How much money is enough?

Captante

Lifer
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bobeedee

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What's your FU money? When would you call it quits? Does age play a big role?

My age played a role for me-I said FU at 62 with $1.5M in the 401k. I walked into work on a Tuesday morning and my boss called me into his office to tell me he was assigning more work to me because another co-worker gave his notice on Monday. (I had already had a conversation with my financial advisor a few months earlier and he said "I'll type your resignation letter if you want").
Anyways, I told my boss-"nope I'm not taking any more work and as of today, I'm giving you 12 weeks notice". It was 12 weeks because I had to stay until the end of the calandar year to get my 401K match. Never looked back and this was a company I had worked 43 years for. Not even a hand shake from the division VP, no cake, no "good luck". Fuck you.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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I think, if your wife likes Hermes scarves, no amount of money is enough...
touche

I have virtually unlimited "fuck you's" available free of charge right at this very moment!

Anybody who would like one (or even several!) lmk!
I might need some of the free "fuck you's" at end of this week.

My age played a role for me-I said FU at 62 with $1.5M in the 401k. I walked into work on a Tuesday morning and my boss called me into his office to tell me he was assigning more work to me because another co-worker gave his notice on Monday. (I had already had a conversation with my financial advisor a few months earlier and he said "I'll type your resignation letter if you want").
Anyways, I told my boss-"nope I'm not taking any more work and as of today, I'm giving you 12 weeks notice". It was 12 weeks because I had to stay until the end of the calandar year to get my 401K match. Never looked back and this was a company I had worked 43 years for. Not even a hand shake from the division VP, no cake, no "good luck". Fuck you.
Thanks for sharing and congrats! Any regret making the move? Were you scared? Are you enjoying retirement? Do you wish you would've done it sooner?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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How are you so sure? Are you ready to be disappointed?


What does it mean to own the color blue? Explain me the reference.
An old standup by Chris Rock, I cannot find a video with the specific line, but it comes after this one:
He goes on to say 'a wealthy person owns the color blue', or something to that effect.

It's a lot funnier if you know the reference
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
24,539
5,951
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How are you so sure? Are you ready to be disappointed?

my expenses are never more than 30$k a year, so it won't take much for me to retire

i figure throw in another 10$k/yr for healthcare, another 10$k/yr for family/misc expenses

50$k/yr at a %3 withdrawal rate is 1.67$ million
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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I'm going with a billion dollars. I'd want to be able to buy a Bugatti Chiron or a private jet without even having to wonder if I can afford a Bugatti Chiron or a private jet.

I will never get to that point in my lifetime.... I guess that I'm a man of moderate means and wealthy tastes.

I'd be OK with a million dollars in the bank when it's time to retire, though.
 
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ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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An old standup by Chris Rock, I cannot find a video with the specific line, but it comes after this one:
He goes on to say 'a wealthy person owns the color blue', or something to that effect.

It's a lot funnier if you know the reference

He's forgetting the "Oprah" factor. She's a multi-billionaire (and has been for over a decade now), which moves her past rich and into "wealthy" status.

Tiffany & Co actually owns a shade of blue, though, so the joke makes sense.
 
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ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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An old standup by Chris Rock, I cannot find a video with the specific line, but it comes after this one:
He goes on to say 'a wealthy person owns the color blue', or something to that effect.

It's a lot funnier if you know the reference
I heard that Shaq joke. I get it now.

my expenses are never more than 30$k a year, so it won't take much for me to retire

i figure throw in another 10$k/yr for healthcare, another 10$k/yr for family/misc expenses

50$k/yr at a %3 withdrawal rate is 1.67$ million
You have it down to day, time, and year. How are you so sure you'll have $1.67 million by then? Are you just stacking cash or are you invested in the market? If you're invested in the market, it can throw you a curveball and mess up even your best plans.

What if you can generate more than $50k/yr with just $1 million by taking little more risks? Would you say FU and retire years earlier with just $1 million? Or will try to hit that $1.67 million like you're trying for high score in a video game? At certain point, doesn't it just become numbers on the screen and more of a game to beat the previous high score?
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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You have it down to day, time, and year. How are you so sure you'll have $1.67 million by then? Are you just stacking cash or are you invested in the market? If you're invested in the market, it can throw you a curveball and mess up even your best plans.

i'm investing but pretty conservatively. no TSLA plays here
just whatever small percent it happens to be in the indexes. tilting to small/value is as fancy as i get. i have enough in international and bonds that people here would probably make fun of me.

What if you can generate more than $50k/yr with just $1 million by taking little more risks? Would you say FU and retire years earlier with just $1 million? Or will try to hit that $1.67 million like you're trying for high score in a video game?

well i don't even need my job at this point, the dividends and my side hustle income would cover all my expenses + taxes for the year

but i stay at the job for the benefits and to save as much i can as long as i can possibly stand it

At certain point, doesn't it just become numbers on the screen and more of a game to beat the previous high score?

that number might go up because of inflation, cost of living, etc. but there are no signs of me being anything but a boring, cheap single dude for the remainder of my life. so it's probably close to what i'll need.

and i have seen enough posts to know that whatever net worth i reach is less than madoka's bonus check. luckily i don't need to buy legos, let alone extra houses to store them.

i just want to be done with the 9-5 (or more like 9-9) crap.
 

Spacehead

Lifer
Jun 2, 2002
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50$k/yr at a %3 withdrawal rate is 1.67$ million
From reading your posts you seem more savvy than me on on financials, but it's (probably) not like that 1.67M is going to all of a sudden stop earning after retirement. So you might be able to retire before hitting that number.
You have a plan though, stick with it as long as it's do-able for you.

When I can replace my working incomes with investment income.
Pretty much this.

I don't need much, i'm pretty low maintanence. Everything i own is paid off except my car & i plan on always having a car payment.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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He's forgetting the "Oprah" factor. She's a multi-billionaire (and has been for over a decade now), which moves her past rich and into "wealthy" status.

Tiffany & Co actually owns a shade of blue, though, so the joke makes sense.
Hehe that clip was from '96 i think. Hilariously still relevant.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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it's (probably) not like that 1.67M is going to all of a sudden stop earning after retirement. So you might be able to retire before hitting that number.

yeah i have thought about risking it, %3 is ridiculously low from everything i have read. but i expect the future century returns to be worse than that past century returns.

it might all be for nothing if the stress ends up killing me before i can retire. but then the nieces and nephews will get a bunch of money for their college and whatever else. they'd probably make better use of it than i ever would.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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yeah i have thought about risking it, %3 is ridiculously low from everything i have read. but i expect the future century returns to be worse than that past century returns.

it might all be for nothing if the stress ends up killing me before i can retire. but then the nieces and nephews will get a bunch of money for their college and whatever else. they'd probably make better use of it than i ever would.
You guys need to learn about cash secured OTM put options. Forget dividends and holding risky dividend stocks. That's old school of thought. I'm not totally against dividend stocks but to me holding too much dividend stocks also carry risks I don't want. I rather play options and let Theta be my friend. How often do you see casinos lose money? You can have dividend like income stream writing and selling put options. Then you basically act as the House at the casino.
 

ViviTheMage

Lifer
Dec 12, 2002
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You guys need to learn about cash secured OTM put options. Forget dividends and holding risky dividend stocks. That's old school of thought. I'm not totally against dividend stocks but to me holding too much dividend stocks also carry risks I don't want. I rather play options and let Theta be my friend. How often do you see casinos lose money? You can have dividend like income stream writing and selling put options. Then you basically act as the House at the casino.

Playing options is a second job in itself, if you want to do it right and not lose your ass.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I think 1 mil I could do it. I would buy my dream bush property and build a nice cabin with big ass garage and other structures and live mostly off grid so costs of living would be super low and I'd have tons of room for hobby stuff. Probably hire lot of stuff out to make it faster, so end up spending maybe 100k on that. 10k for well, 10k for septic, probably a good 20k of landscaping related work, like 20k in materials... and probably other unforeseen things. Then my costs of living there would be near nothing, so the rest of the money would last a very long time. I would still want to monetize a hobby or something to still have some kind of income though as I still want fun money to buy things for projects and stuff.

Now if I was to stay where I live now, I if I consider costs of living going up every year I would need around 3 mil if I recall calculating before, but if I got a huge enough lump sum that I did not have to work I would not stay here. Even smaller cities about an hour from here are way cheaper to live in due to lower property taxes.That's my biggest expense here. With the bush properties though depending on area, the yearly tax rate is like 1/4th the monthly rate here.
 
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