How many Tesla accidents will happen in the next week? (auto steering releases 10/15)

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Midwayman

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Since you can't legally text, or do much of anything else to occupy yourself in most states, I see boredom setting in just sitting there at the wheel and doing nothing.

You can't think of anything else to do if you have your hands free on a long commute? :whiste:
 

bigi

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Video1

Video2

Not bad, not bad. Go Tesla.

Great comment from Video1, when black SUV was about to cut off - auto pilot would not have detected it.
 

z1ggy

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You can't think of anything else to do if you have your hands free on a long commute? :whiste:

You could watch Netflix....get work done...sleep. There's lots of crap you could do to keep busy (or not) in a 100% self driving car.
 

Ferzerp

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All illegal as far as I know.

In an actual autonomous car, laws will need to be updated. The driver becomes a passenger in an autonomous car. Passengers can do all those things. I don't feel like the current Teslas will never become autonomous cars with their current sensor suite.

I don't think he was claiming you can do that with what we have today. Today, you're an operator and have to maintain awareness. While learning the system, you have to pay even more attention than if you were just driving the thing yourself.
 

z1ggy

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In an actual autonomous car, laws will need to be updated. The driver becomes a passenger in an autonomous car. Passengers can do all those things. I don't feel like the current Teslas will never become autonomous cars with their current sensor suite.

I don't think he was claiming you can do that with what we have today. Today, you're an operator and have to maintain awareness. While learning the system, you have to pay even more attention than if you were just driving the thing yourself.

Yeah I meant in a completely autonomous vehicle, not the current Tesla configuration. I mean, that's the future we are heading toward and I'm pretty sure Elon Musk acknowledges this.
 

LTC8K6

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Liability for the eventual failure and accidents should be interesting.

I wonder what the insurance companies think about even just the Tesla system?

"No coverage for hands free vehicle operation"...
 

Ferzerp

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Liability for the eventual failure and accidents should be interesting.

I wonder what the insurance companies think about even just the Tesla system?

"No coverage for hands free vehicle operation"...

Right now, I don't think it's going to be an issue much. Idiots aside, the current software is really designed for hands on operation.

They're very clear that it isn't autonomous driving, it is beta, and you'd better be ready to take over.

That said, I have used it hands off, but always with hands near. There have been times that I have used it outside its intended purpose, and have had to correct it.


The steering is strong enough you can just hold the wheel and it will easily move your hands/arms with it unless you apply pressure to override it.
 

LTC8K6

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I can see it now.

"Unintended Swerving"

It'll be just like "Unintended Acceleration".

"The car just turned, I couldn't stop it."

"I held on with all my might, but the wheel overpowered me."

"It was super strong, like it was possessed."
 

Ferzerp

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I can see it now.

"Unintended Swerving"

It'll be just like "Unintended Acceleration".

"The car just turned, I couldn't stop it."

"I held on with all my might, but the wheel overpowered me."

"It was super strong, like it was possessed."

"Logs show that autopilot wasn't engaged and the driver turned the wheel 90° with an average of 15 lbs of force and was applying 24% throttle". As much info as that car is capable of logging, I really don't see this being attempted more than once.

Remember the journalist who made up stories about his battery depletion and the logs showed the whole scenario to be fabricated? (All the details were a lie, and he had charged nowhere near the required level to make it to his destination.
 

LTC8K6

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"Logs show that autopilot wasn't engaged and the driver turned the wheel 90° with an average of 15 lbs of force and was applying 24% throttle". As much info as that car is capable of logging, I really don't see this being attempted more than once.

Remember the journalist who made up stories about his battery depletion and the logs showed the whole scenario to be fabricated? (All the details were a lie, and he had charged nowhere near the required level to make it to his destination.

No, I don't remember it that way at all.

I don't think that fight was ever really settled. I'm not sure who was telling the truth there.

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.c...and-judgment-but-not-integrity-in-tesla-test/

I do remember that black box data from cars didn't seem to convince the public that people were stepping on the wrong pedal.
 
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Brovane

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this will reduce accidents, but not sure how much it will reduce them.

A lot of rear-end accidents are caused by in-attentive drivers.

This was interesting from the automated driving being applied to semi-trucks. In this instance it was a collision avoidance system.

At Oakley Transport Inc., a Lake Wales, Fla., trucking company, 250 trucks equipped with the Bendix collision-avoidance system have recorded just one rear-end collision since late 2013, compared with eight such accidents over the same period involving Oakley’s 250 tractors without the system. Maintenance Director Peter Nativo said the brake system, which costs about $2,500 per truck, recently proved its worth by detecting wheels sitting in a roadway well before an Oakley driver noticed the hazard in lowlight conditions.
 

natto fire

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I would guess it will be the same or much less. I am pretty sure they have been holding back on this much disputed update because the plan was to only release it when it could beat a human driver. Not a huge task, because even though humans kill hundreds of thousands on the road each year, if a machine kills a single one, it would automatically be much worse.
 

pauldun170

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Exactly; I am not getting this at all. Parallel parking, I can understand but adaptive cruise control does not seem to be taking the driving out of drivers hand. I rarely use cruise control though as I do not like my vehicle punching the gas when it encounters slight grade in the road. I prefer to drive the vehicle with constant throttle than at constant velocity.

Your driving style is more likely to result in traffic disturbances and is one of the major causes of traffic congestion. Constant throttle will result in speed variation. The effect of you speeding up, slowing down speeding up, slowing down has a negative impact on everyone behind you.
Maintaining a constant speed is the proper, responsible thing to do.
 

thedarkwolf

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That is scary as hell. Is that the kamikaze insane mode upgrade?

More of idiot not using it the proper way mode. It was giving him the warning take control beeps before anything happened. He was just too busy with his hands off the wheel fooling with his camera and he was using it on the wrong kind of road.
 

tortillasoup

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Your driving style is more likely to result in traffic disturbances and is one of the major causes of traffic congestion. Constant throttle will result in speed variation. The effect of you speeding up, slowing down speeding up, slowing down has a negative impact on everyone behind you.
Maintaining a constant speed is the proper, responsible thing to do.

Traffic jams are caused by people changing lanes, not because of a 10 mph change in speed. A person speeding up to 80mph briefly then slowing back down to 60 isn't going to meaningfully slow down traffic like a person driving 60mph switching lanes in front of another driver going 60mph.
 

pauldun170

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Traffic jams are caused by people changing lanes, not because of a 10 mph change in speed. A person speeding up to 80mph briefly then slowing back down to 60 isn't going to meaningfully slow down traffic like a person driving 60mph switching lanes in front of another driver going 60mph.


The effect of one driver varying speed causes the driver behind to vary as well with each following driver impacted a bit more. In other words when one driver slows slightly, the person behind slows as well if not more as inputs and reaction times come into play. The person behind that driver then reacts in similar fashion where the speed variation and the rate of change escalates until you go farther back into the chain and it causes someone to not only lift of the accelerator but then use the brake lights. Brake light cause a more severe reaction as multiple cars in the chain hit the brakes. Meanwhile when the car out front accelerates again, the cars behind will not fill the gap react to the acceleration event as that slow.....

Dammit...I read a bunch of damn studies years ago on this crap. I'm sticking to my guns that I'm right.

Your not going to make me dig for this stuff are you?
That shit was painful to read the first go round and that was years back.


Actually fuck it.
I'm wrong...everyone else is right. I withdraw my earlier comment.
I'm not digging through all that crap again just to argue traffic causes.

tortillasoup - I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced in this matter
 

skyking

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I'm with you anyway, Paul. Fucksticks who can't hold a speed need to use cruise. Those pulsations are more than annoying.
 

tortillasoup

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Dammit...I read a bunch of damn studies years ago on this crap. I'm sticking to my guns that I'm right.
I read similar studies as well. Is this what you're talking about?
http://trafficwaves.org/
http://gizmodo.com/5984934/most-traffic-jams-are-caused-by-just-a-handful-of-idiots

Comments section about the merging lane and zipper effect seem accurate. People not providing enough following distance are a much bigger factor.


Speed variations aren't even a possibility in heavy traffic anyway. Biggest thing is allowing plenty of space in front of you to allow for other cars on the road to change lanes. People have a major issue with following distances that cause these traffic issues.
 
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