How shameful is living at home for a man at what age?

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Insomniator

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And you must live in the sticks. A single bedroom apartment in a bad neighborhood around here goes for $1,500.00/mo. If you want a 2 bedroom in a neighborhood where you aren't likely to get shot walking to your car, that's about $2,200.00/mo. MIN.
So, if you have a family of 4 living around LA, then you need about 80k/yr to survive in a 2 bedroom apartment. Good luck.

I have heard of business owners in other states wanting to move to LA proper and buy a decent house comparable to their modest home in their current state. They make an average of 500k/yr and they couldn't afford to move. The houses they wanted (nothing amazing really) were like 5 million and taxes would have murdered them if the thugs didn't get them first.


I wish it was the sticks. Its morris county NJ, top 10 richest county in america. My 1 BR is $1700 a month and if I go any closer to the center of town the same space is over $2k for 650 sq ft. Houses in the area are 750k+, so no, I haven't researched the buying market very much because I don't see my GF and I saving 50k for a down payment anytime soon.
 

nageov3t

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And you must live in the sticks. A single bedroom apartment in a bad neighborhood around here goes for $1,500.00/mo. If you want a 2 bedroom in a neighborhood where you aren't likely to get shot walking to your car, that's about $2,200.00/mo. MIN.
So, if you have a family of 4 living around LA, then you need about 80k/yr to survive in a 2 bedroom apartment. Good luck.

I have heard of business owners in other states wanting to move to LA proper and buy a decent house comparable to their modest home in their current state. They make an average of 500k/yr and they couldn't afford to move. The houses they wanted (nothing amazing really) were like 5 million and taxes would have murdered them if the thugs didn't get them first.

"good neighborhood" seems subjective.

I could easily find a decent 2-bedroom within 30-45 minutes of NYC for under $1600... not in a building where you're going to have a doorman, private parking garage, or other luxuries, but certainly in a neighborhood with low crime.

I can't imagine LA being that different.
 
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I wish it was the sticks. Its morris county NJ, top 10 richest county in america. My 1 BR is $1700 a month and if I go any closer to the center of town the same space is over $2k for 650 sq ft. Houses in the area are 750k+, so no, I haven't researched the buying market very much because I don't see my GF and I saving 50k for a down payment anytime soon.

You could save that money quicker if there was a convenient way to spend less on rent...
 

purbeast0

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it's funny how there is much difference between some of my really close friends.

1 of them lives at home with his mom now. he is 32. his sister moved out like 2 years ago at age 36. however, his father passed away like 12 years ago and his mom was/is a wreck and is jobless. he also was on his own (well lived in a house with 2 buddies) for years then moved back in when they all ended up going elsewhere. he is kind of in a tough position though because he has to help his mom with bills and shit. but at the same time he has to get the hell out of there. this is a spanish family. i know he stays out at girls houses in the weekend sometimes and has brought some home, but his bedroom is literally next to his moms room ... so yeah, gotta be kind of odd.

my other buddy is 32 and lives at home still and has never lived on his own. not even in college. i'm not sure what kind of money he makes but if i had to guess i'd say like 60-70 thousand. he has a business degree and has a 9-5. i'm also pretty sure that this dude still has his mom make his dinner and do his laundry. his older brother who is 35 also lives there (after moving out and living on his own, not sure why he's back). this is an armenian family. single dude as well and no clue if he brings girls back to his house.

then my other buddy is 33 and lives in a condo that his mom used to own, but he doesn't even pay for it i don't think. like he just stopped paying mortgage on it (or his mom did when she left, i dont even know what is going on nor do i really care to ask). this guy lost his license like 10 years ago and hasn't gotten it back. he works at a restaurant as a server, although he has recently moved up the chain and is starting to help more with management so that is good. this family is from trinidad.

then all of my other friends are out on their own and have their own pad.

i can't fathom my other friends (the 3 up top) purchasing property or anything like that. i can't even really picture them getting married. every weekend it is the same old shit - go to the same bars and get wasted, blah blah blah. i'm just over that time of my life and would prefer to go travel the world. and my wife and i got our first house 2 years ago and are planning to start a family. i also think that some of it might be cultural, which is why i put their background on there too.

so i don't really have anything against the way they choose to live. they are my close friends still and we don't hang out as much as we used to, but we talk on email chains all the time during the work day. different people are just at different stages in their life, and it is none of my business how they choose to live their lives.
 
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moonbogg

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The fact that this is an issue being discussed says a lot about the state of the economy. My dad moved to so cal, got an average job working for the phone company and bought a house. He didn't go to college. He just moved here, got a job and bought a house. You just can't do that anymore. You have to really play your cards right, save your money, lots of education, very high pay is needed etc.
I'm getting by alright for now and we did just buy our first house, but the standard of living for me is well below that of my parents when they bought their first house. I have more education than either of them and a job that used to guarantee a really good living. If I had my job in their time, I'd be doing really well right now but instead I'm doing OK.
However, I have a plan. We will haul ass to pay this house off and/or when value gets high enough, we will rent it out and get the FUCK OUT OF SO CAL. Even a small property in Orange County is a very good long term income investment and can help provide for us while we live in a more affordable state.
 

Childs

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However, I have a plan. We will haul ass to pay this house off and/or when value gets high enough, we will rent it out and get the FUCK OUT OF SO CAL. Even a small property in Orange County is a very good long term income investment and can help provide for us while we live in a more affordable state.

I'm thinking I will have to leave this area in order to buy a house worth buying. I could overpay, but I just don't see paying 750K for a 1200ish sqft 3 bedroom house worth it. Not even in a great neighborhood, just not a bad one. My rent is low so I'll just keep saving, then move out of the area, maybe even the state, and then buy a place. I have coworkers who telecommute, and I do it in the mornings anyways so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Otherwise, find a new job or change careers, since it'll be feasible in a cheaper area.
 

nageov3t

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yep

average income is down ~6% from 14 years ago

cost of living keeps going up

I feel like baby boomer parents also have a different attitude towards it than their parents did... I can't really think of any of my peers who had parents that basically kicked them out on the street once they turned 18, except for a couple people who just had really terrible relationships with their parents.

hell, I moved out at 21 and up until my mid/late 20's, my parents were constantly suggesting that I move back home for a couple years to save money for a house.
 

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yep

average income is down ~6% from 14 years ago

cost of living keeps going up

Student loans are also through the roof. My wife is a pharmacist by trade and the recent grads are coming out with $100-$150k in loans at 6% or more in interest. Some of their payments are upwards of $2,000 a month. Even basic undergrad degrees are clocking in at $50,000 or more in loans.

My wife and I took a paycut for our current jobs, but the upshot is that college for our kids is paid for assuming they stay in network to our employer. By the time my 2 year old is in college, that could very well be a $100,000 or more benefit. It's just crazy how much college costs any more, even for state schools. University of IL was over $20,000 a year for instate tuition & fees for engineering students. That's not even including room and board.
 
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darkewaffle

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I think it's acceptable provided the person in question is, you know, pulling their weight. Just leeching off family forever is shitty. Contributing to the household and saving your cash, etc. is fine by me.
 

moonbogg

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I'm thinking I will have to leave this area in order to buy a house worth buying. I could overpay, but I just don't see paying 750K for a 1200ish sqft 3 bedroom house worth it. Not even in a great neighborhood, just not a bad one. My rent is low so I'll just keep saving, then move out of the area, maybe even the state, and then buy a place. I have coworkers who telecommute, and I do it in the mornings anyways so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Otherwise, find a new job or change careers, since it'll be feasible in a cheaper area.

Yeah, we strongly debated simply leaving rather than over pay for a small home. We stayed for family reasons and other ties we have here, with plans to leave in the not so distant future.
The cost of living is so high here, and so low in other places, that the thought of a long term income from this house was enticing enough to go through with it. Its not a place I want to stay in long term, but can use as a source of income and I feel that with the cost of rent this house can generate a decade from now this could really pay off for us in a major way.
It can enable us to live in a low cost area with very few jobs available. Few jobs means low cost, but we can live there if we have income from the property in California. Seems the best option for us at the moment to steer in that direction.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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The fact that this is an issue being discussed says a lot about the state of the economy. My dad moved to so cal, got an average job working for the phone company and bought a house. He didn't go to college. He just moved here, got a job and bought a house. You just can't do that anymore. You have to really play your cards right, save your money, lots of education, very high pay is needed etc.

My father has said on many occasions that if he grew up in this day and age, he would be a homeless bum.
 

zCypher

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I could be living at home right now but instead I choose to live on my own. I've lived in a variety of different places, with different people / arrangements. I've had to go back home before, but I only stayed for a short time until I found a place of my own. Most people I know who do well are not living with their parents. You have all of the financial considerations to keep in mind, but there's also the life experience aspect which is, I think, even more important.

I matured a lot more once I lived on my own and realized what it was really like. You have a false sense of security when you live at home with your parents. I saw it in siblings too, saw the change once they moved out, it's impossible to miss. I know some people that have stayed at home their whole lives and it really shows. They have zero ambition, they don't do anything with their lives, don't respect their parents, just overall pretty scummy. I know not everyone is like this obviously, but it's absolutely true that having to make it on your own wakes you up to reality and builds character for sure. It's a good thing.

The money side is another story, nobody forces you to pay $2000/mo in rent or buy an expensive house or take on huge debts. These are personal decisions. It's a shame that nobody seems to put much emphasis on personal financial responsibility. I was stupid with my money and made a lot of poor decisions, and it took me a long time to finally get my head out of my ass. But this is why I live in a very small apartment paying very little. I found a place that is within my means and within walking distance to every one of life's necessities and all the amenities one could want. I haven't had to make any compromises (except for it being a smaller space).

People justify their decisions because they "need" that huge place to live, well that's simply not always true. What you need is to make the right decision even if it's not what you want. I'm sorry, but living at home making $120k and buying expensive cars does sound shameful. If he can afford that he has no excuse not to be living on his own and building up his life and setting up his future. Blowing that money on expensive cars isn't going to help him do anything. Not that I personally care, I don't really mind what people do since it's none of my business - but you asked. So the answer is yep, it is shameful. If it was me i would feel shame. My parents already did enough for me, I don't need to take advantage of their kindness on top of what was already done for me.
 

pontifex

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It was never like the bolded.

No one has to live in LA. Hell, I'd love to live in Manalapan, FL; but I can't even afford the taxes on those properties so I live 5 mins west on the other side of the intercoastal.

wait, there's something you CAN'T afford? What did you do with the real Alkemyst?
 

moonbogg

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Zcypher, regarding the price of rent, the choices are limited depending on where you live. If you live in LA and have the audacity to start a family, then you will be paying high cost of rent. Of course, you could "choose" to live in sub standard conditions, and by sub standard I mean studio apartment with 4 people inside.
Fiscal responsibility is a prerequisite of course. It doesn't matter what you make, you can still screw yourself. I made unwise choices as a youth myself. That's why I am buying a smaller house than I would like. But really, my choices were not much different than that of my parents when they were young. The point is that if you want to do well today, you have to make very wise choices from a young age with a clear path forward. The room for error is getting smaller and smaller. The squeeze is on for us average people. The really smart and capable people of course do much better, but I am an average guy talking about the situation that many average people face today.
 

ed21x

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ehh... i care more about whether someone has the means to move out at a certain age rather than whether they actually do. If you are making 120k/year, there is no shame in living at home because you know in your heart that you are capable of supporting yourself if you choose to.
 

BurnItDwn

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If he lives with mom and dad because hes a leeching manchild, then meh, if he pulls his weight and helps mom and dad out, then theres nothing wrong or dishonorable about it.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I am 30 and currently live at home. Its been a combination of terrible work situations, working night shifts so I never see them anyways, saving for a house with new wife, and trying to relocate for a few years that have kept me home.

We finally got a place out of state and the wife got a job easily, but now I'm with the parents to keep working my old job until I find another one.

Its been a blessing and a curse living with them. Its basically put our marriage on hold while under their roof, but it has allowed me to go back to school. It has also allowed us to eliminate a lot of my wife's exorbitant private school student loans ( to be a teacher....).

I at least work on remodeling their house and a bunch of other stuff around their house while living there.
 

Chaotic42

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I learned a long time ago that my ideas of social norms aren't really that normal. I barely made it to 18. My dad moved out of the apartment and I carried it on until I moved to Indiana. I rented a room from my uncle while I got my associate's degree and then I moved back off on my own.

I'd be totally ashamed to move back in with family, but that's me. If it works for them, that's their business.
 

futurefields

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the WW2 generation really saw the pinnacle of middle class life IMO

after WW2 life in America was great for a long time as long as you werent a complete low life idiot loser or with terrible luck

my mom is moving into my apartment in a couple months because she lost her house (husband died a few years ago) does that count as "living at home" ? I'm charging her some rent
 

JackBurton

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ehh... i care more about whether someone has the means to move out at a certain age rather than whether they actually do. If you are making 120k/year, there is no shame in living at home because you know in your heart that you are capable of supporting yourself if you choose to.

Wrong. That screams loser with his priorities out of whack. If you can afford to buy a Mercedes and a new M3, you need to be living on your own. Luxury cars are status symbols basically proclaiming you've made it and are successful. Part of being successful is moving out and creating a life for YOURSELF. Living with your parents completely contradicts that image. You can argue with that all you want, but when you brag that you just bought an M3 and then go on to say you live with your parents, you'll hear the excitement in your audience's response go from excitement to "oh." As in, WTH is wrong with you?

Now, if you were living with your parents and made the same amount, but were just saving, I'd say it's still not good, but at least I could see a point. Luxury cars and living with your parents on the other hand screams issues...and loser.
 
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TridenT

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Some people really get along and love spending time with their families. I'm on the opposite end.

I'm guessing a lot of these people don't get into relationships where the couple moves in together. (Or relationships in general...)

I couldn't move back in with family. It would be the end of me. I rather sleep in my car for months rather than move back in with them.
 

JackBurton

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Some people really get along and love spending time with their families. I'm on the opposite end.

I'm guessing a lot of these people don't get into relationships where the couple moves in together. (Or relationships in general...)

I couldn't move back in with family. It would be the end of me. I rather sleep in my car for months rather than move back in with them.

Listen, I love my parents to death, but the whole goal in life is to give your kids the tools to leave the nest and create their own life. I can understand not leaving because of financial reasons, but if you have the means, GTFO.
 

KlokWyze

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I felt like a loser when I was living w/ my mom @ 23. My GF @ the time required that we move out.... lol. I knew it was the right way forward and frankly, it's worth every penny even though I didn't get paid well until years later.

Unless you are taking care of your parents, e.g., doing it for them, you're punk bitchass momma's boy. The way everything is framed by the OP, it sounds like it's just a way to have an economic advantage to buy toys for himself.

Is said 33yo who lives at home getting laid on the reg? I doubt it. I'd think most chicks would be rather turned off waking up in a guys bed to find out his mama is making him breakfast a few rooms over.

Living on your own shows responsibility and character. Living at home with 3 lux cars shows you're a scared, immature mama's boy.

I read the 1st 4 pages and this was the most succinct response that I agreed with. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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