PhatoseAlpha
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I'm pretty sure theft or not, it's still evil. You're profiting from someone else's labors, without their permissions - and in fact in direct opposition to their wishes, without compensating them, with complete knowledge that they are in fact dependent upon sales of those products for their livelihood. You are absolutely doing harm, and taking things to which you have no claim.
As can I. So? The fact that murder is worse then assault doesn't make assault not evil.
No, it isn't a moral issue. Imagine if the first man to start a fire patented it, or someone had IP ownership of a sandwich.
And no, it isn't theft. Neither legally or morally.
You are not necessarily doing harm, excluding voluntary mental infuriation (which you should not be accountable for). How does downloading something that you weren't going to buy anyway cause harm? Either way, the outcome for the developer is the same.
While it may be rude (in this society), it is far from evil. I don't even see how your can make that claim. An arbitrary idea of infringing upon IP is evil? That is like saying running a stop sign is evil.
You're forgetting priests that molest little children and don't get so much as a slap on the wrist are evil. Let's put copyright infringement in the same catagory, apparently it's ok then.
Yes, because murder and assault is pretty much the same thing as copyright theft. Jay walkers are evil? Pillow tag removers evil? People who fart in public are evil? Trolls are evil? People who eat meat are evil? Bad tippers evil?
You seem a bit confused. Legality and Morality are separate issues. Piracy isn't immoral because it's illegal. It's immoral AND illegal.
I'm pretty sure theft or not, it's still evil. You're profiting from someone else's labors, without their permissions - and in fact in direct opposition to their wishes, without compensating them, with complete knowledge that they are in fact dependent upon sales of those products for their livelihood. You are absolutely doing harm, and taking things to which you have no claim.
See the SimCity thread. How much as EA profited from others labor without compensating them by providing the agreed upon entertainment? At $150,000 per infringement, I'd say EA owes several trillion dollars. Anything less than that is evil.
Most people would consider breaking the law a moral issue. If the law is unjust, then work to change it.
BTW patent law is entirely different than copyright.
You seem a bit confused. Legality and Morality are separate issues. Piracy isn't immoral because it's illegal. It's immoral AND illegal.
You seem a bit confused. Legality and Morality are separate issues. Piracy isn't immoral because it's illegal. It's immoral AND illegal.
A game is the product of the labor of many people. If those people are fired because their game doesn't sell enough yet is pirated many times more than it is sold how can you say piracy is not immoral?
That is where I believe you are wrong.
Yes, it is illegal.
No, it is not immoral. No, it is not evil. And I don't see how you could think that without deluding yourself to thinking the piracy is theft and causes direct harm (which has been proven multiple times to be false).
Most people would consider breaking the law a moral issue. If the law is unjust, then work to change it.
BTW patent law is entirely different than copyright.
No, I think it causes indirect harm. Pretty sure that's still harm.
Less like theft, more like a stowaway on a passenger plane. The plane was going that way anyway - but they're not paying their way, so really everyone else on the plane is paying for them to fly. Leeches, basically.
A game is the product of the labor of many people. If those people are fired because their game doesn't sell enough yet is pirated many times more than it is sold how can you say piracy is not immoral?
You can try to rationalize it all you want, but to attempt to say piracy is not immoral requires a suspension of logic you should be ashamed of.