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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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'You guys shouldn't try to segregate yourselves from poor people! You should instead learn a lesson from suburban people, who have already segregated themselves from poor people.'

Economic and racial segregation is literally why the suburbs were created in the first place.
 

sze5003

Lifer
Aug 18, 2012
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No idea how much it went up due to his tax plan. I also got a raise and bonus so my increase is seen from that but I had no idea it would go up due to taxes.

I believe it's limited to a family of 4 making 75k that would see benefits. I'm a family of 1so I'll probably be paying more.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I got a sizable increase in my take home pay, about $85 bi weekly. How about you? Say what you want about Trump, but I like having that money in my pocket vs. going into the government blackhole. Just hope our deficit doesn't go wild from this, hopefully some reductions in spending or more efficient use of money is put in place.
Assuming you are telling the truth that gain is lost in the future. Have you factored in the increases in medical insurance over and above what would have occurred?
 
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glenn1

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Sep 6, 2000
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'You guys shouldn't try to segregate yourselves from poor people! You should instead learn a lesson from suburban people, who have already segregated themselves from poor people.'

Poors in suburbs now exceed urban poors. What you guys excel in is concentrated poverty. You know, the kind of poverty that especially increases the chances of things like, say, riots.

 

fskimospy

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Poors in suburbs now exceed urban poors. What you guys excel in is concentrated poverty. You know, the kind of poverty that especially increases the chances of things like, say, riots.


Haha, nice try. The suburban poor population is larger because the suburban population is somewhere around double the urban one.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-suburban-are-big-american-cities/

Don’t try to play down your successful segregation. That seems like something you would be proud of anyway.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Yea, yea... because there are rich and very rich people others need social programs. Sure, whatever. Bottom line is those that want to achieve can and will. Those that want to blame society and leach off others will do that as well.
Kinda funny the top 1% started working twice as hard as everyone else starting around 1979. That's when the wage gap began expanding. Wonder why the rest of us got so lazy.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Poors in suburbs now exceed urban poors. What you guys excel in is concentrated poverty. You know, the kind of poverty that especially increases the chances of things like, say, riots.

"Poors" have increased due to higher costs and stagnant wages, not helped in the least by Reagan's trickle down economics, via:

 
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So what do you propose we cut?

I always thought the better question to ask is "what do you want the government to do?" And then follow it up by saying, "that will cost this much per year". Arbitrary cutting seems like a poor way to decide how to set priorities.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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And all you had to do for your $85 was accept a permanent tax increase for the rest of your life, starting about 10 years from now.

Ah, but you misunderstand. In ten years' time, it will be someone else's fault, and SS will still be waving Trump's flag and talking about "the good old days".
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Yea, yea... because there are rich and very rich people others need social programs. Sure, whatever. Bottom line is those that want to achieve can and will. Those that want to blame society and leach off others will do that as well.

That's the standard boilerplate of conservative denial. The very structure of the economy has shifted beneath your feet & you simply refuse to acknowledge it.
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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Economic and racial segregation is literally why the suburbs were created in the first place.

Actually they were created because we wanted a higher standard of living (square footage, etc) that couldn't be achieved in cities plus a lifestyle far different than what was on offer in those urban areas. Not everyone wants to live in a Manhattan broom closet for $4k/month and dealing with urban population densities and other indignities. As backed up by the evidence we're happier too.

Urban dwellers are significantly less likely to be happy than their suburban or rural counterparts

Haha, nice try. The suburban poor population is larger because the suburban population is somewhere around double the urban one.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-suburban-are-big-american-cities/

Don’t try to play down your successful segregation. That seems like something you would be proud of anyway.

The chart is a percentage. My point remains that suburbanites aren't the ones formenting riots in our neighborhoods. My other point remains as well that red state folks and suburbanites shouldn't be compelled to pay taxes to protect wealthy urbanites from your neighbors. You can either feed and house them yourself or take the risk that your head will be separated from your body.
 

bshole

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That's 185 post tax dollars a month in my pocket for doing nothing different. I'll gladly take it with a smile on my face. If you don't want any extra money that comes your way I can give you my Paypal, you can send it to me.

Exactly how poor are you? My son the fast food worker would notice that amount but I certainly wouldn't.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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Exactly how poor are you? My son the fast food worker would notice that amount but I certainly wouldn't.

Give it back to the Treasury then and reduce that future debt payments you seem so worried about.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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The chart is a percentage. My point remains that suburbanites aren't the ones formenting riots in our neighborhoods. My other point remains as well that red state folks and suburbanites shouldn't be compelled to pay taxes to protect wealthy urbanites from your neighbors. You can either feed and house them yourself or take the risk that your head will be separated from your body.

Yes, it’s a percentage of the total poor in the US living in each type of area. Since more than twice as many people live in suburban areas as urban ones the fact that they only have a slightly larger share of the poor shows how segregated suburbs are. Thanks for proving my point!

As for who is paying for what, cities are paying for you, not the other way around just as liberal states are generally paying for the less economically effective conservative ones. It would be nice if conservatives just said thank you instead of trying to lie about accepting welfare from liberal areas.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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I agree! Maybe we can start with the military budget as that is by FAR the largest expenditure and has the the most removable fat on it. Right?

Incorrect buddeh. Entitlement spending blasts everything else out the water.

And removable fat? It probably is easier, politically, to cut military spending than entitlement spending, but that's going to have consequences abroad.
 
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As for who is paying for what, cities are paying for you, not the other way around just as liberal states are generally paying for the less economically effective conservative ones. It would be nice if conservatives just said thank you instead of trying to lie about accepting welfare from liberal areas.

Maybe we should stop doing this and when their states go to even more shit they would only have themselves to blame? Oh who am i kidding, they'd still blame Hillary or Obama somehow.

And then we can tell them "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps"
 

glenn1

Lifer
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Maybe we should stop doing this and when their states go to even more shit they would only have themselves to blame? Oh who am i kidding, they'd still blame Hillary or Obama somehow.

And then we can tell them "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps"

Maybe you should demonstrate you can fix your own problems with your own poors and stop worrying about ours.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Actually they were created because we wanted a higher standard of living (square footage, etc) that couldn't be achieved in cities plus a lifestyle far different than what was on offer in those urban areas. Not everyone wants to live in a Manhattan broom closet for $4k/month and dealing with urban population densities and other indignities. As backed up by the evidence we're happier too.

Urban dwellers are significantly less likely to be happy than their suburban or rural counterparts

White people wanted more space and no blacks/poors. The government and corporations/banks accommodated them. The dude who basically invented the suburb was up front with people that he wouldn't let blacks into his developments...he put it in the sale contacts.

As always I find your deep seated, and apparently irrational, hatred of cities interesting and how you rarely fail to inject it into any conversation.
 

SlowSpyder

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Jan 12, 2005
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I noticed Mr Slow hasn't acknowledged your post.

In post #36 the very first thing I said is we can spend less on our military. The rest is a mix of cake talking points with some reality mixed. 11.5 million jobs? Great! How were the wages? More insured people? That's a mixed bag at best, either way I'm still paying for a lot of healthcare of others, and that hasn't changed. I don't feel the ACA did anything really worthwhile. It creates talking points the same way the War on Drugs claims success when they bust someone for having 100lbs of marijuana. It must be good, they have numbers to show! Right? Violent crime has been trending down for decades, even as we have more lax gun laws... imagine that! I have no problem with Obama, I think he did well overall, though I didn't agree with everything (ACA). But I like Trump too and think he's doing a great job.
 

bshole

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The analogy of this tax plan that I came up with is this. Say you are 50 years old and have 1 million in your 401K. The government comes along and liquidates your 401K. They then write you a check for 500K. Would you be happy? In the face of a highly stimulated economy, borrowing substantially from our future for trivial payouts today is not good governance.
 
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