How much GOD loves Us!

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Why do so many people believe in a god? Quite simply, because they where taught to by their parents. Its no coincidence that 90%+ people believe in the same religion as their parents. Can you really call it "faith" when children are basically programed to have "faith" before they even understand what it is?

Another point I would like to make is I do not teach my daughter not to believe in God. First of all, she is to young to understand the concept (which is why I believe the church tries to get their teeth into them so early). When she is old enough I will teach her to view her options and to make up her own mind. I see no need to force my beliefs on her as most religious families do their children.

QFT

It's encouraging to see I'm not the only one in the world who will teach my children to think critically and discover their own spiritual beliefs and to understand what it means to them rather than spoon feeding my own beliefs or those of others.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Why do so many people believe in a god? Quite simply, because they where taught to by their parents. Its no coincidence that 90%+ people believe in the same religion as their parents. Can you really call it "faith" when children are basically programed to have "faith" before they even understand what it is?

Another point I would like to make is I do not teach my daughter not to believe in God. First of all, she is to young to understand the concept (which is why I believe the church tries to get their teeth into them so early). When she is old enough I will teach her to view her options and to make up her own mind. I see no need to force my beliefs on her as most religious families do their children.

QFT

It's encouraging to see I'm not the only one in the world who will teach my children to think critically and discover their own spiritual beliefs and to understand what it means to them rather than spoon feeding my own beliefs or those of others.

That's how I am with mine, as well. If they want to know about god in whatever form, they're free to have at it or ask questions. Frankly, I don't think it's something most kids are really concerned about unless it's been fed to them.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Darwin333


Why do so many people believe in a god? Quite simply, because they where taught to by their parents. Its no coincidence that 90%+ people believe in the same religion as their parents. Can you really call it "faith" when children are basically programed to have "faith" before they even understand what it is?

That's the right answer. Kids are not only taught to believe, but are forced to believe. Parents are too interested in cramming God down the throats of their toddlers instead of forcing them to pay attention to science. By the time a kid is old enough to think on their own God is a nice cozy security blanket. Why toss that away for logic, reason and intelligence? Heaven is too convenient, that's where your first dog went, that's where grandma and grandpa are going. By the time you have the ability to not believe in fairy tales those fairy tales are far too comforting. Quick quiz: There have been dozens of major religions and millions of minor ones. They all share one thing in common. What is it? Give up? It's the prospect of an afterlife, reincarnation or some other method of it not being over when it's over. It's no coincidence that mankind is the only creature on earth aware of his own mortality and the only one that invented religion to cover it.

I think it's funny that most religions have some sort of religious affirmation while the kid is still clueless, brainwashed and completely under his parents control. At 13 did you have the ability to refuse your parents when they absolutely forced you to do something? Could you have said no to your bar mitzvah or confirmation or walking on fire or whatever rite of passage your tribe mandated? No way. You were born into your religion just as surely as all the other lemmings were born into theirs. Jews, if you were born across the street to a different family you'd be just as certain of Allah as you are of your current God. Christians, if you were born 3000 years earlier you'd be 100% certain that Zeus or Odin or Ra or Apollo was the great cosmic muffin instead of your current king of the pedophiles. Greek myth, roman myth, norse myth, Babylonian myth, Sumerian myth, Aztec myth, etc etc etc. Those were not myths to their followers, they were RELIGIONS. The followers were taught of the gods, they read the collection of written lore like you have your bible or koran. They went to services and they prayed. They were SURE they were following real gods. The reason you laugh at them and dismiss them as pagans is the same reason that we atheists laugh at YOU. You're exactly the same and one day your gods will be talked about as mythology too. There have been millions of gods worshipped down through the centuries. Most of you religious folks reject all but one of them and are too close-minded to undestand why we reject yours.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger

Originally posted by: tealk
Blind leading the blind. I pray for you.

ok, now even I've got to tell you to back it down a notch. Simple little statements like this don't accomplish anything other than to add fuel to the fire. You are not going to convince anyone if this is your idea of debate or evangelism.

A much better response would be:

3. God is interested in us, but not to the point of being heavy-handed and running the whole show. He also often works in our lives in spite of our problems, whether they're the result of accident/random chance or our own doing.

that is a fair enough statement

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger

Originally posted by: tealk
Blind leading the blind. I pray for you.

ok, now even I've got to tell you to back it down a notch. Simple little statements like this don't accomplish anything other than to add fuel to the fire. You are not going to convince anyone if this is your idea of debate or evangelism.

A much better response would be:

3. God is interested in us, but not to the point of being heavy-handed and running the whole show. He also often works in our lives in spite of our problems, whether they're the result of accident/random chance or our own doing.

that is a fair enough statement

Except that pretty much every book of fairy tales quite clearly spells out that their version of God is in fact running the show. You don't get it both ways and you can't reinvent the supposedly sacred texts upon which your religion is based to cover the fact that God is a no show. If the bible says he's watching you and protecting you and you need to invent a different version of him where he's an absentee what religion are you following? It's not a chinese menu where you choose one belief from column A and two from column B. If you reject what your holy books tell you about gods role you've rejected the entire foundation of the religion.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger

Originally posted by: tealk
Blind leading the blind. I pray for you.

ok, now even I've got to tell you to back it down a notch. Simple little statements like this don't accomplish anything other than to add fuel to the fire. You are not going to convince anyone if this is your idea of debate or evangelism.

A much better response would be:

3. God is interested in us, but not to the point of being heavy-handed and running the whole show. He also often works in our lives in spite of our problems, whether they're the result of accident/random chance or our own doing.

that is a fair enough statement

Except that pretty much every book of fairy tales quite clearly spells out that their version of God is in fact running the show. You don't get it both ways and you can't reinvent the supposedly sacred texts upon which your religion is based to cover the fact that God is a no show. If the bible says he's watching you and protecting you and you need to invent a different version of him where he's an absentee what religion are you following? It's not a chinese menu where you choose one belief from column A and two from column B. If you reject what your holy books tell you about gods role you've rejected the entire foundation of the religion.

i don't argue with that either. the problem is that books are written by man and are open to interpretation and manipulation

there COULD be a god as described above, but the organized religions we speak of could also be wrong entirely.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
... but the organized religions we speak of could also be wrong entirely.

Remember that if even ONE of the millions of organized religions throughout history has been right all the others are wrong entirely.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
... but the organized religions we speak of could also be wrong entirely.

Remember that if even ONE of the millions of organized religions throughout history has been right all the others are wrong entirely.

no arguments there either

 

[tealk]

I agree with that 100%.....There is ONLY one way......Jesus. As said in my sig.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: meltdown75
To be able to simply respect the beliefs of others is a lost trait in this world.

You can have any belief you want, you don't ever have to even tell me what your belief is, it's a personal belief so keep it to yourself and we'll get along just fine.

The second you preach to me i'll have a problem with you though because like TallBill, i find your religious beliefs stupid and immature, like you need some kind of father figure because you're not man enough to take care of yourself.

Sounds harsh, i know but unlike preachers and churches and political nartics i'm at least honest, i don't smile and give you blessing with one hand while taking your hard earned money with the other.

^^

I would like to exhibit this type of religious troll as type A. He / she / it (some of them may actually be bots) automatically assumes that because you are simply speaking out about respect and tolerance of the various religions / creeds / beliefs here on Earth that YOU YOURSELF are in fact religious (they often brand you as Christian).

Let me get this straight, i say "You can have any belief you want, you don't ever have to even tell me what your belief is, it's a personal belief so keep it to yourself and we'll get along just fine." and your response is that i assume your religious and call you Christian?

I didn't call YOU anything, i meant the general you and if you don't feel that you belong in that group then you are not one of them i'm talking to.

Get that or do i have to type it slower for you?

No problem. I guess you'll just have to tell me when I was preaching or advocating any one belief. That's where you lost me. If I had a specific belief myself, perhaps I could preach about it...

Bolded for your convenience and an apology for the misunderstanding, i wasn't being very clear about what i meant in my original post.

 

[randay]

/me quietly registers aethisttube.com

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: tealk
I agree with that 100%.....There is ONLY one way......Jesus. As said in my sig.

the cockiness is ironic

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: tealk
I agree with that 100%.....There is ONLY one way......Jesus. As said in my sig.

I talked to Jesus the other day. Jovial spanish fellow, did GREAT work on my car.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: tealk
I agree with that 100%.....There is ONLY one way......Jesus. As said in my sig.

Yep, if you want to be a pedophile that's the best way to go. As for little boys though, they should stay as far away from him as possible because he clearly protects priests rather than them.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what do the response be if i went to godtube and posted a video about allah being the true and only god? i mean, it is called godtube, not jesustube.

But its not called allahtube either. You fail.

when did i say it had to be just allah?

I guess you miss the point that Godtube is Christ centered. Not "anyone's god" centered. Perhaps you missed the giant cross on the front page of the site. Try reading the about us page.

http://www.godtube.com/about.php

Well, Allah is just the Arabic name for the god of Abraham so i don't see what the big deal is? Same god, different names.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: tealk
I agree with that 100%.....There is ONLY one way......Jesus. As said in my sig.

I agree that you think there's only one way.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Ok, for reference, this is being tolerant/respectful while not necessarily agreeing at all

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Hey, if it makes you a better person I'm all for it, as long as you don't try and cram it down my throat. If it makes you a worse person I will go out of my way to bring you down. I don't see anything wrong with this, not my cup of tea so it's not on my bookmark list. As for religious rhetoric (good or bad), you'll only listen if you already believe, a video clip isn't going to make people do a 180.

And this is being a troll that contributes nothing

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: MillionaireNextDoor
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Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Doctors are the reason she is still alive,

In the Bible, God is known to work through people. How can you be certain that God didn't send or work through the doctors?

I can't be certain that a blue-green leprechaun riding a pink unicorn with purple polka dots and a lime green three legged dog named lucky aren't trotting around through outer space but I can reasonably say they aren't up there.

You don't have to like us, just be civil. The vast majority of the human population beleives in a god of some kind, there is a reason for this. How about you try to learn why and show them the error of their ways instetad of just agitating people.

I made a valid analogy in response to "How can we be certain God isn't responsible for...."

I am quite civil with religious folk. A hellofa lot more civil than they have been to us historically. Sometimes I do get a bit colorful but I do believe that all of my points are valid. If you have faith no amount of logic, ration, or historical fact will change your mind.

As to your latter sentence religion started out to be a good way to control people and answer questions that where unanswerable. As science answered some of those question religion evolved to answer new questions that are currently unanswerable but in the end its a good way to control a large population.

Why do so many people believe in a god? Quite simply, because they where taught to by their parents. Its no coincidence that 90%+ people believe in the same religion as their parents. Can you really call it "faith" when children are basically programed to have "faith" before they even understand what it is?

Before you say that I am uncivil towards those of faith, I'll let you in on a secret. I pay a nice chunk of change to send my daughter to catholic school. Yes, I am a hypocrite for it but I could not in good conscience send my daughter to the local public schools and there are no private nonreligious schools in my area. Neither my wife or I reinforce the religious education she receives so so far its just another subject to her.

Another point I would like to make is I do not teach my daughter not to believe in God. First of all, she is to young to understand the concept (which is why I believe the church tries to get their teeth into them so early). When she is old enough I will teach her to view her options and to make up her own mind. I see no need to force my beliefs on her as most religious families do their children.

And yet, by sending her away to a catholic school you ensure that she will be forced into a specific set of belief.

I'd rather send my daughter to any public school than any religious school.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what do the response be if i went to godtube and posted a video about allah being the true and only god? i mean, it is called godtube, not jesustube.

But its not called allahtube either. You fail.

when did i say it had to be just allah?

I guess you miss the point that Godtube is Christ centered. Not "anyone's god" centered. Perhaps you missed the giant cross on the front page of the site. Try reading the about us page.

http://www.godtube.com/about.php

Well, Allah is just the Arabic name for the god of Abraham so i don't see what the big deal is? Same god, different names.

Well... this is an ongoing debate. Yes, we're talking about the God of Abraham here, but the way Muslims view Allah, the way Christians view God, and the way Jews view Yahweh are so divergent that they're practically talking about different gods.

 

[tealk]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what do the response be if i went to godtube and posted a video about allah being the true and only god? i mean, it is called godtube, not jesustube.

But its not called allahtube either. You fail.

when did i say it had to be just allah?

I guess you miss the point that Godtube is Christ centered. Not "anyone's god" centered. Perhaps you missed the giant cross on the front page of the site. Try reading the about us page.

http://www.godtube.com/about.php

Well, Allah is just the Arabic name for the god of Abraham so i don't see what the big deal is? Same god, different names.

100% NOT true. There is only ONE GOD, and he takes no other form. He is the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and end. And his name is Jesus Christ.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: tealk
I agree with that 100%.....There is ONLY one way......Jesus. As said in my sig.

I like the way that works, i can rape, plunder, pillage, basically do whatever i want as long as i acknowledge Jesus as my saviour. Ok, i'll do that.

Off to eat a baby, will be back, if not, see ya in heaven.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: tealk

100% NOT true. There is only ONE GOD, and he takes no other form. He is the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and end. And his name is Jesus Christ.

:shocked::roll::frown:

Please don't substitute flat statements for arguments or reasonings, they aren't interchangeable.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: meltdown75
To be able to simply respect the beliefs of others is a lost trait in this world.

You can have any belief you want, you don't ever have to even tell me what your belief is, it's a personal belief so keep it to yourself and we'll get along just fine.

The second you preach to me i'll have a problem with you though because like TallBill, i find your religious beliefs stupid and immature, like you need some kind of father figure because you're not man enough to take care of yourself.

Sounds harsh, i know but unlike preachers and churches and political nartics i'm at least honest, i don't smile and give you blessing with one hand while taking your hard earned money with the other.

^^

I would like to exhibit this type of religious troll as type A. He / she / it (some of them may actually be bots) automatically assumes that because you are simply speaking out about respect and tolerance of the various religions / creeds / beliefs here on Earth that YOU YOURSELF are in fact religious (they often brand you as Christian).

Let me get this straight, i say "You can have any belief you want, you don't ever have to even tell me what your belief is, it's a personal belief so keep it to yourself and we'll get along just fine." and your response is that i assume your religious and call you Christian?

I didn't call YOU anything, i meant the general you and if you don't feel that you belong in that group then you are not one of them i'm talking to.

Get that or do i have to type it slower for you?

No problem. I guess you'll just have to tell me when I was preaching or advocating any one belief. That's where you lost me. If I had a specific belief myself, perhaps I could preach about it...

Bolded for your convenience and an apology for the misunderstanding, i wasn't being very clear about what i meant in my original post.

It's all good, I'm cookin chicken.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: tealk

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what do the response be if i went to godtube and posted a video about allah being the true and only god? i mean, it is called godtube, not jesustube.

But its not called allahtube either. You fail.

when did i say it had to be just allah?

I guess you miss the point that Godtube is Christ centered. Not "anyone's god" centered. Perhaps you missed the giant cross on the front page of the site. Try reading the about us page.

http://www.godtube.com/about.php

Well, Allah is just the Arabic name for the god of Abraham so i don't see what the big deal is? Same god, different names.

100% NOT true. There is only ONE GOD, and he takes no other form. He is the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and end. And his name is Jesus Christ.

now you are SERIOUSLY throwing out the flamebait

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: tealk
http://www.godtube.com/view_vi...y=ee73e63418003b47d7d5

Bless you all

maybe it was due to me listening to it with the sound turned down and henry rollins liar song playing, but it was kind of funny.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: tealk

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
what do the response be if i went to godtube and posted a video about allah being the true and only god? i mean, it is called godtube, not jesustube.

But its not called allahtube either. You fail.

when did i say it had to be just allah?

I guess you miss the point that Godtube is Christ centered. Not "anyone's god" centered. Perhaps you missed the giant cross on the front page of the site. Try reading the about us page.

http://www.godtube.com/about.php

Well, Allah is just the Arabic name for the god of Abraham so i don't see what the big deal is? Same god, different names.

100% NOT true. There is only ONE GOD, and he takes no other form. He is the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and end. And his name is Jesus Christ.

And THAT'S why there's multiple religions based on the same text.