How old were you when you lost your virginity?

[Regine]

Amen, Windogg

There are plenty of times when we do not have an orgasm but still feel fulfilled simply because of the closeness and intimacy that can be felt by having sex.

 

[Viper GTS]

Napalm...

Not if you go swimming!

We won't be doing that.

Toolgirl...

Even abstinence isn't completely 100% safe. If your semen has any contact with her body/panties, there is a slight chance of her getting pregnant.

Considering I've never even kissed her on the mouth, I don't think that's something we need to worry about. When I say "abstinence," I don't only mean in the technical definition (lack of penetration). I mean abstinence from everything. No sexual activity whatsoever.

Windogg...

Yes like others have pointed out (I was trying to posted but the forums were acting up). 99.99% is NOT cumulative if it were, I will be dead in 150,000 miles of driving since there are 3 deaths per million miles driven or 1 in 333,333.

As I stated before, you're right... It's not cumulative. But if you drive 15,000 miles a year your odds of being in an accident are greater than the little old lady on the corner who drives two blocks to the store every weekend.

Viper GTS

 

[Windogg]

Yes Viper, but there are ways to reduce the risk.

Condom = Driving Defensively
Pill = BMW X5 (Safest vehicle according to the IIHS 45MPH offset crash)

Windogg

 

[Napalm381]

<< Wanna bet? I am 100% certain that Sarah will not get pregnant before we're married, as long as we stick to our agreed upon standards. >>

BUT you do not have 100 percent certainty that you will abide by those standards! 0.0000000001 probability is STILL a chance, slim as it may be.

<< I believe logical people will not risk ANYBODY'S life or well-being for the sake of an orgasm and &quot;deepened relationship&quot; with another. It's irresponsible, in my opinion. >>

Our lifes and well being are not in danger from our love making. Odds of pregnancy for her are extremely slim (I am not going to give details, but trust me ) Odds of STDs: effectively zero as I stated before. Neither one of us has sex with other people, so STDs are a moot point. We love each other, that's enough for me. What dangers do we face again? Your logic is weak.

 

[Viper GTS]

Windogg...

Reduce? Yes.

Completely eliminate? No.

And that is the point which Epsilon is trying to make. He's not satisfied with less than perfect odds, &amp; neither am I.

Napalm...

Do I have 100% certainty in myself? Yes. I only see her twice a year, &amp; when we do see each other we are around our respective parents. Nothing will happen.

Viper GTS

 

[EpsiIon]

Lol, toolgirl. Then *I* wouldn't call that abstinence. True abstinence remains the only 100% safe method.

Windogg:
Sorry, I must not have made myself clear. I don't believe sex can truly become about something greater until after marriage.

There. Now everybody's been responded to and I've enabled PMs ( I'm getting the hang of this already! lol) and PV, but not e-mail. Sorry, but I don't want to have to deal with anybody's e-mail when they can just leave a private message.

Anyway, now I'm going to bed. Goodnight.

Epsilon

 

[Windogg]

Well, my whole point is, it's your life, do what you want. Nothing against Viper because he is not pushing his view upon me. Ole epi on the other hand is basically calling everyone &quot;immoral&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot; because we don't believe in his bible thumping dogma. As I said before, a simple, &quot;I'm waiting for marriage because of religious reasons&quot; would have made your point in a repectable way.

Windogg

 

[Napalm381]

<< Do I have 100% certainty in myself? Yes. I only see her twice a year, &amp; when we do see each other we are around our respective parents. Nothing will happen. >>

Once again, you cannot GUARANTEE that one hundred percent. Something COULD happen. It may be the same odds that you will get struck down my a meteorite, but the odds are there. Certainty does not exist in the real world, deal with it.

 

[mztykal]

14, next question...


-MzTyKaL

 

[Regine]

EpsIon - one thing you need to learn is that virginity, politics, abortion, and religion can bring up some pretty heated arguments on this forum.
You managed to tie them all into posts, Congrats
Welcome to the forums, enjoy your stay

 

[Viper GTS]

Once again, you cannot GUARANTEE that one hundred percent. Something COULD happen. It may be the same odds that you will get struck down my a meteorite, but the odds are there. Certainty does not exist in the real world, deal with it.

OK, I will concede that it may not be trully 100% certainty. If you will concede that the odds of me being struck down by a meteorite are much slimmer than one in 10,000. I may not be able to guarantee that without a doubt, but why would I increase my odds unnecessarily? That'd be the equivalent of walking around with a red target on your head with a big billboard reading &quot;Come here, little meteorite.&quot;

And with that thought, &amp; a goofy no-sleep smile brought on by the mental image of me walking around with a billboard on my head, I'm going to bed.

I'll be back bright &amp; early tomorrow morning, though. G'Night all.

Viper GTS

 

[Regine]

I dont' think meteorites can read

 

[Drachnyan]

19... Young enough to want to, old enough to not regret it. We did part ways eventually (read: break up) we still talk and we're quite happy as friends.

Sex is a wonderful act that implies absolute trust with someone, it is a natural thing that isn't dirty, nor unwholesome. Situations that you may never have, may explain why the ages vary so. Judge people not on how they live their lives, their lives are not yours, so who are you to judge them?


FYI: The Failure Rate as projected (depending on your source) is Failures per YEAR of average use. (Changes the outlook don't it )

 

[trmiv]

EpsiIon:


<< No, human beings are NOT animals. Just like if I call you a stupid a**, it doesn't make you a stupid a**. >>



Huh????? You want to run that one by us again?

 

[Napalm381]

<< He's not satisfied with less than perfect odds, &amp; neither am I. >>

By that measure you guys will never get any

 

[Regine]

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[EpsiIon]

Wow, didn't see all those other posts. Lol Napalm, you proved my point in your last post (where you talked about probability and dangers). There is still a danger of pregnancy, unless her tubes are tied or you have a vesectomy. Even then, sometimes people still get pregnant. Maybe now you won't keep saying the same thing to me over and over and over and over and over and ...whoops! Sorry, I was falling asleep there. j/k


Soybomb:

Sorry, I don't mean to ignore you or anything. It's just that you aren't flaming me as much as the others, so you sort of fade into the background of my conciousness.

Humans aren't animals because animals aren't sentient. Some may be darn close, but they still don't quite qualify.

Besides that, the Bible says that man shall have dominion over all the beasts of this world. Haha, now the only way to argue is to say you don't disagree with my perspective, but we've already established that. Now I truly AM going to bed.

Good night,
Epsilon

PS - One last thing: Viper, earlier you seemed to think I told you not to flame me. My mistake. I was actually talking to those who populate the forum as a whole.

PPS - Sorry. Just wanted to say that I'm glad I finally found a forum where the majority of people aren't complete llamas. Nobody flamed me for not knowing about PMs and profile viewing... That's amazing! lol

 

[Napalm381]

<< . Lol Napalm, you proved my point in your last post >>

No, I proved my point. Where do you draw the line? What IS good enough for you? 99.99 percent? 99.999999 percent? You stated in an above post that 99.9 percent isn't. What is? Answer the question. How do you even distinguish between those probabilities realistically? Is that .001 or whatever worth denying yourself something that could be very good and very meaningful? I know that it is not certain, but the level of certainty is high enough for me to discard the alternative as a reasonable outcome. I know that for all intensive purposes Viper and his g/f will not do anything before they get married...but when he said &quot;Wanna bet?&quot; I took his offer

BTW, man IS an animal. Deal with it. Apparently DNA and other evidence means nothing to you. Oh well, another ignorant anti-evolutionist.

 

[EpsiIon]

CRAP!! You people! I want to go to bed!!

Windogg:

You aren't getting it (I'm *not forcing* my opinions on you. I'm just *sharing* them. If you don't want to read them, go to a different thread, or just skip them. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE.).

I'm sorry but you seem to be among those who believe that all Christians are closedminded elitists. I'm sorry if I ever seemed that way to you, but I'm too tired to argue with you about that now.


Other Guy Who Asked Me to Run the Stupid A** Thing By Him Again:

You can classify human beings as animals, but I don't believe that MAKES them animals. Just like calling you names doesn't make you the names I call you. Comprendes?

Good NIGHT!
Epsilon

 

[Weyoun]

I'm 16, and dont want it to happen with the wrong person, it just means too much to me, im sure u guys understand U guys also have a lot more experience than me with life in general, so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

BTW, just a question, but I feel very strongly for a girl at school, she also happens to be leaving the country in 3 weeks, which will probably destroy the last shreds of sanity that i have left. Anyways, do you guys really think i ought to let her know how i feel? Basically last week i couldn't talk to or see her, and i broke down crying 3 times. there is absolutely nothing in this world i wouldn't do for her.

anyways, just curious, so perhaps i dont ahve to do so much guesswork when living 'reality'

 

[EpsiIon]

Napalm-

You don't have enough background information on Christianity to say I'm merely an anti-evolutionist. Besides, there's no CONCRETE evidence in the fossil record to PROVE that macro-evolution takes place. This has been said by several evolutionists who devoted their entire lives to the study of evolution. Unfortunately I don't have the references, or maybe you'd leave me alone about this. Then again, maybe not...

99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% isn't good enough for me when we're talking about pregnancy. There, I narrowed it down.
Transportation is inherently different. I don't remember your other points, but they probably make sense. Answer: The ways of this world are not the ways of God. Pretty broad and escape-istic, but it all makes sense when the big picture includes God. That's why you can never argue a stubborn Christian down about these topics; they can always make biblical references. And it always makes sense. Bottom line: Either Christianity is true and every point it makes is valid, or none of it is true and we're all deluded fringe-people. One or the other, no in-betweens.

But I had a &quot;no sex before marriage&quot; ideal even before I became a Christian, so I'm still trying to argue on a level that might change your mind, not just piss you off.

Epsilon

Bye Bye rexbo wannabe.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[Bling Bling]

how well do you know her?

 

[Stallion]

I was 21 and it was my birthday, it wasn't as big of a deal as I thought it would be.

Now that I'm Married though, it's awesome.

 

[trmiv]

Human beings are classified as animals, this is more than simple namecalling. From Encarta



<< Homo sapiens is identified, for purposes of classification, as an animal (kingdom Animalia) with a backbone (phylum Chordata) and segmented spinal cord (subphylum Vertebrata) that suckles its young (class Mammalia); that gestates its young with the aid of a placenta (subclass Eutheria); that is equipped with five-digited extremities, a collarbone, and a single pair of mammary glands on the chest (order Primates); and that has eyes at the front of the head, stereoscopic vision, and a proportionately large brain (suborder Anthropoidea). The species belongs to the family Hominidae.... >>



Now, while humans have traits that distinguish them from other animals, we are still classified as animals.

 

[WoundedWallet]

<< Humans aren't animals because animals aren't sentient. >>

&quot;Fallacies of Relevance.
1. Argument Ad Ignorantiam.
The argument from ignorance is the mistake that is committed when it is argued that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false, or that it is false because it has not been proved true.

Famous in the history of science is the argument ad ignorantiam given in criticism of Galileo, when he showed the leading astronomers of his time the mountains and valleys on the moon that could be seen through his telescope. Some scholars of that age, absolutely convinced that the moon was a perfect sphere, as theology and Aristotelian science had long taught, argued against Galileo that, although we see what appear to be mountains and valleys, the moon is in fact a perfect sphere, because all its apparent irregularities are filled in by an invisible crystalline substance.&quot;

Poor Galileo, it took 500 years to prove their argument was fallacious.

It will probably take another 500 years to prove that MAN IS NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. And that sex is good.

BTW. I started 28 years ago when I was 13. And I have no regrets, only good memories....

Now that I'm married, I don't wonder about what sex with other people is like. Based on experience, I know that my wife is the best partner for me.

I wonder how many Jim Bakers around wish they could feel the same way.