How Samsung stole Apple's lead

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This is going to degenerate into another "perfect size" thread.

I'm happy with the 4.3" screen on my GS2, it's a great size for a phone. I find myself sometimes wishing for something bigger but the GS2's size doesn't force me to make any compromises.
 

QueBert

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size isn't the reason here, I'm not saying that a lot of people don't want bigger phones. But Samsung released more phones, and because of that they've sold more phones.
 

AstroManLuca

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size isn't the reason here, I'm not saying that a lot of people don't want bigger phones. But Samsung released more phones, and because of that they've sold more phones.

I don't think that's a valid argument. Look at all the problems GM ran into when they had a zillion different makes and models. Just releasing more variations of the same thing doesn't equal larger sales; if it did, every company would be doing it. There's a certain level of sales the market will bear and it doesn't matter if you make 30 different models or 3.

Without trying to push this more towards another flame-fest, I'd say larger screens is probably Android's biggest edge over iOS. Plus, now that a ton of people have gotten used to large screens, it'll be hard to convince them to go backwards and get a smaller screen.
 

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size isn't the reason here, I'm not saying that a lot of people don't want bigger phones. But Samsung released more phones, and because of that they've sold more phones.

Sure but their bigger offerings are the ones getting all the hoopla and press, and are generally the ones people are buying.
 

QueBert

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I don't think that's a valid argument. Look at all the problems GM ran into when they had a zillion different makes and models. Just releasing more variations of the same thing doesn't equal larger sales; if it did, every company would be doing it. There's a certain level of sales the market will bear and it doesn't matter if you make 30 different models or 3.

Without trying to push this more towards another flame-fest, I'd say larger screens is probably Android's biggest edge over iOS. Plus, now that a ton of people have gotten used to large screens, it'll be hard to convince them to go backwards and get a smaller screen.

If it was that simple HTC should be selling a ton of phones too. And the single biggest selling phone is the iPhone 4S, last numbers I saw the 3gs was still out selling any single Android phone. That could have changed, but this was a few months ago when there were plenty of big ass screened phones.
 

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size isn't the reason here, I'm not saying that a lot of people don't want bigger phones. But Samsung released more phones, and because of that they've sold more phones.
Motorola has made so many failed phones, and they still do so. One of reasons is they release one every month, and they fail to advertise and support older phones when new one comes out.

All companies wish that they can have 1yr cycle like Apple does, but problem with it is competition is not standing still. This is finally biting Apple, as they really have 18 mos old phone on market now, while Samsung has something fresh and new.
 

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I don't think that's a valid argument. Look at all the problems GM ran into when they had a zillion different makes and models. Just releasing more variations of the same thing doesn't equal larger sales; if it did, every company would be doing it. There's a certain level of sales the market will bear and it doesn't matter if you make 30 different models or 3.

The difference is that Apple only makes one size. Even if someone is absolutely in love with iOS, they may have an actual need for a larger screen (poor vision, larger hands, etc.) and for some people that may prevent them from getting an iPhone.

For almost every other product that they make, Apple offers a variety of different models. The most notable are their portable and iMac lines, where you can choose among different screen sizes. The only difference between iPhone models is internal storage.

Rumors have them moving to a larger screen size, which may help alleviate some of the problems that they're experiencing, but it's unlikely that they'll release two models of the iPhone with different screen sizes, opting instead of just use their older models to maintain the smaller screen size.

There are also a lot of rumors about Apple releasing a smaller iPad, which again shows that it's really difficult to completely dominate a market with only a single (I realize that there are six models of the iPad, but the only difference is internal storage, and cellular connectivity. However, limiting themselves to those being their only configuration options, precludes them from reaching certain market segments) model. The obviously recognize the important of having multiple offerings to cover as much of the market as possible, so the obvious question is why aren't they doing this with the iPhone?

My best guess is that they've been trying, but they haven't yet found a solution that allows them to make a larger device that they view as acceptable. Eventually they might hit on something that works, and we might see a larger variety (in terms of size) in the iPhone, but until they solve that, they're going to have to accept that they'll miss out on some sales.
 

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doesn't samsung steal apple's lead every quarter before the new iphone comes out?
 

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doesn't samsung steal apple's lead every quarter before the new iphone comes out?
No. Q1 2012 was the first time they ever outsold Apple. In Q2, they outsold Apple by 20 million units.
 

Dari

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I don't think that's a valid argument. Look at all the problems GM ran into when they had a zillion different makes and models. Just releasing more variations of the same thing doesn't equal larger sales; if it did, every company would be doing it. There's a certain level of sales the market will bear and it doesn't matter if you make 30 different models or 3.

Without trying to push this more towards another flame-fest, I'd say larger screens is probably Android's biggest edge over iOS. Plus, now that a ton of people have gotten used to large screens, it'll be hard to convince them to go backwards and get a smaller screen.

Samsung has a far better distribution network for their awful phones. Logistics matters and they got that part right, at least.
 

Dulanic

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Samsung has a far better distribution network for their awful phones. Logistics matters and they got that part right, at least.

I forgot about that requirement to be one of the top selling phones... being awful. They should advertise that.
 

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Samsung is in the lead because of having a higher frequency of new phones. Apple is on a longer release cycle.

People want larger screens, but that's not the reason why Samsung is winning.

People hold off before every iPhone release. When the 4S was launched, Android lost marketshare.
 

s44

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The piece isn't about sales figures, though Samsung is making piles of money now of course.

It's about pushing/trying innovative form factors. Not sure if the OG Tab came before or after the Nook Color, but they definitely had a big hand in the 7" tablet size for Android.
 
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Times are changing IMO. I think it'll soon be like Mac (iPhone) vs (Android) PC. Where the PC dominates and the Mac has a niche but very profitable market. Fact is people like being in more control of their OS and apple just doesn't allow that. Now more people are finding out that Android is not the buggy crash fest it was once was.
 

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Samsung is selling well because they are successful in making their galaxy s series to be considered by the masses as one of the best phones if not the best out there. That reputation trickles throughout their lineup.
 

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The GS3 is being advertised really well, I went to a wedding over the weekend and a lot of people knew what it was and wanted to check it out. Everyone I let look at it was pretty impressed too.
 

Dari

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I forgot about that requirement to be one of the top selling phones... being awful. They should advertise that.

A requirement is marketing the hell out of it. People will notice. It doesn't have to be good. This is obvious.
 

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Lets not forget Samsung is a huge company that actually makes things like SAMOLED screens, UHS micro sd cards, and chip components whereas Apple is just an integrator. This means samsung can be more nimble and innovate in their designs because they're less beholden to other component suppliers.
 

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Lets not forget Samsung is a huge company that actually makes things like SAMOLED screens, UHS micro sd cards, and chip components whereas Apple is just an integrator. This means samsung can be more nimble and innovate in their designs because they're less beholden to other component suppliers.

They can become beholden to themselves though. Look how Sony fell apart after they acquired content companies and those portions of the company started dictating terms.

I don't think it would become quite that bad, but it does mean that Samsung will be more likely to depend on in-house solutions and parts, which could be detrimental if their competitors ever gain a lead.
 
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