the "nuclear family" than anything else.
 

Svnla

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Nov 10, 2003
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I am more concerned about quality over quantity. I rather pick out the best ones as other nations (two of them that I remember at the moment are Canada and Australia because I did some research about LEGAL immigration about those two countries) are doing with "points" for LEGAL immigrants.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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If one less were allowed maybe the OP wouldn't have been able to post this is my thought.
 
Jul 9, 2009
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Perhaps you missed the history class? Europeans moving to North America killing off indigenous population? It already happend.
Is there something wrong with preventing it from happening again? Learn from history, don't repeat it.
 

alcoholbob

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May 24, 2005
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Well, we only create ~200k jobs a month, 5 million immigrants would mean importing at least 2.5 million+ people without job prospects seems a bit irresponsible, but if you want to combine that with a UBI program with that I wouldn't mind, it just means the unemployment rate is going to look ugly.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Anyone wanting a population growth of 5+ million, that is insanely ignorant.

That is MORE people than the entire state of Alabama. Every single year. Thankfully, fresh water really does fall from the sky, but even that has its limits. You are, via your claim, attacking your own quality of life. For each additional person that means fewer resources for the rest of us. That means massive cutbacks in what you can use, in what we can use per person. Not just in terms of water but for all our other resources. Do you care about the strip mining of natural resources, as we currently do to sustain 325 million people? Why should we increase that rate of destruction to support 400 million?

Let me fill you in on a little clue. We are already beyond the point of sustainability. The difference will hit us like a brick wall in due time. It'll become clearer as we approach the wall. But by then it'll either be too late, or the "solution" will be considerable control and cutback over your quality of life. To forcibly ensure a sustainable life style for a higher population, you will not recognize living in America.

This country is populated enough, wanting to reduce the resources per person any further could be considered an existential threat by the native population. Hell, their fear of this outcome could be existential in itself.

The goal of the human race should be achieving sustainability, not working to undermine it.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Anyone wanting a population growth of 5+ million, that is insanely ignorant.

That is MORE people than the entire state of Alabama. Every single year. Thankfully, fresh water really does fall from the sky, but even that has its limits. You are, via your claim, attacking your own quality of life. For each additional person that means fewer resources for the rest of us. That means massive cutbacks in what you can use, in what we can use per person. Not just in terms of water but for all our other resources. Do you care about the strip mining of natural resources, as we currently do to sustain 325 million people? Why should we increase that rate of destruction to support 400 million?

Let me fill you in on a little clue. We are already beyond the point of sustainability. The difference will hit us like a brick wall in due time. It'll become clearer as we approach the wall. But by then it'll either be too late, or the "solution" will be considerable control and cutback over your quality of life. To forcibly ensure a sustainable life style for a higher population, you will not recognize living in America.

This country is populated enough, wanting to reduce the resources per person any further could be considered an existential threat by the native population. Hell, their fear of this outcome could be existential in itself.

The goal of the human race should be achieving sustainability, not working to undermine it.

It seems odd to me that so many people seem to want the USA (and other first-world countries) to have India-like population density. No fucking thanks.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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It seems odd to me that so many people seem to want the USA (and other first-world countries) to have India-like population density. No fucking thanks.

I'm more concerned with us having an India-like distribution of income & wealth.

They do trickle down, right?
 

Xellos2099

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Mar 8, 2005
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Trump say many stupid thing but he is on point with if you want to enter the country, enter it legally. Why should the illegal have an easy way in compare to those who wait years to enter the country legally. And the funny thing is whenever I bring this up, I got excuses like white people come here illegally too and being call racist. Catch and release is a bad policy and it is basically open border. According to the statics, around 50% of the people who claim asylum do not show up for their hearing. Even if one claim being illegal is not a crime, how about driving with no license, insurance or even maybe working with stolen social security number?

I don;t want to made this legal vs illegal but whenever i hear saying all immigrants are important to the country my blood boil.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Here's what Trump prefers

Norway - all that want to come
African or primarily black countries - Those shitholes? No fucking way
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Trump say many stupid thing but he is on point with if you want to enter the country, enter it legally. Why should the illegal have an easy way in compare to those who wait years to enter the country legally. And the funny thing is whenever I bring this up, I got excuses like white people come here illegally too and being call racist. Catch and release is a bad policy and it is basically open border. According to the statics, around 50% of the people who claim asylum do not show up for their hearing. Even if one claim being illegal is not a crime, how about driving with no license, insurance or even maybe working with stolen social security number?

I don;t want to made this legal vs illegal but whenever i hear saying all immigrants are important to the country my blood boil.

Meanwhile, Trump reduces legal immigration. Go figure.
 
Jul 9, 2009
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Can't tell the difference between an opinion and a quote? Remember RIF

However I stick by my assertion because I have evidence. Unlike your incoherent non sequiturs
I just need to see where President Trump said that he would allow unlimited immigration from Norway, but none from primarily black countries.

Face it, you can't. You lied, you got called for it. Whoopee do, it's not as if you can't lie about something else....... and will.
 

Jhhnn

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BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Well, we only create ~200k jobs a month, 5 million immigrants would mean importing at least 2.5 million+ people without job prospects seems a bit irresponsible, but if you want to combine that with a UBI program with that I wouldn't mind, it just means the unemployment rate is going to look ugly.

You need to take into account thay around 300K retire every month.
Also, immigrants start a disproportionately large percentage of new businesses.
Legal immigrants are a huge boon for the economy.
 
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