"How old do you think the Earth is?" Marco Rubio: "I'm not a scientist, man."

yllus

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It's really unfortunate that Mr. Rubio couldn't gather the courage to risk offending the evangelical wing of the Republican Party by answering this with, "About 4 billion years old, obviously."

National Post - Sen. Marco Rubio sets sights on Republican bid for 2016, wants to make ‘poor people richer’

Rubio has an ever growing profile in the U.S. and with that profile comes greater scrutiny. Rubio faced a round of Twitter mockery Monday after he told GQ magazine he doesn’t think the Earth can have a recordable age.

GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?

Marco Rubio: I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.

In a 24-minute, campaign-style pitch to fellow Republicans, Rubio ticked through conservative goals while urging his party not to lose hope in the wake of Mitt Romney’s loss on Election Day. He said the results should not be taken as a rejection of Republicans’ views.

“We need to do a better job of going out and convincing our fellow Americans who perhaps don’t see things the way we do,” Rubio said.

At the center of that sales pitch: higher take-home pay for all Americans.

“The way to turn our economy around is not by making rich people poorer, it’s by making poor people richer,” Rubio said, criticizing President Barack Obama’s insistence that taxes for those making more than $250,000 increase as part of a deal to avoid pending automatic budget cuts and tax hikes.

Rubio also blamed Congress for that looming threat.

“Look at this fiscal cliff. I don’t know if any of you have heard about this,” Rubio said to chuckles. “You know who created that? Congress.”

Rubio, once considered a possible Romney running mate, is seen as a rising star among Republicans. Charismatic and youthful, the 41-year-old stands in sharp contrast to the 65-year-old Romney, who struggled to connect with voters.
 
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Jhhnn

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Pandering to Fundie-whacks? Say it ain't so!

Of course he's pandering to them- he's already running for president in 2016, and, as a Republican, he has to do that to win the primaries.
 

stormkroe

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Dear Lord in heaven YEC's need to stick to the plan. When you try to cram a 10,000 year old earth into science, you get A for effort, but you look like an idiot usually. Big Bang cosmology and a 14 billion year old universe fit nicely in the Genesis creation account. In fact, Big Bang creation is the only model that is consistent with all creation accounts in the Bible. It's generally old or old-fashioned Christians that hold to the 6 24-hour period creation account.
 

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Dear Lord in heaven YEC's need to stick to the plan. When you try to cram a 10,000 year old earth into science, you get A for effort, but you look like an idiot usually. Big Bang cosmology and a 14 billion year old universe fit nicely in the Genesis creation account. In fact, Big Bang creation is the only model that is consistent with all creation accounts in the Bible. It's generally old or old-fashioned Christians that hold to the 6 24-hour period creation account.

Mostly, but some have turned it into a litmus test. Thats not right. I guess I'm lucky I know mostly educated people.
 

stormkroe

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Mostly, but some have turned it into a litmus test. Thats not right. I guess I'm lucky I know mostly educated people.
Agree. Secondary issue that is obviously more important to some than others. I've been listening to LOTS of debates in the past week, and I'm just embarrassed by many of the YEC guys. When they get into a logic corner, they attack character or deflect. I'm totally fine with them believing what ever they want in that area, but they aren't usually happy to co-exist and label the 'day-age' proponents are heretics.
 

Jhhnn

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The six day creation myth was invented as a way to explain things to superstitious bronze age goat herders 5000 years ago. They couldn't possibly have known any better.

YEC theology panders to the same headset today among people who really should know better.
 

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"it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States"

Speaking as an evolutionary biologist, I agree with him that the age of the earth has little immediate/direct relevance to the economy of the US. That said, fluency in basic scientific thinking, like scientific methods, data generation and analysis, etc. are absolutely very important to the economy of the US. Rubio might be interested to know that the calculations that give us estimates of the earth's age are extremely similar to many financial calculations. Then again, he might not be - he doesn't strike me as a curious person.
 

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If you can believe in humans & dinosaurs existing together, then you can be made to believe in anything, including trickledown economics...
 

stormkroe

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The six day creation myth was invented as a way to explain things to superstitious bronze age goat herders 5000 years ago. They couldn't possibly have known any better.

YEC theology panders to the same headset today among people who really should know better.

It actually wasn't even much spoken about before technology was able to disprove the english translation of 'yom' as '24 hour day'. Hebrew has a tiny vocabulary, and translators (1611 King James maybe?) chose one of the 4 definitions of 'yom' that made sense to their goat-powered-economy minds.
 

buckshot24

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Is this the new rape gotcha? What he believes about this isn't relevant to his job.
 

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Well God created everthing in 6 days , Now the last thing he created was man. All this in six days . Now it really doesn't say How long a god day is to man . But God does asign man to one day. That 1 day is what we call 1,000 years. But thats Man day. God does not asign a day to creation as measured. Thats what they say according to Moses. Befor the flood and creation itself those stories are older than the hebrew text.It is written in stone and clay tablets . The eden story the flood all of it. Moses had access to all the knowledge that was kept . Even Amon/ Amun /Amen Ra. A mono Egyptian God who also was 3 differant gods. A concept later adopted by christians threw Rome. Hebrew and Roman(Greek) mythology can be traced directly back to Egyptian .
I don't know how old it is. Its what ever the authorities say . I don't think God really measures time. Man does. Time was meant for man. The beast is driven by nature
 

stormkroe

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If you can believe in humans & dinosaurs existing together, then you can be made to believe in anything, including trickledown economics...

That's just one of the many things that people like Keith Hamm, Kent Hovind, and Jason Lisle have hitched themselves to. If they're going to do this whole 'white hole' thing to (poorly) explain how we can see things 14 billion light years away that are only 10 thousand years old, they have to face the biological ramifications too.
I got Kent Hovind's dissertation from wikileaks, PM if you want a dose of crazy.
 

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Rubio faces big challenges. Democrats have consistently gained voters in Florida while Republicans have lost them.
Rick Scott has the lowest approval rating of any Governor.
By the time Rubio comes up for re-election in 2017 he will face a very different Florida electorate, probably solidly blue.

One and done for Rubio in the Senate.
 

buckshot24

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Rubio faces big challenges. Democrats have consistently gained voters in Florida while Republicans have lost them.
Rick Scott has the lowest approval rating of any Governor.
By the time Rubio comes up for re-election in 2017 he will face a very different Florida electorate, probably solidly blue.

One and done for Rubio in the Senate.
He'll probably run for president in 2016.
 

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seems obvious to me that he's not dumb but doesn't want to offend extremists Christians.

the overwhelmingly vast majority of Christians do not believe that the world was literally created in 7 days, but a politician's gotta do what a politician's gotta do.
 

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"it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States"

Speaking as an evolutionary biologist, I agree with him that the age of the earth has little immediate/direct relevance to the economy of the US. That said, fluency in basic scientific thinking, like scientific methods, data generation and analysis, etc. are absolutely very important to the economy of the US. Rubio might be interested to know that the calculations that give us estimates of the earth's age are extremely similar to many financial calculations. Then again, he might not be - he doesn't strike me as a curious person.

As usual I agree. While it may not be directly related to a politicians duties, failing to acquire a basic grasp of where we are in scientific terms is hardly wise, and more disturbingly Roubini seems to have an attitude of a willfully ignorant person. If major scientific findings are dismissed as irrelevant or inconsequential, what else does he choose to be ignorant of?

Seems a damned foolish mindset.
 

techs

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Rubio faces big challenges. Democrats have consistently gained voters in Florida while Republicans have lost them.
Rick Scott has the lowest approval rating of any Governor.
By the time Rubio comes up for re-election in 2017 he will face a very different Florida electorate, probably solidly blue.

One and done for Rubio in the Senate.

He'll probably run for president in 2016.

He can run all he wants. He doesn't just not stand a chance, but if he really tries to win the nomination he will kill himself in Florida.

In other words, for him to really try and win the nomination he will have to run so far right he won't be re-elected in Florida.
And he doesn't stand a chance to get the nomination.
He may just run as a moderate to help himself win in Florida after he loses for the Presidential nomination
 

Jhhnn

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\and I won't...
\\and quit whining when Mr. Rubio's set of ideas and values are brought to light..

I don't think Rubio believes any of that, and he was very careful not to say he does. He was, nonetheless, careful to grant such views legitimacy, which is what he must do as a Republican to maintain his office or become their presidential candidate in 2016.

The big problem with it is that, as Prez, he'll need to give concessions to the people who put him there, inviting more travesties like the Bush Admin's preferential hiring of Fundie lawyers & appointment of Fundie judges, plus the support of Fundie organizations getting money to run head start daycare centers... not to mention govt promotion of abstinence only sex ed...

Repub politicians have a long history of "gifting" their Fundie supporters.
 

lotus503

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Is this the new rape gotcha? What he believes about this isn't relevant to his job.

Sure it is, do you want someone that legitimately believes Santa clause rides around once a year going down chimneys and putting presents under the tree dictating public policy?

Same thing
 
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