How old were you when you lost your virginity?

[EpsiIon]

First of all. Viper GTS: Thanks for backing me up. I appreciate it, even if your motives aren't in any way shape or form related to mine.

The rest of you:
You still aren't hearing me. You just bring up the same points again and again, and ignore my valid arguments. Like what about WHEN PROTECTION DOES FAIL? And HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU WILL NEVER BREAK UP? I'm not saying you will; I don't know you. But how do you know? Answer: you only think you know. The same goes FOR ME.

Sorry, I didn't want this to turn into a flame war. It still doesn't have to; toolgirl has made some valid points that I feel I've responded to. The others I've generally felt are flawed. If you feel otherwise, tell me why. But please, say something new. I'll try to do the same.

Otherwise, it just turns into: "Is so!" "Nuh uh!" "Uh huh!" "Nuh uh!", etc.


Windogg:
Thanks for taking the time to flame me for trying to keep from offending anybody. And just because I'm a Junior Member doesn't mean I don't know forums.

I may not be an expert in them, but I have a pretty good feel for them, I think.


Epsilon

 

[Viper GTS]

EpsiIon...

You might be surprised where my motives come from. There is a fair amount of religous background in the mix, but that's just not my primary reason for waiting. Trust me, you won't get very far arguing a religous belief here, you'll get a lot more respect by simply stating "This is my belief, this is what I'm going to do. You don't have to like it, you don't have to like me. But that's still my belief." Another thing, you'll get a lot more respect if you turn on your profile & allow PM's.

Viper GTS

 

[Mday]

still a virgin ={}

i'm 20, going to be 21 in a few weeks.

 

[EpsiIon]

Hey Viper:

Just goes to show how new I am to these forums, but uh... what are you talking about? lol, that sounds stupid, I know, but I honestly don't know what you're referring to when you say "enable my profile" or "PMs."

And don't flame me for being an Anandtech Forum Newbie, at least I'll admit it, right?

 

[Napalm381]

<< Does one have to be in a relationship to develop some standards as to what he wants from a relationship? >>

No, but suffice to say what he wants from a relationship will most likely change once he actually has one.


<< and ignore my valid arguments >>

Your arguements are NOT valid for me any my situation, or Windogg's, or Toolgirl's, or many other peoples. What, 99.9 percent effectiveness isn't good enough for you?

 

[Regine]

Go up to the profile link. There you can enable those things.

 

[Napalm381]

Click the &quot;Profile&quot; button up top. You can probably figger it out from there.

 

[Viper GTS]

What, 99.9 percent effectiveness isn't good enough for you?

Forgive me for asking such a personal question, but how often do you have sex in a year? 99.9% effectiveness is 1 in 1000 odds that pregnancy will result.

EpsiIon...

I haven't flamed you, I've been supporting you here... Remember? Anyway, as far as enabling PM's &amp; your profile, as others have mentioned, go to profile up above. Put check marks in the following boxes:

Profile Visibility
E-Mail Visibility (this one's optional, if you plan on sticking around you might as well)
Allow private messages

People who leave all those disabled tend to be viewed as trolls.

Viper GTS

 

[Varborta]

21 and not yet where are you Ms. ?

 

[Napalm381]

<< but how often do you have sex in a year? >>

I would roughly estimate 3 times a week for 9 months a year (we live with our parents during winter/summer vacation). You do the math. In addition, you don't have to have penetration to have sex

 

[Soybomb]

Epsilon you still haven't adressed me! What happens if we break up? We loved each other, it was fun, special, loving, etc. People change though so whats the shame in spending years with someone, eventually becoming different people than you first were and then breaking up? Why is sex in that instance shameful? You loved the person at the time and they presumably loved you. You're trying to tell me that someone should only have 1 partner in their entire life. Why other than religious belief is this necessary?

What about when protection fails? I see three options abortion, raise the child and make your own personal sacrifices, or consider an abortion. I like to think I'll never have to worry about it, but at the moment I would try to talk my g/f out of abortion for the emotional trauma involved, not becuase I think its murder or a higher religious belief. Besides the chances of it becomining an issue are quite quite small. Do you not drive for fear of being killed in a car accident?

Click &quot;profile&quot; in the top right toolbar on the screen to allow private messages and your profile to be viewed!

 

[VoodooExtreme]

18 and PROUD of it

 

[Windogg]

Pill + Condom = 99.9999%+

As for the answer. I would guess a minimum of 150 times a year. The 1 week record was 22 times back in college when we had a lot more time on our hands. So far so good.

Windogg

 

[EpsiIon]

No, Napalm, I'm sorry. But 99.9% is NOT good enough for me. I assume you don't want your girlfriend to love you with &quot;only&quot; 99.9% of her heart. Neither do I. And I don't want that .1% chance of having a child out of wedlock. Now, let's both get off the effectiveness of contraceptives issue, shall we? Neither one of us is going to move.

Oh, and sorry. I should say: Sex is about love AND marriage, or at least I think it should be. You may disagree, but then again, everything you say is wrong, so that doesn't matter. lol JUST KIDDING.

Windogg:
No, human beings are NOT animals. Just like if I call you a stupid a**, it doesn't make you a stupid a**.

Our beliefs here are fundamentally different, so there really isn't a point in arguing them beyond that.

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Like toolgirl said, combining birth control methods make it pretty much impossible to have an accident. My girlfriend and I use both the pill and condoms to protect against any accidents. Out annual physicals have came back clean for the last 3 years and we are monogomous.

There goes your disease and unwanted pregnancy argument
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No, I've already smacked your side of that argument down two or three times. lol Reiteration: 99.9% is NOT good enough for ME.

BTW, that was a joke. Stating my opinion is hardly &quot;smacking your side of the argument down,&quot; I know.



So, what other valid arguments have I not intelligently responded to? (And leave my sense of humor out of this. )

Epsilon

 

[Soybomb]

Wow 22 times in a week..the best I've had was like 7 times in a weekend hehe.



<< Forgive me for asking such a personal question, but how often do you have sex in a year? 99.9% effectiveness is 1 in 1000 odds that pregnancy >>


There is a problem with that viper, its not cumulative! Its like if you play the lottery every week your chances of winning dont increase alot by the time you're 80 and broke

edit: what makes us different from any other animal epsilon?
/me looks at himself.....am I invisible here? respond to my posts

 

[WoundedWallet]

GeeeeezWizzz, there is so much hang up on this thread that could put Queen Victoria's court in shame.

No wonder we can show people killing each other on tv but not people having sex. Maybe the next poll should be: How old were you when you punched somebody else? I bet it wouldn't be half as controversial.

What is so wrong about having sex?

- Pregnancy? There are very good ways to avoid that. I testify.
- Too much intimacy? We all would be less violent if we had more of it.
- Beliefs? We once believed the earth was the center of the universe. (Thanks God he told the Catholic church that wasn't so a few years ago.)
- Diseases? There are probably more people getting sick from handling money than from handling each other's genitalia.
- Commitment? How can you commit to something you haven't tested before? That's called gambling.(Which by the way is not as big of a taboo as sex is in our society.)

Now what's so good about having sex?

- Sex makes you smile.
- Sex makes you relax.
- Sex makes you peaceful.
- and just as important... [/b]SEX IS NOT VIOLENCE

Get it?

 

[Regine]

99.9 percent of the pill being effective plus a condom being 90% effective that's only a .0001% percent chance of actually getting pregnant. Therefore both combined is more effective than 99.9%

Second, Napalm and I love each other with 100% of our hearts. I know you won't believe it, but out relationship won't end by either of us breaking up with the other one.

 

[Napalm381]

Like it or not Epsilon you do a lot of things in life that don't have 99.9 percent safety. Do you drive? How often? How bout fly in planes? Cross the street? Our whole life is all about probabilities. There is no such thing as 100 percent certainty. Somewhere you have to draw the line. 99.9 percent is a pretty good line to me.

Human beings ARE animals. Check out the DNA similarities between man and chimps. You're tellin me we don't have something in common with them? Get a clue.

 

[Viper GTS]

Soybomb...

I know it's not cumulative, I'm not quite that dumb. But ~150 attempts a year carries a lot higher odds of getting pregnant than one attempt a year. Abstinence carries a precisely 0% chance of getting pregnant.

Toolgirl...

I know the odds combined are practically nil, using your numbers it's one in 10,000. I was using his numbers, though.

Second, Napalm and I love each other with 100% of our hearts. I know you won't believe it, but out relationship won't end by either of us breaking up with the other one.

I'm not questioning that in the slightest. I've watched the two of you, how you interact with each other, &amp; how you talk about each other. As good as it may be for you, though, it's not for me.

Napalm...

There is no such thing as 100 percent certainty.

Wanna bet? I am 100% certain that Sarah will not get pregnant before we're married, as long as we stick to our agreed upon standards.

Viper GTS

 

[Muerto]

19 and still waiting.

 

[Napalm381]

<< Abstinence carries a precisely 0% chance of getting pregnant. >>

Not if you go swimming!

 

[EpsiIon]

Soybomb:
Your first point is a good, valid one that I hope we can agree to disagree on. You're right, there really is no reason (that I can think of) besides a religious one that sex is shameful in that situation. Don't get me wrong. I don't believe sex is shameful in a marriage.

My religion tells me that having sex outside of marriage is morally wrong. Common sense tells me that it is dangerous in more ways than one. There is no argument against the first one, other than my religion isn't true. But I don't believe that, so we'll have to disagree. Common sense, however, is what I'm arguing here.

I believe logical people will not risk ANYBODY'S life or well-being for the sake of an orgasm and &quot;deepened relationship&quot; with another. It's irresponsible, in my opinion.

Epsilon

 

[Windogg]

Yes like others have pointed out (I was trying to posted but the forums were acting up). 99.99% is NOT cumulative if it were, I will be dead in 150,000 miles of driving since there are 3 deaths per million miles driven or 1 in 333,333.

 

[Regine]

Even abstinence isn't completely 100% safe. If your semen has any contact with her body/panties, there is a slight chance of her getting pregnant.

 

[Windogg]

Epi, if you think sex is only about an orgasm then I weep for the person you marry.