How the hell could we nuke Japan?!

[Triumph]

Without reading this entire thread to see if it's been touched on, I would just like to say that the Japanese were responsible for severe, SEVERE, war attrocities. They killed untold hundreds of thousands of Chinese peasants for NO REASON. And the Japanese government has never publicly apologized for this, either. We were, and still are, the good guys.

 

[jaydee]

Japan was better off that we dropped the bomb's whether you want to agree with it or not. I've read through about half of these, and haven't seen anyone mention a VERY KEY POINT. Remember what the U.S.S.R did to Germany, coming west? ANNIALATION. Well, they were now going east and with a vengence at that (Russo-Japanese War anyone?) If Japan hadn't surrendered at that time, when the Soviet Union arrived, there would have been nothing left of pretty much anything significant in Japan, and another thing while we're at it, the U.S. policy wouldn't have applied to post-war Japan, we'd have split it with the Soviets (like Germany), and 1/2 of it would have been communist for who knows how long. Isn't that a wonderful thought?

 

[rc5]

Here we go again.

The key point is which side you are standing for.

If you are with the japanese side, okay, good luck for you.
If you are with the US or some asian countries invaded by Japan, you probably want every japanese back in 40's going to hell.

There's no such thing that you could simply knocked down ONLY japanese military power to stop the way. Every civilian, back in WWII, was a potential soldier.

 

[Tiger]

<< dresden is a good comparison, britains only method of fighting back was to use heavy bombers but they choose to bomb civilian targets not military ones. i'm not sure about the deth tolls buit they definelty didnt see the fallout that japan saw. >>


More people were killed in the Dresden bombings than were killed by both A-bombs.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Who says war has to be declared? Who says civilians aren't acceptable targets? War is whatever works, whatever means necessary, I thought we'd established that?

Engine Nr-9:

Using the ultimate weapon ended the war, which was the right thing to do. But your words sound like Osama's mantra.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Killing innocents to start a war is different from killing innocents to end a war.

 

[Spoooon]

I don't want to come off as being overly sensitive, but I think some of you guys are throwing the word "Japs" around pretty loosely. Remember, it is derogatory. Consider it just a step above "beloved patriot."

"Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or descent."

 

[fatbaby]

<< I don't want to come off as being overly sensitive, but I think some of you guys are throwing the word "Japs" around pretty loosely. Remember, it is derogatory. Consider it just a step above "beloved patriot."

"Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or descent." >>



Have you been to any highschool starting from the year 1998? Latest phrase i heard was "that fvcking f*ggot n*gger jew"

Dissing gays, african americans, and jewish people all in one sentence

Oh and my friends japanese language teacher calls them "japs"

I guess maybe "jap" is an abbreviation for japanese

 

[Pacfanweb]

<<I don't want to come off as being overly sensitive, but I think some of you guys are throwing the word "Japs" around pretty loosely. Remember, it is derogatory. Consider it just a step above "beloved patriot.">>

Not in my book. "Japs" is Japanese simply shortened. Calling them "Nips" would probably be more offensive.
Japs is what they were called back then, and when I'm talking about WWII, Japs it is.

How do you think some Americans feel when the rest of the world calls us all "Yanks"....oh wait, it's OK to offend Americans.

 

[Goosemaster]

here is my consciencal rant:




To those of you who detest the use of the bombs:


Your opinions are fine and all...I mean that YOU are entitled to them



BUT...



Remember what happened in vietnam?

Basically WWII would have resembled what happened.....Soldiers had to defend themselves from EVERYONE...civilians and soldiers...scary stuff


WAR is WAR...there is NEVER ANYTHING "Pretty" about it..


Seriously, only, according to a friend, a "dumbass" worries about being "nice " in a war as their priority...getting a quick resolution is number one with protecting your nation. That is a sign of weakness and the otherside will exploit it to the end.
To win a war in the "best" manner is to end it as quickly as possible to prevent as many innocents from becoming casualties... so that wholeharted disscussion or basically communication can occur so that the problem can find a means to an end is good too.

To protest the WWII bombing is plainly waste of time, and frankly, a waste of webspace.

One can compare the atrocities of both sides, but a universal conclusion will never be reached.


Why?

because war is evil. Evil is always evil. THe only way to beat it is to do so in the quickest manner.


Don't tell me Vietnam went well..I will kick your ass if you insult ANY VICTIM...on both sides
Japanese killed MILLIONS of INNOCENTs....the US killed many innocents...

saying some thing like:

A: 4 million vs. B: 300,000 Side a is worse

.....IS PLAIN STUPID...war is war...IT was when the Perisians/Islamics,the Greeks, the Romans, the Russians, the English, the irish the Spanish, the AMericans, the Salvadorians, the GUatemals, the Cubans, the Puerto RIcans, The Asians, the Middle Easterners, the Easterner(India pakistan and

,......basically every war is evil by its nature

NO ONE deserves to die if not by the hand of God .....period. No one is ever right when it comes to killing


Arguing that is a plain waste of time.


M y heart goes out to all those victims in the US(9-11) and the mIddle East right now...




EDIT: I suck at typing

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

What if..... naw I won't dwell on the what if crap............................


They call it history for a reason.... deal with it!

 

[glenn1]

<< The terrorists kill 3000 people in our financial district and we call them animals. What about us? We killed over 100,000 civillians in Japan. >>



Let me make it real simple for you. Yes, we killed over 100,000 civilians, which is terrible. The terrorists killed over 3,000 civilians, which is also terrible. Two small differences though...

(a) We were fighting a declared war with Japan... there was a reason we undertook that particular action. The terrorists were freelancers. They killed for the simple and nihilistic reason that they hated Americans.

(b) We stopped killing people after the Japanese surrendered. We could have kept on killing them until their entire population was wiped out, but we didn't. I doubt the terrorists who committed the acts of 9-11 would extend the same courtesy.

If you cannot grasp (or refuse to grasp) the moral differences between the two, then i doubt that anything else which can be said will ever clarify it for you.

 

[abovewood]

I am glad that we did drop the two bombs.

 

[badluck]

I think it is funny how the person who started this thread hasn't even come back to try and defend their stance on the subject anymore. I guess you had your question answered.....about 75 different ways. heh..

 

The point of dropping the atomic bombs was to save lives. I hope you know about D-day and its invasion, where 90-98% casulties occured on the beachfront during the invasion, and it was also the largest ever known. Now, multiply that by 10 and you have the US invasion of Japan, now take that number of casulties(Number of casulties at normandy x10), and multiply it by another 10, now you have a rough estamite of the number that would have died taking the beach...ALONE. Not to mention the rest of the mainland, where estamates ran into the millions, ON BOTH SIDES. Was using the Nuke bad? Yes. But the alternative was FAR FAR FAR FAR worse.

More than likely, it also saved us from a nuke war with russia later on, as both sides knew what it could bring and the FULL effects it could possibly have on one another.

I'm glad we used it.

 

[XCLAN]

**Xclan slowly crawls outside of this thread to avoid the flames and daggers being thrown in here**

 

[LongCoolMother]

<< Without reading this entire thread to see if it's been touched on, I would just like to say that the Japanese were responsible for severe, SEVERE, war attrocities. They killed untold hundreds of thousands of Chinese peasants for NO REASON. And the Japanese government has never publicly apologized for this, either. We were, and still are, the good guys. >>



for NO REASON

 

[poopaskoopa]

<< Not in my book. "Japs" is Japanese simply shortened. Calling them "Nips" would probably be more offensive.
Japs is what they were called back then, and when I'm talking about WWII, Japs it is.

How do you think some Americans feel when the rest of the world calls us all "Yanks"....oh wait, it's OK to offend Americans. >>


What in the world? So if you're talking about black people back then, then...
Your book sucks. Period. I don't care about being PC, but I'm just gonna tell you that your book plain sucks, and it's ill-researched(hence the Nips reference).
And how many Japanese people you know/faced have called you a Yank(your answer here changes nothing to me, btw). Or did you throw in that last line because you've been referred to as such by someone other than Japanese?

 

[Chaotic42]

<<
Correct me If I am wrong, but I beleive the US had 5 bombs, and 5 targets. Tokyo was next if they didn't surrender, along with 2 more after that. Again, correct me if I am wrong. >>



At the time, we just had the two. We had three, and tested one in New Mexico. I don't know why our government would test so close to citizens, but that's another thread.

I would speculate that the bombs were dropped as a show of power and because of the cost of invading Japan, in human lives. Maybe they just wanted to hit closer to home, to scare the common people. Joe Japan wouldn't know that we bombed an island, so he wouldn't be scared. I don't claim to speak for the decision makers.

It should be noted that the thread originator is addressing an audience born 40 years after the event as if they committed the act. That's as backwards as me accusing you of oppressing Irish railroad workers, or blaming a German schoolkid for the holocost.

This is why war is the last resort.

Edit: My dad knew the dude who actually "pulled the trigger" for the first bomb. He says the guy went mad after realizing the destruction he caused.

Edit 2: Changed Nevada to New Mexico

 

[Mookow]

*looks at all the idiots that have come into this thread, spewed some FUD, then ran like a dog with its tail between its legs*

<Nelson> HA-HA </Nelson>

Come'on, lets see some more FUD to be debunked. Because you dont have any facts to back your little revisionist butts with.

 

[HOWITIS]

looks like some people do not realize that we killed more peeps bombing japan normaly than with the two atom bombs.

 

[Chooco]

when US dropped the bombs on Japan, they already knew the war was over and they had won. the bombs were just a "screw you" for the surprise attack on Perl Harbor and the kamikazi bombs.

take 2 instances.
1. a guy says "fight me in the playground after school" and so you do and you beat him up, that's that and you can leave.
2. you are walking through the playground and suddenly some kid jumps you and starts beatin the crap out of you, you kick his butt and for a pay back you kick him when he's down until he passes out then you urinate on him when nobody is looking (ok that is a bit too far)

 

[Chaotic42]

<< *looks at all the idiots that have come into this thread, spewed some FUD, then ran like a dog with its tail between its legs*

<Nelson> HA-HA </Nelson>

Come'on, lets see some more FUD to be debunked. Because you dont have any facts to back your little revisionist butts but with. >>



To whom are you referring?

 

[Mookow]

<< when US dropped the bombs on Japan, they already knew the war was over and they had won. the bombs were just a "screw you" for the surprise attack on Perl Harbor and the kamikazi bombs.

take 2 instances.
1. a guy says "fight me in the playground after school" and so you do and you beat him up, that's that and you can leave.
2. you are walking through the playground and suddenly some kid jumps you and starts beatin the crap out of you, you kick his butt and for a pay back you kick him when he's down until he passes out then you urinate on him when nobody is looking (ok that is a bit too far) >>



Your response would be valid if the Japanese had surrendered before we dropped the bombs. It took us saying "We will bomb you into fscking one celled organisisms" AND backing that up (as far as they knew, they didnt know we had no more nukes) to get them to give up.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

<< The japanese had it coming to them for all the pain and suffering they caused under the Japanese colonialism of East Asia. >>



That's what Al Qaida says about 9/11...