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Perknose

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I'm in the incredibly lucrative field of Forum Directing. I make so much money, I have to pay someone else to count it. Also, I'm within one order of magnitude of 35 y/o, so I'm in the ballpark there, too.
 
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I see my older brother going through it right now, and I know how much work it really is. There's just no off button 24/7. Seeing that, I know wife and I should not keep working full time when it's our turn. So either we'll both cut back our hours, or I'll cut back significantly. This is because she runs her own business, so being out of work is going to be much harder on her/us later on, since it's very reputation based.

Yeah I'm just saying I thought the same thing too. Our kid was born premature by ~3 months. Wife had to take her maternity leave immediately - so basically when she was done with hers it was like the baby was 0 days old. Thankfully, my company provided me with 4 months of paternity leave that I could take right after my wife's was done. I thought it would be honest fun bonding time.... It isn't. Just giving the truth there.

Once they reach 1.5 - 3 is when you can start that stuff. Until then, it's just a never ending chore. If you aren't taking care of the baby (feeding them, changing them, making their bottles), then you're taking care of yourself (making breakfast, making lunch, doing laundry, cleaning up).
 

ultimatebob

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By ATOT brag standards, you should be making $150K a year, have a million dollars saved up in your 401k, have your own custom branded cryptocurrency, and be driving a either an M3 or a Mclaren.

By actual ATOT standards? I don't know... $20 bucks an hour?
 

BudAshes

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God doesn't let you into heaven unless you own a home and have 2.5 kids and make 250k + a year by 35. Just read the bible, it's in there somewhere.
 

Zeze

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140k yr nothing special for typical IT PM.

I drive a used hyundai
 
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my old honda drives fine, but i have recently been tempted by the subaru forester with its AWD and all the modern safety sensing features

Da Fuq you need AWD for? You going off roading or something?

I'll drive my Acura till the wheels fall off, even if my wife wants me to upgrade to an SUV for the kiddos.
 

brianmanahan

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Da Fuq you need AWD for? You going off roading or something?

I'll drive my Acura till the wheels fall off, even if my wife wants me to upgrade to an SUV for the kiddos.

driving 20 miles through a few inches of snow or slush during the winter. they don't really plow much out where i'm at.

i've never needed one though, always drove tiny hondas and been fine. just feeling the itch to get something nicer/safer for some reason. i should just take the money laying around and throw it in my vanguard account, then i won't be able to buy a car.
 

ultimatebob

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my old honda drives fine, but i have recently been tempted by the subaru forester with its AWD and all the modern safety sensing features

Yes, but do you have your own Brianmanahancoins, though? I'm telling ya... having your own custom branded cryptocurrency is new way of showing your techie friends that you're a true baller.

I guess that having some Coolcoin is the next best thing, but there is only one way to get some of that.
 
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driving 20 miles through a few inches of snow or slush during the winter. they don't really plow much out where i'm at.

i've never needed one though, always drove tiny hondas and been fine. just feeling the itch to get something nicer/safer for some reason. i should just take the money laying around and throw it in my vanguard account, then i won't be able to buy a car.


Ah gotcha. For some reason I always pictured you in a warmer state. What state do you live in if you don't mind me asking? OH? IL?

Also the terms "nicer" and "safer" with "Subaru" is an oxymoron in my book

I stick with Toyota or Honda... or their luxury brands (Lexus / Acura).
 

Red Squirrel

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driving 20 miles through a few inches of snow or slush during the winter. they don't really plow much out where i'm at.

i've never needed one though, always drove tiny hondas and been fine. just feeling the itch to get something nicer/safer for some reason. i should just take the money laying around and throw it in my vanguard account, then i won't be able to buy a car.

Save your money, even in our winters my 2004 Alero does fine. It's a little sketchy driving in the snow with summer tires though but once I put the winters on, it's not too bad. My old Buick Lesabre was better in the snow though, that car was a tank. Was driving through about 6 inches of snow once, practically plowing the road as it was early in the day so not a lot of traffic had went there yet, it was actually kind of funny since I was following some rutts in the road to help keep control, then I notice those rutts are starting to go in the other lane, then notice them going towards the ditch, then I see a car in the ditch with a police car and tow truck. Ok, change of plans, not following those rutts anymore. LOL.
 
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brianmanahan

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What state do you live in if you don't mind me asking? OH?

nailed it. lake effect isn't quite as bad as buffalo, but close.

Also the terms "nicer" and "safer" with "Subaru" is an oxymoron in my book

yah i'd heard that about early 2000's ones that i looked at in the past, just from a reliability standpoint.

eh, i always told myself i'd drive my current car for 12 years before i could get a new one. i'm halfway there, might as well stick with it for another 6 years. it's been good to me.
 
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nailed it. lake effect isn't quite as bad as buffalo, but close.

Eh those are just 2 states I've had to travel to for work...every....week.... So I guess lucky guess at the handful of states I've traveled to that I have to drive in snow.

In the case of OH it was Toledo. I kinda like the small town feel
 

DainBramaged

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Well, I'm probably not representative, but I'll respond.

I'm 35. I make $230k + partnership distributions. But that aside, it's not really about the job. Those go away. Investments don't. I'd take my investments any day over my job.
 

Kaido

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my old honda drives fine, but i have recently been tempted by the subaru forester with its AWD and all the modern safety sensing features

We're 2 years into our Subaru (Forester) with EyeSight & love it. We'll probably get rid of it at 300k miles.

Foresters in particular are kind of one of those things that isn't immediately or outwardly appealing, but after a month goes by & you quit noticing your car, you start appreciating the visibility, the adaptive cruise control in traffic, the ease of getting in & out of it, etc. I think it's wonderful in terms of actual utility & wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. I do think they could be cheaper, but you really do get what you pay for with them (resale value is also excellent!).
 

Perknose

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We're 2 years into our Subaru (Forester) with EyeSight & love it. We'll probably get rid of it at 300k miles.

Foresters in particular are kind of one of those things that isn't immediately or outwardly appealing, but after a month goes by & you quit noticing your car, you start appreciating the visibility, the adaptive cruise control in traffic, the ease of getting in & out of it, etc. I think it's wonderful in terms of actual utility & wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. I do think they could be cheaper, but you really do get what you pay for with them (resale value is also excellent!).

The visibility, YES! Seems like a small thing, but it means a lot to me, which is why I gravitate towards small "station wagons" . . . . for the "closest to 360 degree" visibility. You can't avoid what you can't see.

Subarus are the new Saabs/Volvos . . . the "thinking man's" conveyance!
 

ultimatebob

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You might have heard friends, parents or financial advisors at local banks advise you to follow the 50/30/20 rule. If you follow this rule, you’ll break up your income in the following manner:

No more than 50% of your income should go to required expenses, such as shelter or food.
No more than 30% can go towards the wants in life, such as your gym membership or cable.
The final 20% of your income should to towards savings, retirement and paying off debt.
Some experts explain it another way and recommend that your savings should equal your salary by age 35.

Still another way to approach savings is by using this guide from CNN Money. According to this, 35 year-olds should have saved the following, depending on their income:

Income Estimated Amount in Savings
$40,000 $60,000
$65,000 $97,500
$90,000 $135,000
$115,000 $172,500
However, this isn’t necessarily the case for many Americans, especially those with consumer debt or who didn’t get a job until later in their 20s. The savings goal at any age is simply to save so that you have an emergency fund, can pay off debt and are able to invest.

That sounds great in theory, but I probably have more like a 65/30/5 rule in my household. The cost of living where I live is really high... I'm not sure how people without six figure incomes can do it without government assistance.
 
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That sounds great in theory, but I probably have more like a 65/30/5 rule in my household. The cost of living where I live is really high... I'm not sure how people without six figure incomes can do it without government assistance.

5% to retirement? So basically you never want to retire?
 

DietDrThunder

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When I was 35 in 1997 I earned $75K as an embedded software engineer in the defense industry living in Texas.

U.S. Inflation Rate, $75,000 in 1997 to 2018
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index, the dollar experienced an average inflation rate of 2.17% per year. Prices in 2018 are 57.00% higher than prices in 1997.

In other words, $75,000 in 1997 is equivalent in purchasing power to $117,751.87 in 2018, a difference of $42,751.87 over 21 years.

The current inflation rate is now 2.87%1. If this number holds, $75,000 today will be equivalent to $77,153.66 next year. The current inflation ratepage gives more detail on the latest official inflation rates.

Inflation from 1997 to 2018
Cumulative price change 57.00%
Average inflation rate 2.17%
Converted amount ($75,000 base) $117,751.87
Price difference ($75,000 base) $42,751.87
CPI in 1997 160.5
CPI in 2018 251.989
 
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Red Squirrel

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5% to retirement? So basically you never want to retire?

I don't even put that much. Costs of living are too high and keep going up every year so there is less and less money at the end of a given month. Everything goes towards bills and taxes, then there's maybe a couple hundred bucks left over at the end of the month. I have been thinking about retirement lately though, the best option is to move somewhere off grid in an unorganized township (low taxes and can do what you want on your land) to eliminate as many bills as possible. Then whatever money I get from my work retirement package will go further. Ideally I'll want some kind of side gig while I'm retired, something online based. Maybe building small things and selling it or something, whatever hobby I decide to I can just turn it into money, at least to cover the few bills I will have like insurance and internet. I'll still want internet out there.

My only fear is more people are going to start getting this idea and the government is going to crack down on off grid living.
 
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I don't even put that much. Costs of living are too high and keep going up every year so there is less and less money at the end of a given month. Everything goes towards bills and taxes, then there's maybe a couple hundred bucks left over at the end of the month. I have been thinking about retirement lately though, the best option is to move somewhere off grid in an unorganized township (low taxes and can do what you want on your land) to eliminate as many bills as possible. Then whatever money I get from my work retirement package will go further. Ideally I'll want some kind of side gig while I'm retired, something online based. Maybe building small things and selling it or something, whatever hobby I decide to I can just turn it into money, at least to cover the few bills I will have like insurance and internet. I'll still want internet out there.

My only fear is more people are going to start getting this idea and the government is going to crack down on off grid living.
I guess that's why I never went high with my costs to begin. I'm very much in the upper middle class white collar pay class living in a blue collar neighborhood. I cut the cable cord, and constantly monitor my alarm, internet, cell, insurance, and energy bills. If they ever raise the price I immediately look at competition.

I try to live life below means as much as possible. I have an In law family that is exactly what I never want to be... the type that upgrade from a 65" TV to a 72" as if it was in anyway needed. It isn't. Game of thrones looks just as fine on my shit 42" plasma as does anything else.

And through things like that, it's why I have most of the mortgage paid off - and its why I can max out 2 401ks (18.5k ea), 2 IRAs (5.5k ea) , and an HSA (6.5k)... and still having leftovers for other investments.

But 5% for retirement is pretty scary, not going to lie. I love being able to count down the days of not having to deal with incompetent people.
 
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